CR4 - The Engineer's Place for News and Discussion®


Animal Science

The Animal Science Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about scientific and technological topics related to pets, livestock, and other animals. See how cutting-edge advances help - or hinder - species around the world. SavvyExacta is a lifelong animal enthusiast with more than 20 years of experience with horses. Freckles (an English setter) is a frequent topic on the blog. Other CR4 bloggers occasionally add great posts.

Previous in Blog: Animal Expenditures: Routine to Futuristic   Next in Blog: Why Do Flamingos Stand on One Leg?
Close

Comments Format:






Close

Subscribe to Discussion:

CR4 allows you to "subscribe" to a discussion
so that you can be notified of new comments to
the discussion via email.

Close

Rating Vote:







17 comments

Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

Posted September 23, 2009 12:01 AM by SavvyExacta

Recent images of unidentifiable creatures, such as the "Montauk Monster," have appeared frequently in the news, making people wonder what else could be out there that we have not discovered. Are these creatures "monsters," or could it be that the ocean simply disfigures familiar animals by the repeated pummeling of the waves so that we don't recognize them anymore? Here are some of the "animals" that have been seen lately:

1. The Montauk Monster appeared when its body washed on shore near Montauk, N.Y. in July 2008. Because of the extended period of time it spent in the water, exact identification was impossible. Some theories suggested it could be a sea turtle, sheep, raccoon, or dog. X-rays suggested it could be a water rat or Boxer.

2. A second Montauk Monster washed up on Long Island, N.Y. in May 2009. It too looked like some type of raccoon or rodent. The swine flu (H1N1) epidemic was in the news at the time and there were rumors that the carcass was carrying the disease.

3. A third Montauk Monster, although not found in N.Y. but in Panama, washed up in September 2009. This one was supposedly beaten to death by some local children and then thrown into the water. The carcass was later retrieved for photographs, which showed that it did not appear to bear much resemblance to the N.Y. Montauk monsters – as it was hairless. (How a hairless animal could have been alive in the water, only to be beaten to death is another mystery to me.) Speculators think the animal could be a sloth, dog, film prop, or marketing stunt.

4. The theorized Beast of Exmoor washed up on North Devon, United Kingdom's shores in January 2009. The carcass was five feet long with fangs and a bit of a tail. The fabled Beast of Exmoor was said to have looked like a puma and to have killed 100 sheep in 1983. It was never found after an extensive search, but many people believe the creature that washed up on shore could be it.

5. A goat/baboon was found in Chile in February 2009 by some hikers. Hair, wool, hooves, and fins? Sounds like an interesting combination to me…

A common theme between many of these "discoveries" is that the carcass often disappears before it can be tested or examined by scientists. In addition, much of the information available is on websites with credibility equal to those that catalog Big Foot sightings.

What do you think about these creatures? Do you know of any others?

Resources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_monster

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520044,00.html

http://www.montauk-monster.com/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/panama/6201333/New-Montauk-Monster-spotted-in-Panama.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1109174/Is-Beast-Exmoor-Body-mystery-animal-washes-beach.html

http://www.ghosttheory.com/2009/02/14/mysterious-creatures-carcass-found-on-chilean-shore

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Near Delaware Water Gap
Posts: 1208
Good Answers: 71
#1

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/23/2009 12:48 AM

Do you remember when an unidentified beastie turned up in Maine a few years ago? It caused quite a stir until DNA testing confirmed it to be a dog, although what breed or mix was not determined.

Some people will believe what they want anyway, even in the face of cold, hard facts. I'm sure there are still people who think that the Montauk Monster is a discard from the nearby Plum Island Animal Disease Center, that dinosaurs and humans cavorted together, and that our planet is supported by a rather large turtle.

Fun topic--can't wait to see what else turns up!

Reply
Guru
United States - Member - Lifelong New Yorker Popular Science - Biology - Animal Science Technical Fields - Technical Writing - Technical Writer CR4 Admins - CR4 Admin - CR4 Admin

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 1907
Good Answers: 39
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/23/2009 7:12 AM

Werewolf? Tasmanian devil? How funny! It looks like a dog with overgrown toenails or perhaps an extra dewclaw. That's our society today - looking for the sensational - especially if it gains some time in the spotlight or a dollar.

Reply
Anonymous Poster
#3

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/23/2009 7:26 PM

when I was off the coast of Victoria (AUS) I saw a weird object swimming in the water and when i did some research on the appearance on the animal and it looked very similar to the Liopleurodon. Can u tell me if u have heard or seen any animal like this please tell me.

Reply
Anonymous Poster
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/23/2009 7:29 PM

My Email Is Karl_destruction@hotmail.com please email me if u have seen anything like it.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Near Delaware Water Gap
Posts: 1208
Good Answers: 71
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/23/2009 7:50 PM

My guess is you probably saw a saltwater croc.

Then again, if you saw this

I'd lay off the adult beverages before taking to the water.

(Also, please don't post your email address here. It can lead to all sorts of unwanted things coming your way. It's best to register with CR4; you'll be alerted, privately, if answers to any of your queries are posted here. And if you join, you can play on our lawn).

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Environmental Engineering - New Member APIX Pilot Plant Design Project - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Anywhere Emperor Palpatine assigns me
Posts: 2782
Good Answers: 101
#14
In reply to #3

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 11:49 PM

Maybe you saw my pet T. Rex Godzilla swimming. I take him out for a dip in the sea every now and then because he really likes it .

__________________
If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of the Force
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 3894
Good Answers: 144
#15
In reply to #14

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/25/2009 6:05 AM

Naw, that was my X-wife whose nickname I gave her as "T-Rex" during our protracted 5 year divorce........and swimming alongside good 'ole T-Rex was my X-Mother-F**ker-In-Law "Dragon Lady". LMAO

One may ask why use the nick "T-Rex"???? My answer is simple: "Once she gets her teeth into you she doesn't let go!!!!"

Seriously, yes I've heard that the mountains surrounding Lake George have been harbouring Big Foot for some time and that there's been plenty of sightings, some of which even go back to the earliest Dutch and English settlers, not to mention sightings by Mohawks and Algonquin tribes. BTW, the Village of Whitehall where a lot of the more recent and consistent sightings have occurred is only a stone's throw away from the northern tip of Lake George.

And yes, then there's Champ over in Lake Champlain. I had a college roommate who hailed from Whitehall and he swore he'd seen Champ on at least 4 different occasions. He really believed that it is real. I've seen plenty of videotape of the critter, both on TV and on the WWW to make me a believer too. That lake is very long and plenty deep for anything to hide there!!!! If I'm not mistaken, some locations in the lake are over 800 feet deep.....ummmm closer to 900 feet actually. And one must not forget that the northern end of the lake is a short distance to St. Lawrence River. I don't know if a river ever existed between the two, but if there had been it could have once been a way for the monster(s) to ingress and egress Lake Champlain many millennia ago. Just a thought...

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 3894
Good Answers: 144
#16
In reply to #15

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/30/2009 3:12 PM

Hello All,

He's an update for those who may be interested in things that go bang in the night and BIGFOOT.

Tonight there is a repeat airing of MonsterQuest regarding the Bigfoot sightings around Whitehall, New York. The Village of Whitehall is located at the southern end of Lake Champlaign in some pretty remote and rugged terrain. It's also a stone's throw to the northern outlet, and extent, of Lake George which has had it's own sightings.

The Monsterquest show airs on the History Channel tonight at 8:00 PM ET, and again at 11:00 PM ET. Be there!!! I know that I will be!!!

Goo'day mates!

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 3894
Good Answers: 144
#6

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 10:11 AM

Hello All,

I'm a great fan of the cable TV show "MonsterQuest". One of the episodes was primarily dealing with the "Jersey Devil", but the show did have a short segment about the "Montauk Monster". Apparently someone who had been walking along the beach discovered the washed up carcas. this person also took a series of very high quality close up photographs with their cell phone camera. After some experts (I believe a Vet, amongst others) had viewed the pics it was determined to have been a Bulldog that probably had drowned in the ocean and then had gotten washed up onto shore. Most of the snout and facial tissue was missing leaving exposed bone and cartlidge of the skull. Of course it looked like a monster in that gruesome state, but DUUUHHHH!!!!

Back in 10th grade high school Biology class we disected a small dog starting at the head. After removal of the skin, snout and muscle that dog looked just like the "Montauk Monster"!!!!!

This monster myth I don't mind debunking because it is so obvious!!!!!!

Now, the existance of Big Foot on the other hand I think is real. As a younger man I used to belong to the ADK here in New York and was an advid mountain hiker/climber where I thoroughly enjoyed scaling our gorgeous Adirondack and Catskill Mountains. I was also an advid hunter and have amassed a pretty thorough knowledge of our wildlife in this state and throughout New England. One night in particular, a fellow hiker (and long time friend) and I were sitting around our campfire after dinner just talking about things when all of a sudden we heard this God awful primal screaming. It was very close by! In no time flat both of us had dived into the tent and zippered it......yeah right, like that would stop a 8 or 9 foot tall 800 pound primate from attacking us!!!! NO WAY!!! That's why we both locked and loaded our respective 45's which we only carried with us as defense against bears. Of course nothing happened again for a few more hours until something began pelting our tent with stones and pebbles for at least a half hour....tore the crap out of the waterproof nylon too. My buddy and I decided to take matters into our hands and then each of us then fired off a few ACP rounds. That seemed to have scared it away because we weren't bother again that night.

I want to add that I know what the aniamls in this state sound like, and this was not like anything I've ever heard before in my life except once and that was when I was a US Army Ranger on manuveurs at Fort Lewis Washington. Many of us had heard that screaming and were told by the Top that it was Bigfoot and is heard quite often in the wilds were we were located. Well, in my mind this scream was so dang close totheone I heard while in the Army there's no doubt in my mind that we heard Big Foot in the Adirondack High Peaks region!!!! Besides, bears bobcats and coyotes and whatnot don't throw stones and pebbles!!!!! Chimps, great apes and other primates do!

Since then I've seen on MonsterQuest that there have been many Sasquatch sightings around the Whitehall, NY area and also have read that there havebeen many sightnings along the Taconic Hills here that parallel the Hudson River. It's been /theorized that they migrate along this corridor during the spring and fall months following the available foods; from the wilds of northern NJ into the north country of NYS. Lord knows that there is plenty here to eat what with all the apple orchards, cornfields and other crops, not to mention all the berry farms as well as all of wild berries and nuts. I alos believe we have the highest concentration of Whitetail Deer in the state too....and as a result, the highest incidence of Lyme Disease as well! It is speculated too that the Sasquatch will hunt deer when they are abundant and other foodstuff are dwindling. The forests here are pretty much like the Adirondacks is a sense: almost forever wild and almost uninterrupted from Weschester County all the way up into the Berkshire Mountains of MA and the Green Mountains of VT. Plenty of food and dense forest for them to hide in....

You may think I'm nutz for believing they exist, even here in upstate NY, but once you have heard that God Awful primal scream you'll become a believer just like I have!

Just chimming in with my 2 Cents worth!!!!

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Aerospace Engineering - Member United States - Member - Army Vet in the aviation industry

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bridgewater, Va.
Posts: 1428
Good Answers: 71
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 10:28 AM

"God awful primal screaming" to me means Fisher Cat. First time I heard one of those at a camp in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont I had to go clean my skivies out.

I don't think they can throw pebbles, though.

Hooker

Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Near Delaware Water Gap
Posts: 1208
Good Answers: 71
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 10:34 AM

Hello CaptMoosie,

I hope this screaming creature stops at the state line. Am not aware of any sightings reported in the Poconos as of yet. Nocturnal shrieks of the type you describe are often attributed to foxes, but as you pointed out, they don't throw things.

Every state or region seems to have its Mysterious Monster. When I lived in Louisiana, there were always tales of swamp devils. NJ has its Jersey Devil. Why doesn't Pennsylvania have one? Can I nominate a politician? (best not to do that here, I suppose...)

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 3894
Good Answers: 144
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 11:27 AM

Hello Hooker and Sue:

This was no Fisher Cat. I know what they sound like. Ditto with foxes, whether they're Red or Silver Grays. This thing sounded like a mix between a Great Ape and a human.....and believe me, I had to change my skivvies afterwards in the early morning after first light, as did my friend!!!!

I have to admit that there was way too much campfire coffee was consumed before the event!!! ***GRINZZZZ***.

Sue, if you Google Map of Bigfoot (or Sasquatch) sightings in the USA you'll see that there is quite a few sightings of the creature in PA, and yes, there are some in your neck of the woods too in NE PA, especially along the Delaware Water Gap. Ditto along the breathe of the Southern Tier of NYS, particularly in the corn/dairy belt areas.....many many large farms and adjoining forested areas throughout, some managed by the State of New York.

If you look at the map, it's surprising how many sightings are across the entire US, especially in areas where there are forests and abundant rainfall that'll support crops and wildly-growing foods....nearly ever sate has Sasquatch sightings. Some more than others.

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Near Delaware Water Gap
Posts: 1208
Good Answers: 71
#10
In reply to #9

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 12:01 PM

There's a Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society! Who knew?!

And they list a 1980 sighting for my county:

"Two young boys were walking in the woods and discovered a large human like footprint in a mud puddle. They heard something moving fast through the woods. They then saw a large creature with red eyes looking at them. It screamed and the boys ran off."

Not to make too light of this, but that could have been one of my poker buddies.

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Aerospace Engineering - Member United States - Member - Army Vet in the aviation industry

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bridgewater, Va.
Posts: 1428
Good Answers: 71
#11
In reply to #9

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 1:04 PM

Hey Capt,

Didn't mean to make it sound like I doubted you. Your description just made my one remaining brain cell fire off with the memory of the Fisher Cat scream I heard.

After checking out the sightings websites I'm surprised there haven't been any reports here along the Shenandoah National Park.

Hooker

Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Hobbies - Target Shooting - New Member Engineering Fields - Civil Engineering - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Red Hook, New York (Mid-Hudson River Valley)
Posts: 3894
Good Answers: 144
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 2:04 PM

Hey Hooker,

Sorry to hear about that lone remaining brain cell guy! LOL Good one!!! LOL

It's a poosibility that there's too many humans visiting the National Park??? From what I've read and seen on TV, the Sasquatch tend to gravitate towards remote areas seldom frequented by human beings. These creatures seem to me not to want to be seen or found, making me believe that they're smarter than the average primates we're used to seeing like chimps and the great apes.......possibly almost as smart as we humans? Who knows untl they finally snag one alive. Everything they have een observed doing when sighted tends to give credience to this thread of thought. Possibly they're somehow related to humans?? Missing link of sorts???

I'm part Mohawk, and have some relatives that have more Native American blood in them than I do who swear to God these creatures do exist and have existed here long before they established themselves across the continent. Of course they won't go hunting one down for fear of it ending up hunting them down! Their history, past down verbally from generation to the next, somewhat hints that you leave Bigfoot alone or else it'll come visiting you sometime....evil spirits and all. Well, that's my interpetation of it....probably not as good as theiers in their Native language. Anyhow, by tracking one down (if you only could), then you'd probably need a borrow a US Army issue 50 cal. sniper rifle to take one or stop it in it's tracks. It's one mighty big critter afterall, and I bet much meaner than a charging Bull Elephant if cornered or wounded!!!! ***YIKKEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!***

__________________
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"; hendiatris attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, 47 B.C.
Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Tech Valley, NY
Posts: 4393
Good Answers: 15
#13

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

09/24/2009 3:32 PM

I love "monster" stories and I've been enjoying the stories from other commenters.

I've heard people swear by two monsters: Big Foot in the Adirondacks and "Champ" in Lake Champlain.

For a (too brief) stint, I lived near Lake George. One day, the people I was staying with took me to the Top of the World, a golf course on the outskirts of the village. While I was enjoying the incredible view of the lake, I was also told that the woods surrounding the area were home to a Bigfoot. They shared accounts of campers who'd seen the creature, but I, unfortunately (or fortunately?) didn't see anything. It made for an exciting trip down the mountain though!

Not far away in Lake Champlain, there is said to be a lake-dwelling monster named Champ(y). Although it hasn't been confirmed, wikipedia claims that there have been over 300 sightings of Champ - and you-tube search of it brings up a lot of "video proof". If Champ exists, he is said to likely be related to the Plesiosaur.

__________________
Sharkles
Reply
Participant

Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1
#17

Re: Unidentified Animals or Monsters?

07/21/2010 9:29 PM

what few discuss yet is widely recorded for thousands of years, is the fact that men have had sex with many forms of animals. And yes it is possible to create in such unions! I have heard eye witness accounts of expieriments done to prisoners in german camps . One woman watched as a cesarean was done without anethstsia to deliver deformed creatures that only lived les than two minutes. I suspect that many surviving mutants account for sightings of human-like creatures. When sexual hormones run ramped, the logic part of the brain malfunctions. Then shame barries the memory.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Reply to Blog Entry 17 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (2); CaptMoosie (5); DVader1000 (1); Hooker (2); onlygram (1); SavvyExacta (1); Sharkles (1); sue (4)

Previous in Blog: Animal Expenditures: Routine to Futuristic   Next in Blog: Why Do Flamingos Stand on One Leg?

Advertisement