Login | Register


Engineering News

Latest news of interest to engineers. Sourced from GlobalSpec's Engineering News

Previous in Blog: Best Drift Ever? Reverse-entry slide has JDM judges all aflutter   Next in Blog: NASA's Ares rocket set for test flight
Close

Comments Format:






Close

Subscribe to Discussion:

CR4 allows you to "subscribe" to a discussion
so that you can be notified of new comments to
the discussion via email.

Close

Rating Vote:







11 comments

Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

Posted October 27, 2009 11:39 AM

From CNET News.com:

Perhaps you might be one of those who believes that there should be a very remote and unremitting island, somewhere in the Northern Baltic Sea, reserved for all those who act in an utterly inconsiderate manner. You know these people well: those who sneeze and don't cover their mouths; those who come to your house for dinner and don't bring a bottle or a smile; and those, at least for members of the rescue services, who have bought a personal locator beacon. According the the Associated Press, as these beacons have become cheaper, there appear to have been more cases of people setting them off to alert rescue helicopters of imminent disaster. Imminent disaster such as post-thunderstorm stress disorder or rather salty water drinking syndrome. You may think this cannot be true. But here is a story the AP offers from the National Park Service in Arizona. A few dads took their sons for a hike somewhere around the Grand Canyon. They ran out of water, so they activated their beacon. Soon, rescuers found the party. Oh, what joy they experienced to discover that the dads and boys had found a stream. Help was not needed after all. However, they set their beacon off again a few hours later. Had a dad been devoured by a Bigfoot? Had a son become lunch for a bear? No, the hiking half-formed were worried that they might soon suffer dehydration because the water they had found tasted salty. Which was a shame, as the rescue services were so concerned that they sent out a helicopter that was rather well equipped with night vision capabilities. Your throat may temporarily cease to function when I tell you that this experience did not deter the fathers and sons from having faith in their beacon. The next day, they set it off again. Which caused the authorities to have them removed and cited for being utter and total morons who should never be allowed near the ACG section of Niketown ever again. I'm sorry, that might not be quite accurate. The actual words were "creating a hazardous condition." This might be an extreme incident. However, someone did once activate their beacon when they were frightened by a thunderstorm, the type of event that caused the top man at the California Search and Rescue operations to create a rather fine name for these personal locator beacons: Yuppie 911. Matt Scharper, who co-ordinates rescue efforts in California, told the AP: "With the Yuppie 911, you send a message to a satellite and the government pulls your butt out of something you shouldn't have been in in the first place." The people who risk their lives by flying helicopters and allowing themselves to sometimes get far too close to people with the mind and body odor of a desperate rodent, think that inexperienced hikers are buying these beacons--they can be had for as little as $129.99--in the belief that they can negotiate terrain that is far beyond their minds and bodies. But what can you do? How do you know that a piece of technology is in the hands of a decent citizen or an utter offal-muncher? Surely some brilliant engineer might solve this conundrum. Otherwise, let's vote for a two-strike rule and it's off to the northern Baltic with you. Sans personal locator beacon.

Read the whole article


Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
5
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4397
Good Answers: 79
#1

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/27/2009 12:32 PM

How's about this:

1) Personal Locator Beacons (PLBs) must be registered and their serial numbers recorded.

2) When activated by the user, the beacon transmits the serial number along with the geographic location.

3) A frivolous activation results in a fine. If the activation was accidental, the user receives a warning.

4) A subsequent frivolous activation results in a hefty fine whether the activation was accidental or not.

5) Third strike and you're out: Yuppie 911 bears the full cost of the rescue mission and any and all ancillary costs. Yuppie 911 receives a very hefty fine and Yuppie 911's PLB is confiscated.

6) If the rescue mission to save Yuppie 911's sorry ass results in someone else not getting rescued in time to prevent their injury or death, then Yuppie 911 faces criminal charges and jail time.

__________________
Where is Antitheism when it hurts?
Good Answer (Score 5)
Power-User

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 227
Good Answers: 3
#4
In reply to #1

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/27/2009 7:57 PM

If the "hefty" fine in your #4 is more than the $129 cost of a new unit then the smarter fools would simply buy a new unit and re-register after each use.

The simple fix is a flat service fee for each use, regardless if the use is warranted or not. Even a small $50 charge to "pull the trigger" would have most fools thinking twice. The billing would be automatic to a credit card, provided at point of purchase.

Combine this with a "one and done" feature. Rendering the unit useless after first activation would also deter false alarms. Once activated the unit alarms until rescuers de-activate or batteries die. Either way if activating the unit renders it unusable then the user will hesitate to ativate until truly needed.

As far as the characters in the grand canyon, I blame the rescuers. If you fly out to rescue people who activated their beacon, then you pick them up! You do not leave them there. An ambulance never leaves a scene without at least 1 patient in tow!

Guru

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4397
Good Answers: 79
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/27/2009 10:51 PM

"...the smarter fools would simply buy a new unit and re-register after each use."

Provided they registered under a different ID each time. Seems like a lot of work and expense just to be stupid, although stupid people often work very, very hard at being as stupid as humanly possible and almost always succeed at it.

#4 attempts to address what would probably be the more common situation; one where Dumb & Sons are simply too far from civilization (and the nearest mall) to try that ruse...

They ran out of water, so they activated their beacon.....the dads and boys had found a stream.....However, they set their beacon off again a few hours later......the hiking half-formed were worried that they might soon suffer dehydration because the water they had found tasted salty....The next day, they set it off again.

__________________
Where is Antitheism when it hurts?
Guest
#11
In reply to #4

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

11/02/2009 10:42 AM

The only true / guaranteed resolution is government regulation.

A 10% surcharge on each purchase ("Yuppie 911 PLBs") together with another 5% tax on tobacco products (hey, cigarettes cause lots of fires to be started out in those hikable boonies) would fund the Bureau of Hiker Comfort ... we dare not refer to it as what it really is, now, do we!

Once it is formed and entrenched into society, any "bugs" can get worked-out by simply forcing increases in the cost of the units (10% of higher price = more$), OR ... better yet ... by making it mandatory that after a certain date, anyone leaving their house must have one of these gadgets with them (increased sales = "you know...").

Think of the jobs that will be created! 1600 PA Ave, feel free to implement!

Off Topic (Score 5)
Power-User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 118
Good Answers: 3
#7
In reply to #1

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/28/2009 1:04 PM

add; collect a generous deposit (say the cost of a rescue mission) along with the registration. Collect this deposit when a rescue mission is dispatached.

__________________
This moment is as it should be.
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - bwire Hobbies - Car Customizing - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Upper Mid-west USA
Posts: 5517
Good Answers: 53
#8
In reply to #1

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/31/2009 8:43 PM

The first frivolous event get in helo check them for injury's fly about two miles give a bottle of water and map to get to where they were and don't respond to their signals for 72 hours.

__________________
"In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that no longer exists."Eric Hoffer"
Guru

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4397
Good Answers: 79
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/31/2009 8:56 PM

Now, does the helicopter actually touch down between the words "miles" and "give" or are Dumb & Sons simply pushed out the helo's door at that instant?

__________________
Where is Antitheism when it hurts?
Off Topic (Score 5)
Lead Editor
United States - Member - New Member Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Popular Science - Paleontology - New Member Hobbies - Musician - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 1918
Good Answers: 31
#2

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/27/2009 2:52 PM

Fine them for negligence and misuse of rescue resources as they do in Vermont.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/nation/ap/51052187.html

Associate

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Alabama
Posts: 34
Good Answers: 4
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/27/2009 4:02 PM

It would seem that the laws concerning the proper use of personal rescue beacons could follow the current laws for dialing 911. I'm surprised the rescuers didn't have some legal authorities escorting them on the missions similar to EMT's and police work 911 calls. We all know that a bogus 911 call will get you fines and charges that can be misdemeaners or even felonies in Federal parks .

Power-User

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Burnt Ranch, California
Posts: 210
Good Answers: 5
#6

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

10/28/2009 11:54 AM

Just like when you call an ambulance, make them pay for the full cost of their rescue, needed or not.

__________________
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” -Mark Twain
Associate

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 49
Good Answers: 2
#10

Re: Technology that makes rescuers want to lock up hikers

11/01/2009 6:01 AM

Make them pay for the rescue attempt and that would greatly reduce the amount of calls.

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools!" Douglas Adams 1952-2001.

Score 1 for Good Answer
11 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

bwire (1), Chris Leonard (1), Dr Tom (1), europium (3), Guest (1), lighthasmass (1), Mevel123 (1), PAPADOC (1), szwasta (1)

Previous in Blog: Best Drift Ever? Reverse-entry slide has JDM judges all aflutter   Next in Blog: NASA's Ares rocket set for test flight
You might be interested in: PIN Diodes, Specialty Personal Protective Equipment, Diodes, All Types