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Is Windows 7 Really Just Vista 2.0?

Posted November 03, 2009 12:00 AM by Kaplin

I've been running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Ultimate for just over 3 months now, since the RTM build was sent to manufacturing. From other reviews and write-ups that I've read, critics' praise for Windows 7 seems to be as high as their disdain for its predecessor, Windows Vista.

Windows Vista 2.0?
The odd thing about the great disparity in reviews for the two operating systems is that their similarities greatly outweigh their differences. For all intents and purposes, Windows 7 could be called Windows Vista 2.0. In many cases, a casual user might not even be able to differentiate whether a PC is running Windows 7 or Vista at first glance. Because of this, Vista users will have no trouble adapting to Windows 7. For those of you still running Windows XP, however, you might have a steeper learning curve for adapting to the new operating system.

Upgrading from Vista or XP
Users who upgrade from Windows Vista won't have any trouble; however, if you're upgrading from XP, you might want to consider a fresh install after backing up and wiping your hard disc.

The main reason critics seem to approve of Windows 7 is that Microsoft's new operating system does fix a lot of Vista's flaws and adds some really cool new features, too. Recently, ETOB posted some of his favorite features in Windows 7. Here are some of mine.

Improved Search
With the improved search capabilities in Windows 7, you simply have to click the start button and begin typing. It can be the name of a program, file, picture, favorite website, or even text within a document. You no longer have to browse through the start menu looking for a seldom-used program, or a directory of folders for that picture of Cousin Jimbo.

Every folder also has a new search box in the upper-right corner with the same functionality. Windows will give preference to results relevant to the folder you're searching from. If you don't see what you're looking for right away, there's a link to a complete search results page.

Smart Taskbar
The new taskbar for Windows 7 is much improved as well. You now have the option for a slightly wider taskbar showing larger icons without the text next to them. Similar programs are still grouped together, but you can now hover over the icon for the program group and a preview of each window will pop up, enabling you to select the one you're looking for much more quickly. (These thumbnails will even display live video running inside a webpage or application.)

The quick launch taskbar has been removed, but you now have the ability to pin your favorite programs to the taskbar, which adds a permanent shortcut to that program. The show desktop button has now become a small area on the right of the bar which you can hover over to turn all programs into transparent outlines, or click to minimize all windows.

Upgraded Media Center
Microsoft has been touting the benefits of its Media Center software for years. It provides the ability to replace your DVR by recording television shows directly to your computer's hard drive and streaming the videos wirelessly throughout your house. Microsoft has also added a Netflix Watch Instantly button to the Movies section of Windows Media Center, enabling streaming from your Netflix account without a browser.

Microsoft Media Foundation
A new backend framework called Microsoft Media Foundation is supposed to be a replacement for the aging DirectShow framework. Although DirectShow is still implemented in Windows 7, the addition of the Media Foundation enables developers to take advantage of a brand new suite of tools.

Windows 7 has only been out for a few weeks, but DivX has released a tech preview of their latest software, which enables MKV support in Media Center. As I posted previously, the fact that MKV files were incompatible with Media Center was a deal breaker for me and forced me to use a Popcorn Hour for video streaming instead of my Xbox 360.

MultiTouch
Although you may not have the hardware to take advantage of it yet, Microsoft has implemented a new MultiTouch control scheme for users who have a MultiTouch Touchscreen Monitor. Touchscreen monitors are just starting to hit mainstream computing, but prices are falling rapidly and they will be common in many households in a few years time.

Have you tried out Windows 7 yet?
Are you planning to upgrade or happy with your current platform?

More Info:
A Clutterbug's Guide to Staying Organized in Windows 7
How to Prep for an XP-to-Windows 7 Upgrade
DivX Plus Tech Preview: MKV on Windows 7


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Re: Is Windows 7 Really Just Vista 2.0?

11/03/2009 8:43 AM

On nearly every benchmark I've run XP64 beats out Win7.

Win7 does handle network connectivity better than XP. Media Center still sucks.

I've also noticed that over the past month, without adding any new software , boot times are getting longer. It started at 23secs and is now over a minute. This on a 4GHz/4GB/4TB/RAID0 system.

7 is pretty but I won't be using it day-to-day until SP1. XP does what I need for now.

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11/03/2009 3:49 PM

Thanks for the real world information that doesnt come from a paid writer. I always worry that the writer was thinking of his next paycheck more than the content of his writing.

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11/03/2009 6:06 PM

To be fair, I'm an engineer at Globalspec and a moderator of CR4, so in a sense I get paid too. We (Kaplin & I) just have different opinions is all.

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11/03/2009 11:10 PM

How much slack space is available in that 4TB/RAID0?

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11/04/2009 9:07 AM

Only 600GB is RAID0 (2xVelociraptors). I gave Win7 50GB to play in and it's using about half that with only a few programs installed.

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11/04/2009 9:59 AM

Your comments on boot times hit home. What I would really like is something like my Palm OS that boots instantly! Linux has the same issues with boot times...

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11/03/2009 10:42 PM

In many ways 7 is a step backwards for me. For example in XP if I want to know what speed the CPU is running at and how much RAM is recognized by the OS it's : start>settings>control panel and the info is there in 3 clicks.

With 7 I just get some arbitrary and useless 'performance index' rated from 1.0 to 7.9

Anyone know how to get CPU speed and RAM available in 7?

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11/03/2009 11:12 PM

Right click computer and select properties

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11/04/2009 1:22 AM

I just got my copy of Win7 Ultimate today in the mail and if it's anything like Vista(and i'm preping for install), i'm sure that the same short cut will work for this. XP has a fabulous tool that for some reason, developers decided to hide away in Vista... The "Task Manager" has a performance tab (one of many) which maps out your current usage in real time from the moment the tab is opened... ALT+CNTL+DEL should get you there (if it's the same as Vista) and there should be an option "Start Task Manager"... if not, then you may be able to find it with this improved search that i've read about. I'll check back in a couple days and see if that was helpful or not, if not, then i'll most likely have a better answer for you at that time.

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11/04/2009 7:55 AM

This is what I'm talking about when I said there was a steeper learning curve for users of XP than users of Vista. Most of the settings are in the same place they were for Vista but will be hard to find for XP users.

I definitely had to google a few things that I couldn't find but once I found them the first time, it was easy after that.

And although it is true that I'm paid to write this blog, It is not by Microsoft or any company who has a vested interest on the content of my review.

As stevem pointed out, a lot of the network connectivity features are part of the reason I like Windows 7. As you can tell from some of my older blogs I'm big on media streaming and although I don't really use the Media Center on my PC, it is accessed through other devices to play content on my PC.

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11/04/2009 3:18 PM

I found that Vista would automatically function and fulfil tasks instead of the methodical process of manual settings required when using XP, even this low level of intuitiveness is much appreciated.

For this reason I will progress with win7 and take advantage of advanced electronics though one must realize one must use advanced electronics to grasp these advantages.

Machines designed for use of older operating systems may only just get by.

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11/05/2009 10:05 AM

Looks pretty cool but my Wife just ordered me the new Popcorn Hour C-200 that I posted about. (Currently back-ordered about one month) I plan on fitting it with a PC Blu-ray drive and internal HDD. (two things it doesn't look like the hisense player can do.) This player is a lot less expensive though.

I am glad to see the hisense player can take advantage of YAMJ. (Yet Another Movie Jukebox) So browsing through my movies looks like this. With all of the movie covers and info being pulled in from IMDB.

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Re: Is Windows 7 Really Just Vista 2.0?

11/09/2009 9:53 PM

it is possible to access everything you just mentioned faster in 7 than in XP. My advice is try out the universal search in Windows 7. For example, Start > [type in 'control panel']. voila.

Want CPU speed and RAM available in 7? control-shift-escape. brings up task manager. Want something with a prettier interface? Start > [type in 'performance'] and see what comes up.

Sounds like you just need to use 7 more.

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11/04/2009 1:53 AM

I'm just an average user who uses whatever operating system is avaiable. I still have one computer running XP and a couple using Vista. It was a bit of a steep learning curve when I started using Vista but after a few days it was OK.

I have heard a lot of people bagging Vista and I just put it down to having to adapt to the new system, but I have found it OK. We heard the same complaints when we went from Windows 3.1 wi Windows 95. It's just another system and there is no use in trying to feel superior by picking holes in it that the average user doesn't even notice

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11/04/2009 8:40 AM

I just installed 7 pro and have not had much time to try it out yet. I am a former XP user and you are right. Finding what I want is a bit of a hassle. The only reason I moved to the "Latest and Greatest" is my 2 year old 250G hard drive took a dump. I have swapped it out for a 1TB and am anxious to over load it with old vinyl that I am converting to Cd's. Thanks for including the More Info section in you discussion. I plan on checking out the XP to 7 upgrade link.

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11/04/2009 9:44 AM

I reccently upgraded from XP pro (32 bit) to 7 pro (64 bit) and it's been my experience that 7 is vastly out-performing my old XP in the tasks I do. Boot up is faster, webpages load faster, and programs run with fewer crashes. My personal "benchmark" (which I freely admit is purely subjective) comes from online gaming. Online games run light years ahead in performance in windows 7 then they did in XP, given the same programs and hardware, not just in data transfer, but also in visual performance.

I only have 2 complaints:

1) The media file structure and its synergy with windows media player is a bit cumbersome

2) The gadgets dont scale very well in size and look pathetic on a high resolution screen.

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11/04/2009 10:11 AM

I am running Ubuntu 9.04 (32 bit) and Ubuntu 9.10 (64 bit) side by side on the same computer. 9.10 is CONSIDERABLY faster in this machine, but I suspect that is due mostly to the 64 bit instruction set. But, my personal benchmark is Excel working with a .csv file about half a meg. How fast to get to a plot of selected portions of the data. So far, nothing that I have tried beats Excel 2000 running on my Excel 98SE machine. Even running Excel 2000 in XP is slower. Excel 2003 can not even come close in XP or Vista. OpenOffice Calc is slower than molasses in January.

This benchmark is far more important to me than clock speed or industry benchmarks or exotic eye candy, because this is a test from my real world usage. I am sure that if my work consisted of other operations, I would have some other favorite system (i.e., Apple for desktop publishing, Windows for gaming, etc.).

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11/04/2009 3:22 PM

The calling card of an inadequate graphics engine.

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11/04/2009 9:57 AM

"Multiscreen monitors are just starting to hit mainstream computing..." My first touch screen was an old IBM portable (much, much smaller than today's netbooks) in the early 1990's. I have been using my Palm touchscreen for several years now. But I do not see using it on my desktop or laptop- too inconvenient.

So, I keep reading all the blather about how great the new Windows 7 is, but I have yet to read anything that suggests it will meet my personal needs. So far, no one has given me a reason to upgrade my Windows 98SE to a newer version...

I just bought a new laptop, loaded with Vista. The first thing I did when I turned it on was wipe the hard disk and install Ubuntu. I could not decide from the literature which Ubuntu version to install- 9.04 (more stable) or 9.10 (latest release), so I installed both to give them a try. Try that with Windows...

I have now added Windows 98SE, Windows XP (limited use, because Uncle Bill wants me to ask permission to change computers), and Ubuntu 8.04 running in VirtualBox on the same computer. Try that with Windows.

The Ubuntu installs went flawlessly, no need to search the web for drivers or jump through hoops with exotic authentication schemes requiring entry of 35 digit security codes. It just works.

I do not pretend to believe that this is the solution for everyone. When I first started using Ubuntu, there was a pretty steep learning curve. But, shifting from version to version does not require going back to school to learn the intricacies of the newer systems, and I can "try before I buy"- I would be really frustrated were I to spend $200 on a new operating system only to find out that my favorite applications would no longer function. When I first had a look at upgrading from Windows 98SE to Windows XP a few years back, I calculated that I would need $7000 just in software upgrades to maintain the functionality of the old 98SE system- a system that cost me considerably less in hardware to implement.

I do a it of signal analysis, CAD and FEA analysis, and the primary reason for buying the new computer was that, the last FEA I did took about 12 hours to run. The best signal analysis program I have found is AutoSignal, and that runs fine on XP. The FEA package I am using is Salome-MECA, OpenSource and packaged with Ubuntu 8.04 (which won't run on my new computer due to graphics issues). OpenSource does not have a decent CAD suite, unfortunately, and no one has yet come up with anything even close to the capabilities of MS Excel, so I still have need for my legacy Windows systems.

You Windows gurus out there, please tell me why Windows 7 is worth trying! An operating system should just sit in the background doing its thing without requiring a whole lot of maintenance attention, while I get on with the real work at hand.

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11/04/2009 10:32 AM

You may benefit from moving to a 64bit OS (whether XP, Win7 or Ubuntu) simply because it is able to address significantly more RAM. If your calculations are using the hard drive at all for memory keep in mind that access time to RAM is six orders of magnitude faster than hard disk.

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11/04/2009 11:20 AM

Stevem-

ABSOLUTELY! RAM is the critical issue here- My new laptop only has 3 meg, to be upgraded to 8 meg as soon as I can find a source for it- mostly for my more critical applications like FEA (remember back in the days when 64k was considered sufficient?). However, I do not believe this is going to have much noticeable effect on my Excel/98 SE benchmark test, mostly because I don't have the capability to do an analysis at the millisecond level. This is actually a very critical test for me- get a quick view of the data before I start investing too much time in more in-depth analysis.

With regards to CAD, I do not use AutoCAD or SolidWorks because:

1. My CAD work does not generate sufficient revenue to justify the investment

2. I do not do enough CAD work to become really proficient with these packages. I prefer something simpler, like TurboAD or DoubleCAD. Unfortunately, Linux is rather barren when it comes to a decent CAD package...

If all I was doing with my computer was surfing the net or watching movies or listening to music, it is unlikely I would find the old 98SE machine very useful. If video were a critical aspect of my computer usage, I most likely would not be using Linux, because Adobe Flash is too important these days.

But, when I look at the direction of the MS mavens, I get the distinct impression they have no idea of what users want or need, and they could care less about my opinion. In the OpenSource environment, there are people out there that are really interested in how I use my computer, and willing to help make the use more efficient (not always at no cost). THIS is how support should be! What I get from MS is typically, "Thank you for contacting us. We have no solution for you."

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11/05/2009 12:33 PM

This will come as no shock—Win7 wasn't made for you; you may sit this one out too.

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