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Is Your Own Work Your Own Work?

Posted April 20, 2011 7:00 AM

The publicity surrounding recently uncovered high-profile incidents of plagiarism has focused people's attention on this increasing problem. The amount and variety of information available on-line and through other sources makes the crime easier to commit and more difficult to detect. After all, who would know if you appropriated ideas from an obscure source? Have you seen examples of plagiarism in your workplace? Have you detected infractions by job-seekers or long-time employees? How serious were they? How did you respond? Have you ever "borrowed" someone else's work and claimed it as your own?

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Re: Is Your Own Work Your Own Work?

04/20/2011 10:09 AM

Re: Have you ever "borrowed" someone else's work and claimed it as your own?

I don't think so, at least not intentionally, but I've often wondered about many things along these lines (I won't mention them all here):

  • I've always assumed that if I was taught something in school, or found the information in a text book that the information was, well, let me call it public domain
  • Further, if I take that information and use it in ways slightly different to exactly what was in the textbook, that is ok (i.e., not a violation of anyone else's "intellectual property" (bad as that term is)). To clarify, I'm talking about using it to solve a problem I might be working on.
  • Maybe things get a little fuzzier (or not?) when I read about somebody's idea in a scientific journal, trade paper, newspaper, or something like that, and then use the textbook information to achieve a similar result?
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04/21/2011 10:09 AM

I can't say that I've ever plagiarized someone's written work, but this post made me ponder how this applies to copying someone's engineering design work. Of course mechanical constructions can be protected by patents, but is copying a competitor's non-patented designs a form of plagiarism? Obviously it's not a punishable form of plagiarism, but I find it interesting that when working with a written medium it is expected that a writer cite his sources, but when engineering components it is not expected that a design engineer cite which sources may have inspired him.

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04/21/2011 10:12 AM

We're engineers.

Our own work is almost never our own work unless spend all our lives in a laboratory. I'll plagarize a circuit in a heartbeat. And my boss expects me to do that. It's too expensive to dream it all up on our own. That being said, I wouldn't claim it was my idea though. I'm more than happy to give credit where credit is due.

However, nothing I've ever created was a cut-and-paste exercise. There always seems to be something that has to be tweaked for each situation.

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04/21/2011 11:17 AM

FYI, plagiarism isn't a crime, just a ethical violation, in part because of some of the reasons noted above. If people never used any portion of others written ideas, concepts or theories, and had to always provide original work, nothing of any scale would ever get done. Of course the method that is generally allowable to tchnically circumvent ethical issues over plagiarism, is to reference the author of the information you included. Of course it is still considered a bit unethical if you do not include any original thoughts or ideas that evolve from those references.

Copyright infringement, on the other hand, is a crime, but must be enforced by those claiming copyright infringement through a civil action.

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04/21/2011 4:44 PM

To remember what one has forgotten one has to be reminded or remember whatever one has forgotten. It was clearly there before. The resulting experience brings a certain feeling with it. One recognizes that it was seen or done before. To add pride to ones creations one tries to be original, if one can.

For a true originator fakes are easily discernible from the real thing, so, at this point the gain of plagiarism is nullified. The chances of being accepted by the top echelons of a discipline, trade or science etc. are reduced. They will not consider you or your talents in any future enterprises.

The situation and the experience of creating something new brings a different feeling with it. To be able to differentiate between forgotten what one knew and creating something new is best done by starting from scratch. Record and digest every own observation and go from there. Walk before you run.

That's what I do and I am a fanatic about being the one and only. It gives true satisfaction and I can still be wrong in the end but the learning process is my aim not the result which can sometimes vanish like an exploding soap bubble.

It has happened numerous times that I thought I had made a discovery, which I had, only to find that someone else had concluded the same. I could claim the discovery and I do in some way, but I would not brag about it. To embarrassing to be found out.

Grandstanding on the shoulders of giants and waving about like the top cocky is going to get nobody nowhere. Not only does it require a certain seed to grow a certain fruit it requires endless amounts of caring for the soil it grows in. A good farmer can view a field and tell exactly if all is growing as expected.

If the maker of the black rose calls himself the creator, that is blasphemy. The creator of unobtainium will never find his master because there is a too large gap of knowledge to be overcome. The risk of being caught with plagiarism is just not worth it and the ones that try are found out anyway, at and when its time to be found out.

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04/21/2011 10:06 PM

Each of us, intellectually speaking, is the product of a unique set of diverse inputs, most of which slip quietly into the subconscious. There is a very good chance that, in the face of a significant issue, my subconscious draws some obscure fact from some long-forgotten reference, and I incorporate this into my solution documentation. Is this plagiarism?

Were I to copy the work of someone else directly and claim it as my own, that would clearly be plagiarism. I am adamant about crediting people for what I consider usable contributions (a personal obsession), and, in fact, find it advantageous (i.e., "others hold the same concepts as me", which increases my credibility in the marketplace). The same could be said about adapting someone else's design- "Hey, John Doe did it this way, and his product survived several years on the market. A little tweak here, and a little tweak there, and it fits our new application..." Where is the line between "stealing" an idea and "adapting" an idea? I don't think that is an easy distinction to make, nor is it easy to remember the source of all the "original" ideas that I have had over the years...

I do find it rather silly, though, of accusing authors of "plagiarizing" their own works, which seems to be the latest scandal. For as long as I have been reviewing published technical literature, it has been common practice for certain authors to publish their work (often with very little re-workiing) in a variety of venues- in fact, I used to use an "author" filter to sort the good stuff from the noise- authors with the most publications on the same subject are automatically eliminated, because if they are spending so much time publishing papers, they obviously have very little time to develop anything new...

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04/22/2011 4:59 AM

This is perhaps a bit hard to tell. In high school (~1965) I once wrote a social studies term paper on 1800s utopian socialist communities. It was also a decent fit to an English class assignment, so I used it twice. I don't know how anyone found out, and was questioned on it, but nonetheless got A's on both. In alleged self-plagiarism, who is the supposed victim?

I do try to credit all outside sources, but as a voracious reader I don't always remember everything I have ever read. I imagine that some prior thoughts do get into my writings, even though I attempt to be original. The borderlines might be hard to draw in some cases, but it can be hard to remember what I have seen before vs. where I am really new. You just do the best you can.

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