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Is Fracking Worth the Risk?

Posted October 07, 2011 8:45 AM

Fracking is causing a split in more than just rocks. The controversial technology —which uses a mixture of water, sand, and chemicals to fracture rock and release shale gas — could serve as a major new source of energy. However, environmentalists are concerned about the damage it could do. Do you think fracking is a safe new way to get gas and oil, or is it not worth the risk?

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10/07/2011 10:59 AM

IMHO fracking would be worth the risk if the company extracting the gas and thus making the most profit was the one taking the risk. This leads to the real problem of fracking, discerning who is at risk and what are the real risks. Many companies contracted to do the hydraulic fracking itself insist on maintaining proprietary secrecy about the fluids they use and that remain down these deep wells. This prevents people from believing that everything is safe. To me this seems more like a golden opportunity for the cheap disposal of hazardous industrial chemicals by friends of Tony Soprano.

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10/07/2011 10:50 PM

Fortunately the states with the resources are setting very stringent regulations. The environmental lobby is strong enough to ensure that. The chemicals in question are quickly becoming well known. It seems that there are some that are safer than others and could be specified. Insurance is being demanded, and well set back lengths ,from private wells, are being increased.

One nice thing is that there is no rush. We already have an abundance of natural gas available at record low prices ( inflation adjusted.) States that are slow to develop their resources will lose out the initial flood of jobs though. I don't think that, given our poor economy and need for imported oil, that any state will pass on this opportunity.

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10/07/2011 12:43 PM

Is Fracking Worth the Risk?

Is it Worth the Fracking Risk? There, fixed that for you.

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10/07/2011 1:36 PM

What I've read so far is that there is almost no risk. The have been some videos made implying all kinds of bad scenarios, but those are bogus (like the flaming tap water. LOL).

Somehow deep, deep underground cracking of an already porous layer is risky, but actually gouging out thousands of miles of near-surface tunnels to remove coal and other ores is OK? Gimme a break.

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10/07/2011 2:58 PM

Make it so the directors/owners of the company doing the fracking and the directors/owners of the company contracting the work out are held responsible for any stupid stuff they do. Jail time for funny games would be a decent deterrent.

Then people could be a bit more confident things were on the up and up.

The gas is needed - no question. Most of the stories are just that - stories heard from a friend or the barber.

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10/08/2011 1:10 AM

Cut it out already. Uninformed question. "Some" are always worried, most of us are keenly watchful.

A few weeks ago the head of epa testified at the congress, and could not quote one instance of contamination from fracking. At what? Maybe 30 or 40 thousand wells sunk already around the country? I am for full liability, but a fishing expedition is iust that. On a different thread it was brought up, that in Pennsylvania many water wells have methane in them, since before any drilling. Old coal mines and seams do that since time immemorial.

All this does nothing to enhance credibility. But, hey!

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10/08/2011 9:15 AM

I sit and wait, I live on a canyon, not wide but 100 foot down,and in not so long ago a pipe line came across 1/4mile north of my 2 acres in Western Ok. coming from the direction of OKC to who knows where. In recent weeks Oil drilling rigs showed up on each side along the 10 miles I travel, offset about 1/2 to a mile of this line and one about 1/8th of a mile from my house and caused concern as everyone is on a water well and this is stated as a fracking operation..For the kicker a huge pond is being built in which the public says it will be a lake 60' deep. Nice fishing that close. Except, the pond was built on level ground with very little runoff area and to date I see 6 inch pipes coming from two of the drilled wells to the pond and men with hardhats waving their arms at the construction..I don't think my well is going to stand a chance so would like to know what chemical are pumped in and pumped out..Hav'nt got a clue how to find out..Killed my fishing Idea.

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10/08/2011 3:25 PM

OK state doesn't have a free or cheap water testing division?

Many tests for pay are available on the net.

If you only want to sit and wring your hands then there is no help fpr you.

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10/08/2011 9:59 AM

Most states require full disclosure on fluids used. State, county, local building departments are a great starting source for information. Do it, and your neighbors will be up-to-date too.Let us know, when you know more.

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10/08/2011 12:06 PM

Thanks for the interest. This has came on strong, so fast, that it appears to be a 'defrack' and leave..A 'get the money and run' network. The gas and oil is evident in the bubbles and color in the water of the canyon..I'm taking water samples and will try the state on the chemical list...jim

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10/08/2011 3:17 PM

There is not much discussion about technology for disposal of the produced water. In Pennsylvania, the fracking operators tried to just dump it on the local wastewater treatment facilities, which were not able to handle it, so now the plan seems to be to truck the brine to Ohio and dump it there. Wouldn't it be unfortunate (and fortuitous) if somehow it leaked out out on the road, so there are no disposal costs (estimated at $0.33 per barrel)? Produced water treatment is still primitive, although drilling technology is high tech. Dumping does not have to be inevitable, but it is the cheapest solution.

Reverse osmosis desalination projects faced with their reject brine disposal problem have used the argument that dilution cures pollution to overcome resistance, so maybe this is what the fracking operators will try next: just dump it in the river and deploy the lawyers and lobbyists to push that excuse.

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10/08/2011 3:22 PM

Can't say there was anything in your post that made any sense at all - conjecture and BS.

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10/09/2011 8:35 AM

I have in the past talked to several operators with leakey{?} trucks that end up empty at the disposal station. I'm sure the occasional leak is exceptional but dumping in large quanities in one area with other solutions other than salt is a danger to the surrounding communities and their water source. Truly the Hog farms use the pond method is good to evaperate the water and bacteria the solids to an extent that it works for that purpose. But Salt and other chemicals leave the ground and the health of the ones coming in contact with the remains.

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11/18/2011 12:50 AM

Uninformed or worse. Saw a lengthy program form Pennsylvania on that subiect. It was stated and shown, that most do recycle drilling/fracking fluid from hole to hole. It is needed only originally, and not for some 30 years again, so why waste it?

Conspiracy theories are fun in small doses, but usually do not pass the K.I.S.S or smell test.

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11/17/2011 11:43 PM

this may be of value... i'm just concerned what you guys use up there will flow down under

http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/environmental_management/coal-seam-gas/fraccing.html

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