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What Makes a Great Engineering School?

Posted November 08, 2011 8:08 AM

U.S. News & World Report has come out with its ratings of the best engineering schools in the U.S. Once again, MIT ranks number one, followed by Stanford and Cal-Berkeley (see the complete rankings). A Design News editor questions whether the rankings are tied too much to past reputation and to schools oriented to engineering theory. Others agree that more engineering schools today are adding hands-on instruction, such as team design projects. What's your view?

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11/08/2011 12:18 PM

Others agree that more engineering schools today are adding hands-on instruction, such as team design projects.

I does make a more practical engineer.

But the question of:

What Makes a Great Engineering School?

I have to say, and that it always have been, "the student".

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11/09/2011 12:26 AM

Appoint well experienced engineers as lecturers to teach what the students will need when they go to work and include site visits instead of lab work

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11/09/2011 10:00 AM

Back in the days when I was hiring engineers, an undergraduate degree from MIT, Stanford or the other "big names" was worth far less than one from an institution that focused on teaching rather than research. "Teaching" universities generally tend to have smaller classes (especially the upper-level classes), which results in more student-instructor interaction.

When evaluating an engineering school, in my opinion, the critical questions to ask are:

1. What is the average class size?

2. What percentage of students have job offers at graduation?

3. How do the average salary offers for new grads compare with those of other schools?

4. What sort of senior projects are pursued?

The middle two questions, of course, reflect how industry perceives the school, not how academics perceive it. The criteria defined by academics are most likely informed by the need to raise money rather than by the quality of the education provided the students.

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11/09/2011 3:56 PM

Some very good questions. I would continue on this line of thinking with:

5. What classes and labs are taught by tenured professors, associate professors, grad students, etc?

6. What jobs and at what companies are new grads getting? What companies actively recruit on campus?

7. What type of research projects/internships are available to undergraduates?

8. If there is a graduate program, are undergraduates accepted directly or is work experience required? If direct acceptance is allowed, does it shorten the total time to a graduate degree?

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11/10/2011 12:12 PM

I forgot to mention one thing. While "hands on" programs are beneficial, you need to keep an eye out for "Engineering" versus "Engineering Technology" degrees. The degrees are often not seen as equal by many employers. If you go to engineering school, you want to end up working as an engineer and not as a technician. It will also have a huge impact if you want to continue on to graduate school or if you want/need to transfer to another school/degree program. One measure is to make sure that the program is accredited as an "Engineering" program. For example, by ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology) in the United States.

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11/10/2011 12:16 PM

True, there are those who never think of that, (or reconize the difference).

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11/09/2011 11:03 AM

Off topic,

I interview an engineer for my staff (wearing a very expensive 3 piece suit.) fresh out of MIT (I know this because MIT was on his resume) through out the conversation all the kid talked about is what I/the company can do for him. Thats fine, I answered as much as I could and directed that other questions he can asked the HR. My standard was a 2 interviews, where if they made the cut they would recieve call back for the second.

All through the interview it was like this. He asked what the company can do for him. I gave him the tour of the plant showed some of the process introduced him to some of the people on the floor that he will be involved in, and offered if he would like to talk to anyone on the floor on a one on one basis would be weclome.. very disinterested, I was trying to get a feel what he could do for the company. nothing, no excitement, no emotion, no interests except what the company could do for him.

When we return to my office, I discussed more in depth of his education......because of his show or lack of interest.

Curiously I asked him, with his background graduating from MIT, why he would want to work here. His reply was confusing, were I questioned about MIT such as how he like it out east. His responses lost me. Finally I ask if he went to Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

His response was no of course not, he went to Minnesota Institute of Technology

They just change to college of Engineering and Technology I wonder why?

Anyways I asked, isn't that misleading, his response was, 'I didn't lie.'

I wonder where he got a job?

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11/09/2011 3:46 PM

It all depends on how you measure it.

Just like in politics, you can get any answer you want as long as you ask the right questions.

Personally, I think these rankings are a waste of time. Employers are probably the best indication of what constitutes a good engineering school.

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