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How's this for a reminder.

Not the church that was already there though, that would be controversial.

Did you actually read the second article?

It sounds like the development was held up for bureaucratic planning reasons rather than any anti-christian bias.

I wasn't implying that it was anti Christian. Merely pointing out the total ineptitude of our politicians and bureaucrats, although, while it sounds like bureaucratic reasons, I find it highly suspect that a new mosque was green lighted all the way through, while a church that was already there, and was destroyed in the collapse, languishes in red tape.

Official US policy seems to have become one of appeasement.

Kramarat,

How disappointing you are. The mosque is not on the site of the WTC. What motivates your fervor? Maybe we should invade Morocco, just to make you feel good, since we are leaving Iraq.

My rant is against the decision making process of our politicians and bureaucrats, nothing more. It's a common theme of many of my posts that address the poor decisions of our supposed leaders. I consider the fast tracking of a mosque overlooking the site, while hobbling efforts to rebuild a preexisting church to be one of those bad decisions. Sorry you're disappointed.

To help put things in perspective, suppose a group of radicalized Greek Orthodox Christians blew up the trade center. Do you suppose our leaders would be as quick to allow a church to be built overlooking the site?

I also feel that a complete withdrawal from Iraq is a bad decision. I hope I'm wrong.

I want to clarify my position for you, lest you get the wrong idea. This has nothing to do with hating Muslims, which I don't.

Many mainstream Muslims also thought that building a mosque there was a bad idea.

Our politicians claim to be so "in touch" with people's feelings. The building of that mosque, in that place, was akin to rubbing salt in the wounds of the thousands of people that lost loved ones there. It's their feelings that should have taken priority.

Again, you have to be reminded that the mosque was built 2 blocks away and not across the street from the WTC site.

In a business district, where no muslims live. I suppose that the original opening day being 9-11-2011 was just an oversight.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1304326/If-Ground-Zero-mosque-opens-9-11-year-Obama-say-goodbye.html

I'm done here.

Alright people, enough!

Like who gives a Fig Newton about the mosque!

errrrrrrrrrr................

The families of the 3000 that were murdered, as well as thousands of peaceful Muslims. Not to mention 70% of the US population.

It's a prime example of government intentionally moving against the will of the people. It's also becoming a daily occurrence.

I agree with kramarat, the victims families and those Muslims who don't want to be perceived as thumbing their noses at the country who was attacked.

The placement of the mosque I believe is a deliberate act to shove our noses in the excrement. This was a very successful, deliberate attack on American soil and we have way too many pantywaist politicians in Washington and New York City who won't put their foot down and stand up for common sense. They are too afraid that someone will get their feeling hurt if we tell them NO and then they would be putting their cushy government jobs at risk.

You can build a mosque, but it certainly shouldn't be done in the vicinity of the attack, and certainly without tax money or any kind of public financing.

Why would you intimate that tax money (whatever that means to you) or public financing, (which I'm guessing you mean a municipal bond offering) is being used. That is absurd.

No tax money was used that I know of, nor do I buy into the various conspiracy theories that are floating around.

Just another one of my government rants. It has nothing to do with the mosque itself. For government to do things, whether it's NYC government, or the federal government, that flies in the face of what the people that pay their salaries want, it bugs me every time.

For the feelings of a people whose religion birthed the radicalism of the murderous ba$tards that attacked innocent civilians and brought down the towers, to take precident over the feelings of the families of the victims, and thousands of others, including Muslims, is absurd.

I'm sure that no one cares whether or not chunks of metal from the collapsed towers was used for the memorial. It won't bring anyone back.

religion does and always has spawned murderous terrorists.

The crusaders, the Christians, the Irish Republican Army, the Palestinians, the Jews, the Suni, the Muslims, the Arabs, I could go on and on, over the millenia it has been the same.

Go ahead, kill all the Muslims, hate them all, pity none of the children, they are all the same. Dig in and face your God in the morning, he'll forgive you.

Hey I don't like the siting of that mosque so close to the WTC anymore than any other Red-Blooded American/Patriot, but that's not the point. The point of the matter is that this rant, and it's for the most part political, has no place in this forum, period.

And PFR is quite correct in his statements.....why don't we all kill each other the World over time and again over millenia for what? Religion primarily and idiology.....as nothing has changed since the dawn of mankind. Tell you what, I'm tired of wars, but sometimes they are necessary. I'm speaking form my own experiences of having been in major combat twice in my lifetime, and have seen it all....the violence the gore and the brutality....and the utter waste and futility of it all. Maybe you "Armchair Generals" ought to enlist in one of the services and go fight a good war. Tell ya what, there are no good wars...that's a fool's errand.

Now that my only son, age 19, has been sworn (yesterday) into US Air Force service and on his way to Lackland AFB for Basic military Training, I worry for his eventual safety.....his MOS is that of "Combat Controller", basically USAF Spec Ops.....and the first ones in with the USN Seals and US Army Special Forces.

The primary thread here is the reuse of the old WTC materials at the new WTC buildings and facilities......

CaptMoose, Tell your son, from one "Shadow" to another, Stay on Mission. I was Spec. Weapons Sniper and EOD, Air Force. I am the last member of Gulf Company, Ghost Squad. We went in where there were no SEALS or Rangers.

SrTechSgt, Charles "Drake" Dryden.

Thank you for your service SrTechSgt Dryden. I will surely pass along your message to my son. He certainly has a long road to travel what with all of the various 'schools' he has to attend in the next year, none of them a cake walk.

I take it that you served in 'Nam....and other places that cannot be spoken about...."need to know"?

Yeah, I've been there done that as well......

===Signed Captmoosie,

former Cpt, USA, 2/75 Rangers.

CaptMoosie, Thank you, for your service, Capt. We who saw it all, sometimes forget that the younger warriors taking over haven't.

I was not in 'Nam. too young, and too old for Desert Storm. '78 to '82. Not a "recognized conflict" if you follow, but still a war as far as I am concerned.

Regards, former SrTechSgt Dryden, USAF 4400 Squadron, Flight 2201, Ghost Squad.

dragonsfarm, El Salvador perhaps?

I was with the 2/75th Ranger Regiment during Operation Urgent Fury on Grenada (10/23/83 - 10/27/83).....para jump onto the Pt. Salines Airfield that the Cubans were constructing.

Much later on as a Company CO of a Reinforced Engineer Company (USAR) during Desert Shield/Desert Storm/Desert Sword (Saber) '90-'91 (7 1/2 months there). Those are just the "recognized" conflicts....then there were other hot spots that I cannot discuss. Let's just say that I've been on nearly every continent on the globe, save Antarctica.....

Just before then, I was involved in going back and fourth between screwing with Libya, and parked right off the coast of Beruit, Lebanon. We were on our way home when the marine barracks got hit in Oct 83. I take these attacks personally.

Capt, I have been everywhere from Alaska to the Philippines, both of those at the worst times of year. Alaska, Dec, Jan and Feb of 1979-1980. Temp of -78 deg F. Philippines during Monsoon season same year. Nearly 40 inches of rain in a 24 hour period.

I passed through El Salvador. Rest is "Not at liberty to say"'

Thank you again for your service.

SrTechSgt "Drake"

You lost me. As I've said repeatedly. I don't hate anyone.

It also has nothing to do with religion. Let me try to put it in terms you might be able to understand.

Suppose there is a halfway house for parolees in your city. Now suppose that one of the ex cons that's staying there goes nuts and murders your family. Now suppose that the rest of the parolees, despite the fact that there are multiple alternative locations, petitions the city to relocate the halfway house to your street, just a couple of doors down from your house. The city grants them permission, despite your pleas to put it in another section of town, due to the pain and anguish it will cause you to drive by it every day.

Technically, the other parolees have done nothing wrong. They should be able to have their halfway house wherever they want it. They just happened to want it in your neighborhood.

With your family dead and gone, by vocalizing the pain that having the halfway house in your neighborhood causes, you are labeled an intolerant hater.

Kram, understand where you're coming from, and yes I wouldn't want it in my back yard either, BUT this rant doesn't belong here buddy, okay?

Got it. Neither does this blog, and whether or not scrap is used in the memorial. The memorial has nothing to do with the concrete and metal towers.

The entire subject is inflammatory. I guess everybody knows where I stand.

This may be a shocker but it appears that the backers of the mosque did want to get 9/11 funds to help build it.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/23/critics-furious-ground-zero-mosque-developers-want-911-money/

There are many other links about the funding.