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Should kids learn to code?

Posted February 01, 2012 8:32 AM

From ExtremeTech:

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote about the absurd notion that anyone could become a serious, worthwhile programmer, and get a decent job from those skills, inside of one year. This week I came across a story by Andy Young at kernelmag.com called "Coding for Success," which addressed a slightly different coding question: Should we teach all kids to code as part of their education?

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02/01/2012 11:37 AM

Yeah, and it was easy to give 'em a taster when every PC came with Quick Basic...
Now they don't.
Thanks Bill, what a jerk...
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(I still think that for small applications for microcontrollers assembler or basic is easier than C)

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02/01/2012 1:38 PM

hats the hook, now reel em in.

just like earlier Dos used to come with gwbasic or basica. (it was probally out dated)

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02/01/2012 10:43 PM

I think Bill deserves a break.

One, he's now giving away some serious money for worthy projects and two, it's easy to download the fully featured Visual Studio express edition for FREE!

If you what to learn Cxx or Visual BASIC it's easy.

I've never understood why Bill (a canny businessman) gets bad press and Steve (a polo neck wearing, canny businessman) was treated like a god.

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02/02/2012 3:43 AM

I've never understood why Bill (a canny businessman) gets bad press .
I'll explain.
He has a poor product, which is never finished. With his virtual monoploy position he can force repeat sales.
Not content with that the product doesn't even include the default standard stuff eg MS Word, you have to buy that separately!!!
It is self evidently overpriced as he has made obscene profits.
He then gives away a tiny percentage away and is lauded for his huge generosity.
No!
If he was generous he'd have made the Windows OS open source/freeware many years ago and the history of computing would have accelerated way past it's current bloated stagnant state.
I don't have an opinion on Steve.

By accumulating a dissproportionate wealth and then bestowing it where he personally feels it is deserved, he's the one playing god.
(I'm not decrying the actual charity work)
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BTW... I see no attraction in visual basic, as far as I can see it's just bogging down the actual programming with a load of irrelevant glossy front end and is no longer basic. It's taken something quick and simple which a kid can pick up and play with immediately and made it a triumph of presentation over content, like most suff these days.
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02/02/2012 2:09 PM

I'll "second that emotion." And ffeg, if you'd like a pretty detailed rant about it, check out, "Why I Hate Microsoft." This website seems like a pretty even-handed analysis. A more controversial source is "The Microsoft File: The Secret Case Against Bill Gates."

I would say, yes, some exposure to coding would be helpful. But a lot of kids that have grown up with computers, just naturally, have sought out programming and learned some on their own.

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02/01/2012 1:36 PM

Learning to code, I think it comes to them as entertainment, they can see they're accomplishments. And at times, the entertainment of writing apps will triumph playing games for kids learning.

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02/02/2012 3:50 AM

Absolutely!!!!

If learning the language of a foreign culture you may never encounter is somehow deemed to be vital to a child's development then why not learning the language of machines that you will definitely and unavoidably have to interact with all your life?

It makes a lot of sense.

Now, find me a pedagogist who would be capable of creating a staged curriculum for this. Can't find one? Perhaps if code was taught at an early age then.......

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02/02/2012 8:14 AM

Maybe some kids, but not all of them. Programmers are quircky people.

Some people take to programming like a fish to water. Others, (me), want nothing to do with it.

Maybe touch on some programming to let kids get exposed to it, with advanced classes for those that take to it. But once in high school, making code writing mandatory, makes no more sense than forcing the computer geeks to take wood shop and PE.

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02/02/2012 9:54 AM

No doubt and why do we not have coding as part of our children's curriculum yet?

It' s great to see sites like Codecademy, TeamTreeHouse and CodePupil teaching how to code in fun ways. These sites are making more accessible to the masses to learn how to code.

Though America is falling behind in science and math and soon technology if a coding curriculum isn't offered in our middle and high schools!

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02/02/2012 10:45 AM

It absolutely should be available. Just not mandatory for the ones that aren't interested.

I've met some people that write code for a living.....................some of them obsessed to point that they forget to eat, sleep and bathe. I sometimes wonder what those type of people did before computers came along.

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02/02/2012 2:17 PM

The types you are describing are probably not old enough to have dealt with a world without computers. The ones that might be, probably... WHO KNOWS??

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02/03/2012 2:24 PM

That's not what I was saying. What I meant was...........I wonder what a person did, that had the unique characteristics of a modern computer programmer, but was born in a much earlier period in history. Long before computers.

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02/03/2012 10:09 PM

Learning to code has developmental benefits.

It promotes structured thought, encourages efficiency, teaches close analysis, builds pattern recognition skills and reinforces the concepts of relevance, dependency and consequence. I figure there are more benefits that I can't think of right now.....

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