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Say It Isn't True!! - A Real Corrosion Story

Posted August 15, 2012 12:00 PM by psikorsky

My wife and I love the television ads with the E-Trade Baby. A line from one ad in particular, where somebody says something exceedingly obvious and the baby responds, "Let me see your shocked face", has become a standard around our house. Whenever we come to an obvious conclusion or see something on TV or in the newspaper that states the obvious, one of us will say, "Let me see your shocked face." Well, get ready, LET ME SEE YOUR SHOCKED FACES - air conditioning machines corrode!!

If you wanted to create a single laboratory device to study multiple types of corrosion you might start by designing an air conditioning machine - a mechanical device made from a variety of dissimilar metals, subject to changing moisture and temperature conditions, frequently located in hostile environments and often subject to minimal maintenance, cleaning or inspection. In my 30 years of materials engineering experience in the HVAC industry I've seen general corrosion, pitting corrosion, galvanic corrosion, fretting corrosion, crevice corrosion, corrosive wear, erosion/corrosion, stress corrosion, thermal oxidation and biological corrosion in HVAC equipment. I've seen exotic materials such as super ferritic stainless steels, titanium, superalloys and high-nickel alloys fail due to corrosion in a few weeks or even a few days and I've seen common materials such as plain carbon steel and pure copper survive for many, many years without any trace of corrosion damage in similar applications.

Though solving corrosion problems is often viewed more as a black art than as an engineering discipline, there are excellent tools and techniques available to address corrosion issues and to solve corrosion problems. Step wise the process is clear cut:

  1. Identify the corrosion mechanism.
  2. Understand the environment, both external and internal.
  3. Understand the equipment - materials of construction, operating cycles, hours.....
  4. Identify alternatives - materials, coatings, limiting operating envelope, changing the environment (water treatment, alternative lubricants/refrigerants, filter the air, etc.), redesign the machine (better drainage, eliminate contact of dissimilar metals, .....)
  5. Implement change.
  6. Monitor results.

Pragmatically, the process can be difficult. Identifying the corrosion mechanism is not always easy, gaining knowledge of the environment takes time and a lot of tedious work, understanding the equipment requires cooperation from the OEM, identifying alternatives to solve the problem depends on where/who you are - if you're the OEM you may be able to implement material or other redesign changes, if you're the user you may be able to influence the environment, etc., etc.. Regardless of the problems and pitfalls of the process, corrosion problems can be addressed successfully. Engaging an expert in corrosion engineering/science can help to make the process go more smoothly and help eliminate those shocked faces.

Editor's Note: CR4 would like to thank PJ Sikorsky of GEA Consulting for contributing this blog entry.

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Re: Say It Isn't True!! - A Real Corrosion Story

08/15/2012 11:36 PM

Air quality plays an important role in corrosion.

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08/16/2012 5:43 AM

Air quality effects and to interact with to some material .These are Humidity and random walks particules in the air. İt can be correct.

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Re: Say It Isn't True!! - A Real Corrosion Story

08/22/2012 12:35 AM

predictive maintenance always the best action

but it is need thoroughness and perseverance

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