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A Glance at Wind Power

Posted August 20, 2012 9:00 AM by cheme_wordsmithy

Wind power has always been an interesting area of technology to look at, if for no other reason than the idea of harvesting "free" energy from something as simple as wind currents. But the technology itself is also pretty fascinating. Let's just say we've come a long way from old fashioned windmills…

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Here's a rotor blade of the world's largest wind turbine (5 MW) being transported to the construction site through a small town.

Make Way! (Credit: Siemens AG, Munich/Berlin)

Wind power has been a steadily growing renewable energy source in the U.S. over the last decade. In this time, improvements in technology have made wind turbines larger, lighter, and longer to increase efficiency and capacity. In 2011, wind power comprised 32% of additions to U.S. electric generating capacity. Unfortunately, much of this growth has stemmed from federal monies and tax credits such as the Product Tax Credit (PTC) and Advanced Energy Manufacturing Tax Credit. These are likely to expire by the end of 2012.

Some new projects in the country are still pushing forward, however. While all current wind energy in the U.S. is land-based (mostly located in the Midwest and Great Plains), some 20 offshore wind projects representing 2000 MW of capacity are in the works. This includes Cape Wind, a company that since the early 2000's has aimed to construct 130 wind turbines with a max capacity of 420 MW on Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound. Just last week the company received FAA approval for their project, which certifies the farm will pose no hazard to aircraft flying in the region.

Offshore wind provides a number of advantages over land-based generation, most notably higher average wind speeds. Noise pollution, loss in scenery, and injuries to birds are also not problems when building offshore. Cost is really the biggest problem, which is affected by construction, operation, and grid connection difficulties due to being located on the water. Specifically, there is no existing infrastructure for connecting offshore wind to the grid, so each project must create its own solution. And assembling these massive machines out on the water, as you can imagine, is not an easy task.

Still, Cape Wind and other projects like it promise lower electricity costs for their local customers through the 'price suppression' effect of renewable sources, which has been documented in Europe.

Despite all the incentives and apparent progress, wind power currently chips in only 3% of the nation's total electricity output, and its true economic sustainability will be realized a year from now if existing and startup wind projects are left on their own financially.

Cost-effectiveness has always been the question, specifically if the money used to build wind-farms could not be better used someplace else (such as insulating homes to reduce energy consumption and waste). The prospect of cost-effectively utilizing personal (residential) wind turbines is not yet an effective alternative either. At $6,000 and 400 kWh a month, it would take the average homeowner 12 years or more to make back the initial cost in energy savings. Safe to say, wind power still has a long ways to go.

References

Ars technica - Wind power

Boston Globe - FAA rules Cape Wind will not affect air traffic

Technology Review - A Mighty Wind Turbine

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08/20/2012 1:24 PM

I can see where we need SMART government subsidies here for the development of this technology.

And I mean smart, not an unguaranteed loan or grant in exchanged for a nice donation to my election campaign.

cough, cough,....solyndra and the likes, ,...cough, cough!

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08/20/2012 4:50 PM

Cool picture of the turbulence effect...

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08/20/2012 5:39 PM

There's actually a formula for spacing of the turbines

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08/21/2012 3:30 PM

The towers would never be positioned in rows like those shown here. This must be a digitally created pic.

You don't want a turbine directly downwind of another, because the turbulence (and the reduction in the energy carried by the wind) downstream of the first unit makes the second one semi-useless. As you said, there are methods for placement of turbines to get the most energy from each one, considering the available range of wind speeds, direction, flow patterns, terrain and obstructions.

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08/21/2012 3:43 PM

Yes, I never said the picture was correct.

Picture itself shows that the trailing mills are in the turbulent flows of the preceding windmills.

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08/20/2012 7:03 PM

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08/20/2012 11:23 PM

May i ask where did you get that? By the way, this picture,don't show this would affect the wheather in same scale that be an important energy source?.-

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08/20/2012 11:35 PM

Instead of using very tall crane can we manage with a smaller crane if supporting structure is made telescopic?. Lowering for maintenance too will be easy.

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08/21/2012 2:08 AM

Only if the rotor wings were significantly shorter than the mast.

Telescopic towers would need to be a lot chunkier than a rigid monopole to have the same strength.

Each telescoping tower would need a built in crane to facilitate the proposed "advantage".

Not looking too attractive.

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08/21/2012 3:58 AM

If you build a well(lined with concrete) near the base of the tower,deep enough to accommodate the vertical blade(other two will be above the ground 120 deg apart) when the structure is lowered the bottom blade will go into it and the machine will be accessible for maintenance. During erection only,a crane will be needed.

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08/21/2012 7:24 AM

Why didn't you say so?!!

That's a lot simpler and cheaper than renting a crane.

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08/21/2012 9:26 AM

There is another suggestion to keep the generator at ground level and drive it mechanically or hydraulically. If turbine gets damaged the generator/transformer will be safe. Also capacity of crane required will be less as it need to lift only the turbine not generator/transformer.

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08/21/2012 3:42 AM

As with a lot of these green intiatives its always good to follow the money. Follow the money and see who benefits from the subsidies.

A windfarm without a storage system such as water reservoir is a total waste of time. The windfarm seldom provides provides power when we need it.

In my local area we have been bombarded with green lies regarding the windfarm. We are told the windmills will provide enough power to supply 3 small towns. I'm good with that - lets prove it - lets 'island' the towns and let the windfarm operator, in this instance a large French company, put their money where their mouth is. I would like to use an electric kettle next Monday morning after my electric shower. Am I going to be lucky - will it be windy?

Look not to the misguided polticians who push this stuff but look to their wives and imediate family. This is some mother of a honey pot that is screwing our electrical infrastructure.

10 out of 10 for the picture though - that is quality.

I'm getting off my soap box now .........

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08/21/2012 7:39 AM

Why do you claim that bird killing is not a problem at sea? Unless you are very far offshore, there are birds flying over the water. Is it because their bodies are carried away and cannot be counted that it is suddenly a non issue?

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08/21/2012 7:54 AM

.....there are dead birds?

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08/21/2012 8:45 AM

Yep. Just look along any road near you. The wind generators kill them by the millions and the wind farm operators pick them up in big truck loads and toss them along the roads to hide it.

I just saw a dead bird scattering truck go by a few minutes ago this morning.

Heck they even go so far as to shoot them out of the ditch right into the front of my pickup while I am driving so it looks like I killed them. The did it to me twice this week!

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08/21/2012 9:05 AM

Heck they even go so far as to shoot them out of the ditch right into the front of my pickup while I am driving so it looks like I killed them. The did it to me twice this week!
That is sick!

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08/21/2012 9:23 AM

Why don't they fix some warning light or employ low/high frequency noise to keep the birds away.

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08/21/2012 9:32 AM

Warning lights can attract some birds because some birds use stars for navigation, and the lights would be mistaken for stars.......... THUMP!

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Will a particular colour of light distract birds?.

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....come to think of it the chickens at the market are looking a bit odd.

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08/22/2012 11:08 AM

You could tell by the dead cats along the roadside where they get killed going after the dead birds. But the wind farm operators scoop 'em up and sprinkle them around the base of the wind generators to confuse everyeone
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08/22/2012 1:32 PM

So that's why there is a dead cat truck always going the opposite direction of the dead bird truck every morning!?

Well that would explain the piles of dead cats in our local wind farm then!

(I always wondered how they got them to jump 200+ feet in the air!)

Have you noticed that the guys running the dead bird launchers along the roads must have a sense of humor. Every once in awhile they shoot a cat or dog or odd critter out in front of you while driving as well.

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08/21/2012 10:03 AM

how much more low frequency noise do you want. Its what windfarms do.

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08/21/2012 11:05 AM

My glance at windpower is not looking too good. Here in Martyland, the boy wonder guvner (with eyes on the White House in 2016, <<shudder>>) wants wind farms off the Atlantic coast. All fine and good, I'd be all for the gubmint allowing operators to install wind turbines as long as the operators post the bonds necessary for removal when they 'die'.

Now, here's where it gets ugly. They also propose to force the consumer to buy this wind power at higher than market rates, so it will be economically viable to do this. Ugh. This is so bass ackwards. Of course the meanie greenies simply want to tax the 'ell out of all other viable sources of energy to make these other sources of energy suddenly attractive. Never mind the soaring energy costs will crush any chance of an economic recovery. But never fear, the pipe dreamers all claim that this new alternative, clean energy industry will drive a vibrant economy. Right.

I lived in Massachusetts for twenty-something years and spent many summers cruising on the Cape with my parents on their little sloop. We moored our boat in a nice little harbor round the corner from Woods Hole. We've also spent many a summer day in the doldrums out in Nantucket Sound. That's where Horseshoe Shoals are, the location for the doomed Cape Wind project. Good thing we had an iron jenny or we might still be out there. (By the way, the blues run heavy on those shoals and it is a great fishing spot.) There's a few places over the shoals where we would drag our centerboard a little bit as we would draw about five foot with the board down.

Before rushing headlong into this folly, we would do well to wait a few years, there's no rush, and see how this whole thing works out. Cape Wind will be one data point. There will be other data points from installations over the pond in Europe and land-based units, etc. We really cannot afford to rush this and jeopardize the stability of our grid for the latest fad in intermittent, unpredictable energy. Hardly anybody discussing this ever talks about grid stability. Most people have no clue as to how the whole thing works and has no idea of how delicate a process it is to keep the energy flowing smoothly to our homes and businesses.

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08/21/2012 12:16 PM

They should put it off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, and you'll see if you don't already know where this twat's true convictions lie.

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Horseshoe Shoals (Nantucket Sound) is actually off the coast of Martha's Vineyard almost equidistant from Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard and the South Cape. But it's not on the side of the island with the biggest homes and richest people. Interestingly enough, on a clear day the Kennedy's should be able to see them from their compound in Hyannis so quite frankly, I'm surprised this is actually coming to fruition.

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08/22/2012 12:41 AM

Ah yes, the Cape Wind project. A great idea, that is, as long as you can't see them from the Compound.

FYI BSR, Worcester now has it's own windy thingy:

http://www.holyname.net/green/index.html

A new semi-permanent addition to the skyline.

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08/21/2012 12:27 PM

As a "Codder" the actual cost to the consumer will be a LOT higher! 18.7 cents/kwh is higher than 7.928 cents/kwh

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08/21/2012 2:22 PM

Wind advocates might do well to look for another job -- instead of power generation -- that wind can do. Wind is intermittent, requiring backup gas capacity, and when wind is available (mostly at night) power is cheap. One might reasonably conclude from these two facts that the prospects for wind electricity sales are dim and will remain so, no matter what the political situation might be. Screaming louder for government subsidies is not a long-term solution for the wind business, which seems to be locked into a fantasy from the '70s about "renewables" replacing fossil fuels.

The US has 50 GW of installed wind capacity. But the capacity factor is small, so wind capacity is largely wasted. It is a failure of imagination, not of technology or political policy, that has put the wind business where it finds itself today.

A better use for wind would be a prime mover for pumping or grinding things. The first picture. For example, grinding waste for upgrading by pyrolysis (see http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120193271.pdf) or cracking CO2 to produce syngas and nanotubes (see http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20100146927.pdf and http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20090200176.pdf).

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08/21/2012 2:30 PM

Wind advocates might do well to look for another job -- instead of power generation -- that wind can do. Wind is intermittent, requiring backup gas capacity,

sounds like a career in politics would do it, because politics have plenty of backup gas......

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08/21/2012 11:30 PM

Wind power could be used for charging batteries,to produce and store compressed air as energy source,for pumped storage system etc. At the same time for the purpose of fuel saving in grids fed by wind power some diesel power could be kept as standby instead of using fuel continuously.

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08/22/2012 9:06 AM

This can be viable in remote areas where there isn't any connection to the grid but it is a waste of energy and resources to do it in developed areas.

Wind/solar energy are already uncompetitive as is, using storage reduces the efficiency by 30-60% and multiply the cost.

One as to apply these "solution" rationally where they are productive. Pushing this in developed area simply overtax the environment by using a less efficient mean than what is already available.

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08/21/2012 7:23 PM

We have pretty unreliable power. Several hours of outages every other month or so not uncommon. Our legislature "decided" that alternative energy is the "wave" of the future and ordered our power company to generate 20% of the power by alternative sources. 7 Wind turbines have appeared in the past 4 weeks. Looks as if several more are being planted. It will be interesting to see how well this works. Hopefully they will publish the figures. As our published rates are $.04 to $.05 per KWH, the billed rate last month was $.285 any increase will hurt. Isaac shouldn't cause a problem. How do they stand up to tornadoes?

Those are awesome pics, how did they get the turbulence to appear?

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I huff and I puff and I blow them all down!

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