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Russia's Stealth Fighter Could Match U.S. Jets, Analyst Says

Posted November 16, 2012 8:25 AM
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Russia's T-50 fighter prototype is slightly less stealthy than the American F-22. But in several other respects the new warplane is greatly superior to the American models.

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11/16/2012 8:31 AM

If the T-50 doesn't asphyxiate its pilots, it is a superior aircraft.

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11/16/2012 9:03 AM

To match the stealthiness of the Lockheed Martin F-35 - to say nothing of the company's F-22 - Sukhoi's engineers will have to, among other changes, modify the T-50′s engines to a less obtrusive fitting and add a layer of radar-absorbing material to the plane's skin.

As a friend of mine used to say, 'If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs. If we had some eggs.'

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11/16/2012 11:02 AM

I would certainly expect the Russians to be able to put vaguely comparable military technology into service within a decade after the US military introduces the technology into service.

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11/16/2012 11:59 AM

Well, I feel much better now that we have given Russia the 'Reset Button'.

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11/16/2012 5:24 PM

don't follow. how exactly was a 'reset button' given to the Russians?

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11/16/2012 6:09 PM

When Obama took office he sent Hilary Clinton to Russia with a box with a big red button on it that said RESET in Russian, well so they thought, but the translation was wrong and it translated to OVERCHARGE.

The good news is Putin really likes Obama. The bad news is that Putin likes Obama because he feels that Obama is not too savvy with his foreign relations policy and Putin appears to have made a good judgement in this regard.

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11/16/2012 6:34 PM

Off topic, but.........

In the late 70's, I worked at a place with a bunch of NSA guys.

We built spy stuff for them. We built a small box for them, with a single two position toggle switch on one side. No makings, anywhere. Imagine a cigarette pack painted flat black.

There were electronics inside, but we were "compartmented", so I didn't know what it did.

When it went into the field, someone had marked one switch position. The switch was in the other position.

The agent wouldn't use it because he didn't know if the letters meant "on" or "no".

True story, but maybe you had to know these guys. Their sense of humor was far out.

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11/19/2012 9:11 AM

Not wishing to enter into a political discussion, but I will politely disagree with you on Obama's foreign relations capability. I like what he's done.

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11/19/2012 11:18 AM

There are some advantages to his approach.

The underpinnings of his foreign policy is a mostly "hands off" approach. That is, do not become engaged and sit back and watch what happens.

This is about as effective as flipping a coin, which is not much worse than what most administrations get from their planned approaches.

However, it does have its problems. If you look at what is happening in the Mid East the region has been going from bad to worse. As things stand it is not unreasonable to expect a nuclear Iran that will become the new regional leader of the Mid East.

This would be the definite course of action if it was not for Syria, which is a wild card event. Failure to engage is leaving the outcome of the whole region to a roll of the dice.

The direction the Mid East goes may be a game changer for the Western World.

The flip side to this is the Southeast Asia Reengagement Act, which is a very good foreign policy move on behave of this administration.

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11/19/2012 12:25 PM

What have you been "smoking"? Look around with your eyes and ears wide open. It won't take much to see the results of our demeaned posture on the worlds stage.

The man, bho, has been and will continue to be an abject failure because not only is he incompetant, he surrounds himself with people on an equal or lesser level of comepetancy.

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11/21/2012 9:22 AM

The world seems to disagree with you. I only wish our president could run for a third term.

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11/21/2012 9:23 AM

everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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11/21/2012 10:58 AM

I only wish some people's opinions were based on facts. People like to blame Hoover for the Great Depression, but it was actually Calvin Coolidge's policies that set the stage for it. Tax cuts for the rich created a bubble in the stock market which fueled wild spending. Hoover was barely in office when everything finally collapsed. He had 3 1/2 years to straighten it out and didn't, yet you will find people who point a finger at FDR and say he allowed it to drag on longer than it should have. The very same thing is happening today. People are pointing their fingers at the wrong guy, ignoring the facts, and not giving credit where it's due.

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11/21/2012 11:06 AM

I agree, but to make this both sides, its like Clinton moving to the right and working with the Republican Congress to balance the budget.

And like you, I'm not telling the whole story.

And opinions does not neccesary have to deal with fact, as opinions, it has more to deal with life experiences.

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11/21/2012 11:17 AM

Agreed.

Cheers, and have a very nice Thanksgiving.

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11/21/2012 11:21 AM

back at you also......

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11/21/2012 12:15 PM

"People are pointing their fingers at the wrong guy, ignoring the facts, and not giving credit where it's due."

How right you are. bho and his cronies are pi$$ing and moaning about the "economic disaster" they inherited. They applied for the job and then they whine about it. If you don't think you can fix something, don't offer to at the outset.

bho has not done anything to alleviate any economic "problems" he encountered as he took office. In fact, he has greatly exacerbated the situation through unfettered social programs and the associated funding. To be fair, he has not done this on his own, other liberals on both sides of the political aisle have been complicit.

bho and liberal policies have been and will continue to be a disaster for small and large businesses alike. When you take away people's incentive to work by taxing them exorbitantly they will quit working all together or move their resources elsewhere where the economic climate isn't so destructive to them. I don't blame them a bit in going elsewhere. Why would anyone want to risk their time, money, emotional and physical energy for the sake of a pithy return on investment?

The finger-pointing needs to be toward the person bho sees when he looks in the mirror. After 4 yrs. he has had plenty of time to put policies in place that would benefit business and the economy. The only reason the economy, unemployment statistics, numbers of people on welfare and food stamps is so high is because liberal policies have never and will never work.

I still have a certain level of faith and confidence in the American creativity, innovation and work ethic to stay ahead of any country in the world, if we are allowed to. In spite of the efforts of our present Presidential "leadership" and the other liberal politicians to make us otherwise, we are still the greatest country in the world, in terms of a good heart/intention, willingness to come to the aid of others, militarily, etc.

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11/27/2012 12:18 PM

I suppose it is easy to ignore the record amount of filibusters used to prevent BHO from accomplishing a lot of things he wanted to do. Then you can turn around and say he failed as a president, and he has only himself to blame. I refuse to ignore the "anything to make him a one-term president" attitude that crippled the recovery.

As far as taxes are concerned, someone has to pay for trillions of dollars spent on two unfunded wars and tax cuts. Unless you have a genie in a bottle, I'm afraid all of us will have to pitch in and pay. That's not a liberal idea, it's an intelligent one.

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11/27/2012 2:00 PM

You wrote, "As far as taxes are concerned, someone has to pay for trillions of dollars spent on two unfunded wars and tax cuts. Unless you have a genie in a bottle, I'm afraid all of us will have to pitch in and pay. That's not a liberal idea, it's an intelligent one."

That makes some sense, but my fear is that any tax increase will simply be spent, and then some. There is plenty of historical evidence of this. Also, taking money out of the public sector will most likely hinder the economic recovery.

My feeling is that we need to stop the bleeding first, then provide time for the economy to rebound, then let's talk about raising taxed to pay down the deficit.

This may be simplistic, but my take on this is that we need to do the same thing that you would do with a failing family financial situation. You have to get your spending in line. That means making a budget and it means sticking to that budget.

However, I do not feel that this will likely happen and we will continue to just spend more than we can ever hope to pay back for a long time.

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11/27/2012 2:34 PM

"I suppose it is easy to ignore the record amount of filibusters used to prevent BHO from accomplishing a lot of things he wanted to do."

It's just too bad bho was able to get as many of his policies shoved down our throats as he did. If he hadn't been as "successful" with getting his plans through as he did, our economy would be in much better shape.

It just comes down to a different ideology for government. bho thinks that the government should run everything and that he should be able to rule as a dictator. In reality, and history proves this, the best way for our country's government to operate is by being as small as possible, on federal and state levels, to operate according to Constitutional standards and follow sound fiscal principles that work in your home and mine; spend less than you make, save/invest all you can so money can work for you. "When you borrow money, you are a slave to the lender."

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11/28/2012 2:42 PM

I don't dispute the fact that there are varying points of view and ideology in how a countries economy works the best.

As far as the Annenberg Public Policy Center, I'm not sold on how unbiased they are, so there "factchecking" conclusion are dubious.

I do dispute the fact that bho and other liberal politicians on both side of the aisle think they can spend ourselves out of this deep, deep, deep financial hole that has been dug. You can't!!!! It doesn't work in your or my household and it doesn't work in a country's economy either.

If you want money to be spent most effectively and efficiently, let the individual citizens do it. You and I will be much more thrifty with our expenditures and we will obtain much higher value for the dollars spent. The government doesn't have any money, except for that which it takes at the "point of a gun"/threat of punishment, and that which it does take in, it spends foolishly for the most part.

If a government wants to stimulate an economy; it simply needs to reign in igregious regulation, regulators run-amok, out of control beauracracies,etc., leave, or more preferrably reduce the existing tax rates so people have a greater incentive to invest their time, effort and money in building businesses. The government is the worst employer ever. It is like a pig at the trough with an endless amount of food, it just keeps getting fatter, more bloated and harder to move than it was before. Most politicians, including bho, have never run a business or it has been so long ago that they have lost sight of how a business works best. These same people are the ones who are making regulations that choke and stifle those enterprising people and make it harder and harder to function.

The results of this current administrations policies speak for themselves: the highest unemployment ever for such a sustained number of quarters; more people on food stamps than ever; numbers of companies closing their doors; sinking hope of the American populace that things will ever improve; fuel prices almost double of what they were when bho took office; more money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan than in the previous years; more soldiers killed in those countries than in the previous years (both of these stats are in proportion to the amount of time bho has been in office in relationship to how long those wars have been going on). Need I go on? The list does go on and on in regard to the failed policies that are a result of bho's socialist ideology.

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11/29/2012 9:39 AM

As soon as someone says something like this:

"fuel prices almost double of what they were when bho took office;"

I know the conversation is over. Gas prices were at an all-time high in the summer of 2008. The price dropped after the economy crashed in September of 2008. Ignore that if you will, but it doesn't change the facts. You don't need to go on, because your other points are equally cherry-picked with the intent to distort reality. I'm sure on the top of your list of Obama's failed policies is the death of Osama bin Laden and the end of the Iraq War. This discussion has ended, and I'm un-subscribing.

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"The price dropped after the economy crashed in September of 2008".

That's just it, the economy is still crashing and the fuel prices are still high. Why haven't they come down if it was the "crash" that helped them come down? The reason they aren't down is because of the failed/failing policies of bho; over-regulation, an EPA Dept. drastically out of control, moratoriums on drilling, reduced number of leases on Federal lands, high fuel tax rates, beauracies that stifle business development, resistance and non-support for a pipeline to transport crude from Canada and the upper West and Midwest, etc.

The killing of Bin Laden was a good thing but it wasn't any big deal or accomplishment for bho. The infrastructure, the skilled warriors and plans were already in place. All he did was give the go-ahead to do what they were already prepared to do.

I can't help it if you can't see through the crap the media is dishing out. Look at the facts of: businesses shutting down, high high unemployment numbers, the enormous growing numbers of people receiving government assistance, the pushing of and acceptance of aberrant behavior, the push to accept as normal what should never be seen as normal, the continual misportrayals of this great country of ours (apologizing to anyone and everyone who will listen that wants to see us fall), the gigantic level of debt and deficit on an on-going basis, etc.

It comes down to this; policies and ideology have consequences and we're paying for those of bho and other liberal policitians from both sides of the aisle.

Put down the liberal/obama Koolaid and open your eyes.

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11/21/2012 1:22 PM

Part of the reason the world is happy with the current administration is that those countries recognize that they can pretty much do whatever they want without regard to a negative response from the US.

The other reason is that those countries recognize that any agreements between countries are biased towards the USA trying to show good will and therefore making compromises that would not normally be the case.

Obama is trying to put an end to 113 years of American imperialism.

The definition of imperialism does not need to have colonies. America has none, but we have troops station all over the world (land and sea). This is nothing different than what any other major power has done through history.

While Obama hates imperialism, I doubt it will ever go away. The realities prevent it from happening.

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11/16/2012 4:26 PM

We should have listened to Gen. George Patton.

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What did he say?

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Perhaps Lyn is making reference to this Patton quote:

'....The difficulty in understanding the Russians is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk......'

August 8th 1945 George S Patton

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No nuance here. "I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."

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11/16/2012 7:37 PM

I like this quote by Jarod Kintz better

"Question for your life: If your face looked like your ass, and I'm not implying it doesn't, would you consider invading Russia in the middle of winter wearing only shorts?"

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11/19/2012 9:22 AM

Since this has spun completely off topic, does anyone remember Samantha Smith? She was the young girl who wrote Yuri Andropov and received an invite to the USSR. Seems to me she proved the Russians weren't war mongers, but I would bet war mongers had her killed. Read up on her.

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