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Expert Psychologist Suggests the Era of Genius Scientists is Over

Posted January 31, 2013 10:00 AM

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Dean Keith Simonton, a psychology professor at the University of California, has published a comment piece in the journal Nature, where he argues that it's unlikely mankind will ever produce another Einstein, Newton, Darwin, etc. This is because, he says, we've already discovered all the most basic ideas that describe how the natural world works. Any new work, will involve little more than adding to our knowledge base.

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01/31/2013 11:24 AM

Everything that can be invented has been invented.Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

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I was oddly disappointed when I learned that the above quotation was not factual.

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Thankfully, psychology professor, Dean Keith Simonton, has vanquished my disappointment.

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My faith is renewed in the human ability to believe they know essentially all that can be know....and publish comments to that effect!

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....I know of nothing that is yet unknown. We certainly must know it all....

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is right up there with...

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....My memory is perfect, I can't think of a single thing I've permanently forgotten....

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Bravo, Mr Simonton! Bravo!

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01/31/2013 11:38 AM

GA!

I had heard of it attributed to a World's Fair shortly after 1900, but that could also be misinterpreted.

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02/01/2013 4:18 AM

LOL!

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I love the title of this thread: Expert Psychologist ...

I'd say he's guilty of projecting - in the 'expert' psychological sense of the word.

Expert, n - A has-been drip, under pressure.

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01/31/2013 1:34 PM

Total ignorant BS.

Here are a few other famous example quotes from people who said the same thing

"Everything that can be invented - has already been invented," - Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

"Inventions have long since reached their limit, and I see no hope for further developments." - Roman Engineer Julius Sextus Frontinus 10AD

etc, etc.

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I guess Dean never heard of quantum theory, nanotechnology or other developing technologies that are set to change the world in ways most couldn't dream of when the first transistor was invented that gave rise to the microchip and computer age.

Jack - More of an expert than Dean EVER will be in this field.

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01/31/2013 2:03 PM

Oops,,, may have spoken too soon there prof.....

headlines....

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Boy Genius, 12, Has Higher IQ Than Einstein, Developing His Own Theory of Relativity


Kristine Barnett won't soon forget the "most devastating day in the life" of her son.

Jacob, called "Jake," her then 3-year-old, had recently stopped talking and had been diagnosed with autism. One day, she dropped him off at a gymnastics class, and, when she returned to pick him up, Barnett, 36, says she found all the other students sitting in a circle, while Jake was curled up and cowering in a corner.

"It was the day I knew Jake would never do sports or be like other kids later in life," the day care provider and mother of four tells ParentDish. "My heart broke, thinking he would be trapped inside this forever and never be able to talk to us."

But today, 12-year-old Jake is studying electromagnetic physics at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis and has an IQ of 170, higher than that of Albert Einstein. And he's astounding university professors by developing his own theory of relativity -- they're lining him up for a Ph.D research role, Barnett, of Noblesville, Ind., says.

When Jake was 8, he jumped from fifth grade to college after teaching himself all the high school math classes -- calculus, algebra, geometry and trigonometry -- in one week and testing at college-level mathematics, Barnett recalls.

Recently, the boy has embarked on his own expanded version of Einstein's theory of relativity. Barnett sent a video of his theory to the renowned Institute for Advanced Study near Princeton University.

She tells ParentDish she fears that because Jake "learns differently than traditional students," he will become bored with university-level courses and says she hopes "someone will take him on as an apprentice.""...
http://www.parentdish.com/2011/03/30/aspergers-syndrome/

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01/31/2013 8:16 PM

Einstein's IQ was estimated between 160 to 180.

My dad was tested at 160+.

The highest IQ known is Andrew Magdy Kamal's 232.

However, these tests are pretty subjective, leading to believe that there is just too many subtleties to distill intelligence to a simple number.

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01/31/2013 8:44 PM

I have often thought about that as well. I have met many people who have had IQ's supposedly higher than mine yet very few have ever shown their supposed intelligence to be least bit practical in realistic applications or daily function.

Then on the other hand I have met as many or more people whom supposedly had IQ's lesser than mine yet they have never ceased to amaze me at what they know, understand, and can figure out!

All in all I think its just a number and its not what you have but how its applied that counts!

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02/01/2013 8:34 AM

Well I can't testify as to the accuracy of these tests, other than to say smarter people I know tend to have higher ones....and vice versa

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Well, when we stop to consider that these IQ tests are designed by the same sort of folks as made this assertion, that is, Expert Psychologists, why should it even occur to us to question these tests at all? These tests are designed by Expert Psychologists, are they not? And who determines these folks as having attained Expert status? Why, Expert Psychologists, of course! I know one personally, an Expert Psychologist. This one can't even bring himself to commit to the idea that child abuse is *wrong*. In fact, he seems unable to commit to anything at all. I finally asked him in a taped legal deposition if he could commit to stating his own gender correctly without hedging, and did he feel competent enough to do this for three consecutive days? Had to start somewhere, yet whilst keeping things nice and simple and straightforward. He was an Expert Psychologist, after all, and one must therefore make certain allowances...

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02/01/2013 7:04 PM

Any psychologist or psychiatrist I ever knew was a total flake....

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02/01/2013 1:10 PM

First of all, can you define intelligence?

You really need to adequately define it before you can measure it - assuming that you can find a objective way to quantify it.

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02/01/2013 1:16 PM

Well, whatever Intelligence is, I guarantee you that, at the very least, 50% of drivers on our roads here don't have it.

I want to make a bumper sticker which reads:

50% of all drivers are of below-average intelligence. Given that the Genius just passed, it's You.

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02/01/2013 1:37 PM

No no no. You don't understnd. New government guidelines in the UK insist that everyone must be above average in everything in order to be considered even 'satisfactory'.
But they are now at pains to point out that now 'satisfactory' isn't considered good enough.
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Here everybody is now a 'leader'. You can even get a PhD in 'leadership.' This naturally raises the question for drivers who have a clear view of my rear bumper: "If you're a leader, then what are you doing back there behind me?"

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"If you're a leader, then what are you doing back there behind me?"

Lapping you!

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02/01/2013 5:57 PM

But I'm still laid up with pneumonia, my car's been parked for three weeks now and yours is blocking my driveway (to answer both posts :). How's about lapping that tow truck I called? ;-))))

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50% of all drivers are of below-average intelligence. Given that the Genius just passed, it's You.

But what did the Genius pass?

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And were they going the same direction?

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I sincerely hope so. Especially if it were gas. :-@

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Gas, probably. :-))

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02/01/2013 6:59 PM

Well I would have to say it's the ability to acquire and store knowledge, then to be able to make certain assumptions from that information that enable successful and efficient completion of tasks that aid in your journey to seek to control your own destiny....

The wiki says...

"Intelligence is an umbrella term describing a property of the mind including related abilities, such as the capacities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, learning from past experiences, planning, and problem solving."

Dictionary says....

"The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."

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02/01/2013 8:29 PM

How about emotional intelligence?

My point is, that intelligence is a broad brush for many attributes associated with consciousness, which our understand of is still evolving.

I am not yet sure that we can simply assign a number or quotient to it and have it be something meaningful when we have such a limited understanding of the mind.

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Well I would certainly agree that an IQ number is not the be all and end all that it is sometimes trumped up to be....Motivation and discipline are certainly just as important... Emotional intelligence seems to be one of those measurements that was hatched in some psychobabble conference, which I would interpret as emotional maturity added with street smarts and self-discipline, all of which I would consider as valuable tools, and sometimes I might add, the most valuable...So my point is an IQ score is just one attribute of your ability, without other significant qualities, pretty much useless....The IQ score in the end seems to be a limiting factor, better to have a high one rather than a low one, but an average one with other outstanding qualities would probably produce good results as well....at least the potential would be there, who can say what path anyone will take, certainly not me....

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01/31/2013 8:12 PM

Fist thing is that this brief must have been written by an ignorant journalist. Simonton isn't saying there will be no more genius' but that there are no major discoveries left for them to discover. He offers the time distance since Einstein, but consider the time between Newton and Einstein. The goal of a unified theory is still there, the tie in of the quantum and relativity theories.

Until Einstein, Newtonian physics covered all that was needed and still does for all of us except those looking for weird particles. Einstein covered everything that Newton did and more. If we think of something akin to group theory, the Einstein group included the Newton group, who is to say that another, different theory will appear and have a group that includes Einstein and more, possibly lead to the Grand Unified Theory.

In order to make his statement, the Prof. must think he understands quantum mechanics and, as Niels Bohr told us, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics.

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...in the realm of psychology at least...

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Expert Psychologist is an oxymoron
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Given that it is a psychologist making these assertions, we can assume the Era of Genius Scientists is doubtless all but assured.

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Well, it's apparent that he never met any of you guys!

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If true, this observation would require true genius, thereby disproving his own theory.

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