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Genetically Modified Babies?

Posted December 23, 2016 12:00 AM by M-ReeD
Pathfinder Tags: Babies DNA Mitochondrial Disease

How would you like to “design” a baby? What if you could give the baby George Clooney’s eyes or Cindy Crawford’s…everything? While the science of making these “alterations” is limited, there is concern for that possibility becoming a reality in the future with a recent procedure being cleared for approval in Britain last week.

The fertility procedure, which is banned in the United States, is called mitochondrial transfer technique, or mitochondrial replacement therapy, and it helps to prevent children from being born with deadly genetic diseases. In particular, this procedure is an attempt to treat mitochondrial disease.

Mitochondrial mutations—which are linked to fatal diseases involving the heart, nerves, skeletal muscles, brain, liver, kidneys, and the endocrine and respiratory systems—are caused by defective mitochondria (small structures in almost every cell responsible for converting food into useable energy).

Mitochondrial flaws are typically passed down from the mother, which explains, in part, how this technique works:

The technique involves using a donor egg in addition to the mother’s egg and the father’s sperm. The goal of the procedure is to get healthy mitochondria from the donor. The donor egg’s nucleus is extracted and replaced with the nucleus from the mother’s egg—thereby getting rid of the diseased mitochondria.

Doctors from New York performed the procedure in Mexico and the resulting baby, born a few months ago in New York, is, by all accounts, healthy. The parents who participated in the procedure had only ever experienced having children born with extreme disabilities passed on from the mother’s mitochondrial flaws. For the first time, they have a healthy baby.

And while the headlines surrounding this story have largely been focused on the three-parent angle, the donor’s DNA will have no impact on the physical or personality traits of the resulting baby. All of the physical and personality traits still come from the parents and not from the minute amount of donor DNA.

So why isn’t this procedure approved in the U.S.? What gives opponents pause?

Ethical questions persist! Opponents typically object to the procedure because it deals with the manipulation of genetic matter. There is also concern over this procedure ultimately paving the way for genetically modified babies. That is, being able to select the physical traits of an unborn child.

Do you think this procedure could pave the way for genetically modified babies?

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12/23/2016 10:17 AM

Bad idea. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

I suppose sperm banks do that to a certain extent if you can shop for a good pedigree.

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12/24/2016 4:14 AM

Designing babies, particularly babies for populations in general at high volumes would be a very powerful tool and could get interesting quickly.

Navy Seals who could use their fin-feet to swim as well as actual seals.

A nice smooth unitooth without all the nooks and crannies and separate units that get food stuck and promote bacterial growth.....it works well for birds. Also the ability to grow another unitooth in a similar way to sharks regrowing teeth would be great.

A strong. prehensile trunk and/or tail could be very useful. Additionally the market for jeans and dress pants that accommodate tails and well as the market for trunk warmers would be totally untapped at first.

A third eye and ear and tiny hand-like manipulators located somewhere on the back of the head for engagement with a cell phone so that people can get the phone off the front of their face and be connected, would be excellent.

Echo-location and ultrasonic assessment and manipulation could also be quite useful.

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12/27/2016 9:37 AM

Can you genetically modify a baby so it will inherent a lot of money?

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12/27/2016 1:56 PM

Any person who has 'a lot of money' can do that. It doesn't necessarily require genetic modification, though. It can, however, require a significant sacrifice.

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12/24/2016 9:03 AM

I just thought that this technology might improve our chances to populate Mars with humans (or other living creatures), which has been a hot topic lately.

As long as it is regulated and it brings some benefits to the human race, these genetic mutations shouñd be fine.

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12/24/2016 10:05 AM

No comments necessary.

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12/24/2016 2:03 PM

Reductio as Hitlerum much?

That is one of the quickest exemplifications of Godwin's law I remember seeing.

At first blush it seems like a forceful way to argue. It is also tantalizingly righteous and allows a vicarious reveling in the triumph over the tyranny that threatened freedom. Yea for that nice feeling!

However, as a reasonable argument from which to proceed, or base decisions on, reductio ad Hitlerum arguments are just as unsuitable as other logical fallacies.

The Nazi party ran Germany....a sizeable country in which vast numbers of activities were undertaken even considering just the parts of normal activities. Throw onto that the fact that Germany was at the technological forefront in many fields and the list of activities occurring under Nazi rule increases by huge numbers Including introduction of novel new technology in many areas,

The Nazi party also did many things that are inherently deplorable as well as doing things that weren't necessarily deplorable (in and of themselves) in ways which were deplorable. It is wrong to disparage things that occurred under Nazi rule that aren't inherently deplorable, even if at that time the method was deplorable.

For the most part, reductio ad Hitlerum usually ventures no farther that reactionary rebuttals. Luckily we don't allow it to besmirch things like advances in fluid dynamics, jet engines, rocketry, exhilarating sports cars, and synfuels.

If something is really such a bad idea, and it cannot be done in good way, that should be a pretty straight forward argument to make without any claims the depravity of some of the people who supported the idea.

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12/24/2016 6:52 PM

Quite so.....besides this is much more about mitigating genetic damage from pre-existing conditions not building a race of superhumans....biologic melding with machines will take care of that....We are the Borg!!!

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12/26/2016 11:47 AM

What genetic piece of fluff creates this I wonder...?

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12/26/2016 3:01 PM

One possibility is gene FGFR3. she has practiced a lot, and the video could be underestimating he age due to her stature.

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12/27/2016 5:10 PM

Awesome....

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12/26/2016 8:20 PM

ow, I would not replace my eyes with that four eyes. No beauty at all.

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12/24/2016 10:52 PM

Perhaps you haven't seen the videography of Heidl Junge.

No matter how this works group tries, they can't remove the fact from history that a babe in swaddling clothes was born in a manger to a virgin.

Had her society the technology of control, it might have been a legal requirement to adjust the emaculation of his birth.

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12/25/2016 12:14 AM

'Heidl Junge'? Yeah. You've got me there. Haven't seen such a videography. Can't even find mention of it.

Would this person be related to Hitler's secretary Gertraud Junge? This seems like a good possibility, except it is difficult to understand confusing 'Heidl' and 'Gertraud'.

Perhaps after clarifying the reference, you will be so kind as to clarify your intent. The tone of your comment suggests you might be arguing that utilizing any nazi era German technological advances would be immoral.

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12/28/2016 9:50 PM

It's a trick sentence, it can't be answered. The tone,

If I say yes, then I might have a issue with jet aircraft or launch vehicles.

If I say no, then was there any point to my comment.

Everyone posts a comment on forums, no one is expected to explain their feelings on a subject.

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12/29/2016 5:04 AM

Every question could appear as a trick if you attempt to base your answer on all the possible reactions various answers might elicit.

Better to keep the emphasis on the validity of the answer itself rather than on how desirable the probable reaction to various answers would be.

At any rate, your feelingsaren't what I was enquiring about. I was inquiring about the intent of your comment. I am asking for clarification of your intended meaning as well as clarification of the reference you made.

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12/29/2016 11:53 AM

I made a mistake on the spelling.

It's should be Traudl Junge. She was actually born Gertraud Humps.

As Hitler's last secretary, she recorded his last will and testament.

It was interesting to note that after he succumbed to his self inflicted injuries, ( propaganda said he was Kia fighting the Russians) she said that she felt light.

In her memoirs, she said he did a lot of good things ( citing the creation of the autobahn ) but said that he did a lot of bad things too.

As someone who had a close working relationship, it appears that up to her death, she was still mesmerized with his charisma.

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12/29/2016 9:20 PM

Thanks for the clarification.

So your reference to Traudl Junge, is that intended to highlight an area of needed improvement (namely Traudl Junge's unwillingness or inability to describe her own feeling about Hitler in a way aligned with how everyone is supposed to feel about Hitler) that genetic modification might peruse?

Or are you suggesting that not everything Hitler did was bad and eugenics deserves another consideration?

For my part, I hope you intended it as an interesting bit of history (it certainly is that) reminding us that people and events are utterly complex and that nothing is so purely evil or good that anything related might be judged merely by association.

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12/29/2016 10:17 PM

I believe the intention of the lebbensborn department was to create Sargent's, like in the movie, " Soldier ".

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12/29/2016 11:07 PM

Ah, see the idea is not without value. We need something like this, but not necessarily soldiers. We need politicians and bureaucrats made like the movie you reference. They would know nothing except service to the greater good of the people....no outside competing motives.

I'm certain the male politicians would need to be castrated. In fact, there is no reason to wait on that aspect of the plan.

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12/25/2016 12:28 AM

'...the fact from history that a babe in swaddling clothes was born in a manger to a virgin....'

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'...the fact...'???

Use of the word 'fact' deserves more rigorous adherence to its proper meaning. It might be reasonable to say it is a fact that portrayal of an immaculate conception is a key theme in Christianity and some earlier religions that tries to establish godhood, of the child born since the birth is deemed miraculous. That is very different than claiming the described event is actually factual.

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In numerical computation there's a so-called truncation error. I wonder how error would turn up in this method.

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