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Obsolete Design Puts 1 in 5 Storage Wells at Risk A study from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health says that obsolete wells operate in 19 states, across 160 facilities, encompassing more t

Posted June 10, 2017 12:00 AM by Engineering360 eNewsletter

A study from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health says that obsolete wells operate in 19 states, across 160 facilities, encompassing more than half of the total working gas capacity in the U.S. These obsolete wells are at risk of leaks.


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06/12/2017 8:56 PM

As someone who has actually worked in the fraccing industry long enough to get a good understanding of at least the basic in and outs of things this is what bugs me.

The oil industry as a whole, like most every industry now, wastes enough money pandering to what-if worst case scenario prevention to pay for the vast majority of all the necessary upkeep, update and new systems installation work to keep such wells as the ones mentioned here down at near zero concern level issues.

The top waste of money in environmentalism is what's best described as EPT (Environmental Protection Theater) that is, that largely pointless theatrical work that serves no real valid purpose the vast majority of the time. It does not in fact help the environment but often does more harm than had it not been implemented at all because it's a useless concept put out in the actual environment that ultimately doesn't do anything too much of the time.

It looks like it might be doing something and in theory there is a very slim chance it could actually do something if a problem did occur but for the majority of the time it's just good money and resources on stupid purposeless displays of nothing of value.

Having the potential to prevent a what if, a barely definable scenario of extremely low probability of happening plus the low chance for its safeguard actually working correctly, placed back to back and all at a huge financial cost of money that could have been used to fix actual real known issues before they became worse.

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Re: Obsolete Design Puts 1 in 5 Storage Wells at Risk A study from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health says that obsolete wells operate in 19 states, across 160 facilities, encompassing more t

06/14/2017 12:42 AM

Honestly I think wells created before 1917 do pose a higher risk. On the other hand they have been operating longer than someone would expect or vouch for.

Safety is not a thing to be taken lightly. The two barrier method has merits to save lifes and prevent extensive losses.

The article does not deserve your rant as it is more focused on operational losses and not the environment, unless you count evacuation of cities to the environmental damage.

Overdone environmentalism is something that can be discussed but not on this, for my taste, good article.

But then it is me who makes money with risk mitigation and someone pointing out risks is doing development work for me!

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06/14/2017 6:33 PM

As someone in the what-if safety prevention and mitigation field, how much of what you do actually ever solved a real life scenario that had solid scientifically derived statistical data to back up its implementations and how much of it by the same solid scientifically backed statistical analysis says it wa a lot of time effort than money spent to do nothing over something that was very unlikely to happen?

That is to say, how much of what you have done actually has documentable proof it prevented something and how much of it could be seen as a lot of time, effort and money wasted on looking like you were doing something(environmental protection theather) over what was a statistically very low chance of ever being a problem to begin with?

REason I ask is we have a large road project going on here that directly affect me and my family so I spend some time with the actual supervisory people asking questions about such things regarding how studies being done to which they openly admit that as it is a federally funded job a good 10 - 15% of the total $10's of millions of dollar budget are wasted on stupid stuff that has absolutely no real valid environmental safety anyting to do with the work being done with it's being done.

It's all just show and financial waste that been forced into the contract by stupid government rules made by a handful of people that have no real clue about what they want VS where it actually best applies.

One item was a 'historical/archaeological study' that cost ~ $25 - $30K to have 2 guys walk around my families and neighbors property for a short day and visually confirm that there were no indian burial grounds or any other such historically significant points of concern on it.

A survey that covered less than 10 acres of affected land, land that they the contractors, county and state already knew had been disturbed years ago when the original road was put in plus covered places that have clearly been active farmland that ben plowed under at least once in the last 50 years since the last major roadway rebuild was done.

The only area of the whole land survey that was likely never disturbed is about an acre in area in a region of our county and state that is not known to have ever had any Native American ruins of any important considerable significance to begin with!

Now the reality is for that ~ 10 - 15% of the total budget for this road rebuild project being wasted protecting nothing from nothing that money would pay for about 1/3 - 1/4 of it of it to be properly paved 65 MPH rated roadway rather than staying loose gravel 55 MPH roadway as it started out as.

That's where my issue of where EPT comes across as a huge waste of good money on nad for nothing of significant equivalent value where it could have served a far more publicly beneficial purpose elsewhere.

That's the basis of the issue in the oil and other industries where huge amounts of money are being wasted largely protecting nothing of value and significance from nothing that could ever drastically negatively affect it if it did happen, rather than doing something, like fixing those documented and statically proven to be high risk wells, so that they don't become real and very costly problems in the near future.

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06/14/2017 11:21 PM

I see money being "wasted" Government and companies alike.

But as Energy money goes not to waste but it just changes hand and what is a waste on one side is a win on the other. The surveyor probably driving the Archeo-Ruins train with a light heart as long as the rules dictate to conduct such a study.

To digress here, money does not follow the rules of energy to always go from the higher state to the lower state. It rather seems the other way around. Wasting money seems to counteract this a little bit.

I am entirely biased on the safety prevention and mitigation field side , because I am making money with it. But I also do not think its wasted on some of such things. I would call it paying for awareness. Nothing sticks better than a price for your alertness. Shit will still happen, but at least they are more aware of it and at some point you might have to execute an emergency plan, which might shift more money from one side to the other.

It all depends which side you are on! With Government money wasted its all our money so it naturally is a bad thing.

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06/16/2017 4:57 PM

Sounds about right for a typical parasitic loss justification as someone who represents a point of loss and not a point of supply would give it.

The fact is right now financially too much is going out compared to what's coming in and it's largely the huge parasitic losses that are responsible for the imbalance to which of course all the parasites always feel their existences are justified even when everything says they are not.

I have no issue with money changing hands if that money given caries a fair work returned equivalency. However, given our obvious financial debt problem in this country obviously way too much money is going where it doesn't do any good and has given very little return for it.

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