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Texas Begins Revoking Titles for Dune Buggies, Sand Rails, and Other Kit Cars

Posted November 13, 2017 12:00 PM by dstrohl
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While Texas state officials claim to be looking into the matter, the state’s DMV has outlawed any rebodied vehicles and has started to revoke titles and registrations for dune buggies in the state, a move that has provoked Texan kit car enthusiasts to start lobbying the state to re-legalize the vehicles.

As far back as 2013, the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles put a halt to registrations of newly built dune buggies, grandfathering in previously built and registered dune buggies. While some owners of Volkswagen-based fiberglass-bodied beach cars reported success registering their kit cars under the donor vehicle’s identity, the state DMV in March 2015 adopted Texas Administrative Rule 217.3 (6), which explicitly made any vehicle “designed or determined by the department to be a dune buggy” ineligible for title “regardless of the vehicle’s previous title and/or registration.” The only other vehicles that, as a group, the Texas Administrative Code specifies as ineligible for title are race cars, off-road vehicles, and flooded cars.

Since the DMV sees these cars are solely for off-road use, and lacking in on-road safety, the vehicles exist in a current form of legal limbo.

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11/13/2017 1:36 PM

Buggy haters!! This is an outrage.....sue the DMV

Good place and time to go shopping for dune buggies though....

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11/13/2017 1:50 PM

It's too bad people cannot make the choice, i.e. safety features, etc. Seems strange for this kind of thing to come out of Texas.

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11/13/2017 3:12 PM

Well it doesn't seem to make a lot sense, I mean you have motorcycles all over the place, the buggies are certainly safer than that....You got yer rat rods running rampant, and yer too big trucks everywhere....seems pretty random to me....

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11/15/2017 2:51 PM

Why is that shocking, the Texas State Legislature has had a snake in the wood pile as speaker for several sessions now. I will let you search, but put in there Speaker Strauss. This smells like his handiwork.

Reminds of the football game where Jerry Clower was playing, and the referee threw a flag on his and New-Gene Ledbetter's team, and New-Gene popped off and said, "Hey ref, you stink!" Well, the ref was standing right there, and heard that. He walked on down another fifteen yards, and dropped the flag right there, and stated, "Hey New-Gene how do I smell from over here?"

This sets a bad precedent for anyone in the future that would make uni-chassis cars where you could snap on a new body for a different day's outing...

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11/13/2017 2:42 PM

I wonder what prompted this revocations. Unsafe kits,... or incompetent owners building the kits.

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11/13/2017 5:01 PM

I would not be surprised if the major manufacturers of new four wheel drive off road vehicles are behind the move to eliminate home built off road vehicles. Think what it might do for their sales! They just need to "support" the right politicians.

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11/13/2017 5:43 PM

I disagree, These kits are hobbies for hobbiest... if one were to buy a new four whee drive instead, those hobbyists would pass on it.

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11/14/2017 9:58 AM

Polaris hates dune buggies.

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11/13/2017 6:07 PM

If you have a dune buggy like that with Louisiana tags, would you be able to drive it in Texas? I would think yes because of reciprocity, but . . . .

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11/14/2017 1:04 AM

Here is the explanation for the new ruling :

While in some states there are extreme lefties, in others there are extreme righties.

According to this document, if you want to operate a recreational vehicle ( Dune Buggy ) you are S.O.L.

Then of course there is money and power.

You can operate a recreational vehicle on private property only if the local group of good ole boys says you can, if they don't, you can't.

And if you decide to any way, they will then proceed to ream you a new _ _ _ hole up the ying yang.

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11/14/2017 5:26 AM

When Texas makes a law its a joke, when they make a joke its a law.

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11/14/2017 5:39 AM

In 1971 I was following and retracing the original Butterfield Stagecoach Route across the southern U.S. on a Honda Scrambler motorcycle. It was largely an off-road trip. When in the middle of TEXAS I saw a policeman at a rest stop and I wanted to ask some questions about the old route and towns where local knowledge would help. I was immediately arrested for being a "Hell's Angel" because it was against the "law" to be one and the definition of one was someone who road a motorcycle and had a beard. I was NOT in any stretch of imagination a H/A. So after night in jail, a shave, $75 fine for court expenses and all my camping supplies thrown on the street... I was free to go, with a warning. Ahhh, Texas.

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11/14/2017 9:30 AM

If the question is 'safety,' the answer is 'insurance.'

The police and EMS crews have to clean up the mess when an accident scatters body parts all over the road. The state has already established different classes of vehicles, so just add another classification that requires additional insurance if a vehicle in that class is driven on a public road. An 'insurance rider' would be required that adds an extra level of coverage to pay X dollars for a private clean up crew to scrub the road after the police investigation has ended.

This could be combined with a higher tag fee to allow an 'off road' vehicle to be driven on the road.

Side comment: Most of the subdivisions near where I live have extra amenities for the homeowners. In some cases, there is a 'common area' that can only be reached via off-road vehicle, and homeowners have to drive their 'off road' vehicles on the subdivision's streets to get to the common area access road. In some other subdivisions built for pilots, the subdivision has a grass runway as the 'common area' and pilots have to taxi their planes on the subdivision's streets to get to the grass runway.

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11/16/2017 11:55 AM

Maybe all of this is because of rednecks taking their four-wheelers to the drive thru beer and liquor and mixed drink store.

This is usually followed by several rounds of "Hold My Beer, and Watch This!"

I vote for living, not just existing. When I say Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates, I wish to have at least something to say, other than "I put people to sleep in their pews."

Some of my driving has been known to induce spontaneous prayer sessions. That might rate me a silk rather than cotton robe in heaven, maybe even a gold harp, rather than a composite aluminum carbon one.

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11/14/2017 8:49 PM

Unsafe at any speed....

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11/15/2017 6:27 PM

Everyone dies, not everyone lives.

Looks like more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

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11/15/2017 3:29 PM

Ok, let me get this straight, you can have guns everywhere, but not dune buggies because they might hurt somebody?

I have yet to see any search result in Google, Bing, Or Yahoo that turns up "Dune Buggy used to kill dozens"... at church or anywhere else in the world for that matter.

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11/15/2017 3:51 PM

It is more to do with controlling recreational activities?? Maybe the dune folks were messing up somebody else's sandbox.

Either way, I expect this will become very unpopular statewide, as soon as the rank and file gets wind of it.

This needs to be turned around before a real ugly dune rebellion kicks in.

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11/20/2017 1:27 PM

So you can have unlimited automatic weapons, 'cos guns don't kill people... but you can't have a dune buggy...?
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11/20/2017 2:04 PM

I know....even 12 year old girls used to have dune buggies here. What is up with all this new Nanny State stuff in Texas. It sure does not belong here.

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