Fibers and Fabrics

Unless china is reigned in by the US they are only going to get more confident in their cheating ways and increase the levels of poisons and cheating in everything they do, just in order to make a few extra bucks. The worst instance I heard of recently they are putting lead in tea in order to increase the weight. So now chinese tea, which used to be one of the finest most respected products in the world, is totally unreliable and therefore unworthy of purchase and undrinkable under any circumstances. The chinese are becoming slyer and better at cheating and it is not worth putting your life their hands just so they can make a few extra dollars. Nothing from china can be relied on now and for generations into the future because their whole society is on a warped mission to make money at whatever the cost to US and other world citizens. Even their own, they don't care who pays. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510020008.html

This is not a new problem. American corporations should be held responsible for continuing to bring Chinese goods into this country.

I for one will continue to not buy Chinese goods.

"You get what you pay for" Share holders wanted cheaper..........they got it.

'If you want it done right you've got to do it your self"

Look, any old farmer with a 3rd grade education could tell us these things but we are to arrogant to listen. I hope this proves to be cyclical as other things have and American manufacturing will return to America where it belongs.

Everybody is bleating on about China.. what about the companies who order, specify, outsource these items.?

Don't they have quality systems in place? ...they are just as negligent as the manufacturers?

On another thread (Auto Brake Pad Selection) loads of US Guys are saying Ford brake discs always warp as if this is a big joke! If poor quality is a joke for Ford it's a joke for China.....

Big proffits and cheap prices come at a risk...so apply the necessary quality systems to ensure you are getting what you want.

Well said!

Del, your argument that the person who requests valid goods but instead receives poisons is as culpable as the supplier who poisons those goods is like saying a victim is as culpable as a mugger for just being there when that mugger felt like mugging someone. Civilisation depends on a level of responsibility towards decent basic standards and behaviours and the chinese simply do not have these. They are corrupt and they will not hold back from any twisted means to get their hands on our money, whether that is by adding poison to save on costs or not - THEY DO NOT CARE. Their campaign is driven by the beijing government who has instructed the population to do whatever it takes to get money out of the west and they've told them that they will not be punished whatever they do to achieve it. The chinese people are simply responding to their governments bidding and until we are all aware of this we will never be able to stop them. The only way to stop them just now since the suckholes Bush and Paulson have been bought off with kickbacks and chinese pussy is never to buy their junk. Can you name one chinese food product that you would buy and eat yourself, or one chinese toy that you would give to your kids and be sure it is safe? Are you as guilty as them if you fall victim to their deceptions?

I see your point... but it is an oversimplification.

If you go to a market stall and by something sight unseen..... caveat emptor.

We are talking about big companies in an industrialised nation that preaches 'quality control' and 'vendor appraisal' and such like then squeals when it is caught out penny pinching. These companies have buying departments, supplier audits and such like.

The guy I play golf with has just come back from a visit to China checking up on a tooling operation....Would you send a tooling job anywhere without checking up?

I think not.

As a comment on the rest of your content...

Your rant appears to be as much a product of negative propaganda as of fact...next thing you'll be calling them the 'axis of evil' blaming them for 9/11 and invading!

'Their campaign is driven by the beijing government who has instructed the population to do whatever it takes to get money '

That's a pretty accurate description of capitalism and how the USA grew....

Maybe I'll try a different explanation.

Their emerging industry is (for the most part) say 50 years behind the west. They will produce stuff like you were producing 50 years ago before many quality systems were introduced and many products were banned or even recognised as dangerous.

That's just how it is..Its not a fiendish yellow plot to kill Americans... you guys are sometimes just sooo paranoid and parochial.

It's a bit like going to France ordering steak tartare and then complaining it raw.

Wow, Del seems a bit over protective of chinese industry. Is there some financial interest there? I do not think that the Chinese government is necessarily promoting this behavior out of a few manufacturers, but they do look the other way on pretty much everything (This is why you never buy anything on ebay from anyone with a chinese email address). There is an expectation in most first world nations of a level of product safety that our governments are paid to oversee. I am not sure that it is the responsibility of the Chinese government to protect the citizens of other nation better than they protect their own, that is the responsibility of the governments of those other nations. If china has numerous safety violations, you stop trade with them. Because of the lobbying of a few interested corporate sales/marketing/management this sounds unfair, but keep in mind that we police items shipped in from mexico to make sure they meet our basic health standards, and even the mexicans know not to use lead in everything. Also, we do not trade with Libya and they were only trying to kill a few hundred Americans at a time 20 years ago, not poison hundreds of thousands of children. This is a spot where the US government needs to take a stand and stop trade with China, until they figure out how to meet minimum health & safety standards for products. This is why you vote third party also, since the democrats and republicans are notorius about becoming complacent unless there is a substantial third party threat (Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose Party are an ideal example of this).

The "union's" fault for demanding unreasonable wage's for unskilled positions and not allowing a" productive atmosphere" to exist. It's the government's fault, for not requiring a "level playing field" for company's doing business in America as far as taxes, safety standards,work conditions ,etc. It's business's fault for wanting to survive and stay in business. And it's OUR fault for buying this cheap ----.

If it's everyone's fault, then it's no ones fault.

Don't you get the feeling that old Winston was a big pompous and elitist. Of course Alcibiades is always a good example of why you should not have a true democracy either.

I respect the wisdom in Winston's Wit, not because it is pompous, but because it is so often appropriate. In my comment "everyone ... no one ..." I am noting the logical conclusion to the previous argument.

So often the words spill endlessly with no acknowledgment of the logical consequence. Can there be a world in which speakers listen to their own words and leap boldly to the logical conclusion that they imply? This behavior would be especially refreshing when the discussion gets political.

When I said, "and it's our fault for buying this cheap ----", I should have said "BUT it's our fault......." . The bottom line is, if we will buy it , it will keep coming. The government will never fix the problem as long as it can sell out to the highest paid lobbyists, business has to stay in business, but we can pay more and get safer products, plus we won't be funding the PRC military build-up.

Thanks for the clarification.

Indeed, you have made several excellent points. With your clarification, it comes together nicely.

I just hope everyone here remembers that China blamed Hong Kong for SARS when in fact the disease originated there, and that they exported preserved duck eggs, a Chinese delicacy, that have been contaminated with carcinogenic dyes to Asian countries. It is also a country where meat buns have been made from the flesh of executed criminals and even laced with opium to draw back clientele, and where the authorities covered up the news that food at a popular breakfast snacks stall had been tainted with rat poison, causing hundreds of innocent consumers to become sick. These are all matters that have absolutely nothing to do with Western capitalism, and everything to do with greed and corruption.