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Opting for Vista or Not?

Posted November 09, 2007 8:17 AM

I remember the big hoopla at the 2006 CES in Las Vegas with Microsoft's Bill Gates and others really hyping the new features. But as usual, inevitable delays on deployment developed. The eventual price surprised everyone — not to mention multiple versions. Today, who knows which one you need or even want for such a pricey program? So, if you have got Vista, which variation did you get and what's been your experience? Do you like any particular new features? Why? What do you think needs improvement? Would you rather stick with XP?

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11/09/2007 11:47 AM

NOT! I like my hardware/software to be "Leading edge, but not Bleeding edge". Vista is bleeding edge. Until an OS gets to SP2, I won't even consider touching it, it isn't stable enough.

I don't care if every office computer in the plant goes belly-up. That doesn't affect production. But if the plant controls network goes down, everybody from the GM to the janitor will be standing behind me asking; When will the system be back up?

My daughter has Vista, and it S**ks! Microsoft's focus seems to be "make it more user-friendly" - and less flexible. The OS is always trying to second-guess me, and getting in my way.

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11/09/2007 3:47 PM

Microsoft seem to have got the whole concept of Supply and Demand arse about face.

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11/09/2007 9:27 PM

Vista? No thanks.

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11/10/2007 11:53 AM

You are way too subtle man !

Windows for Work Groups : It was great at the time, but the irony of it's name was so badly missed.

I even hate XP with all its bloated 'user friendly' features, and default settings being set to 'security-zero'. What the heck was so bad with 98 ? I'm tempted to get me an apple come January sales fever. I can't explain further because I'm busy punching holes in bits of card, and the carrier Pigeon is drumming its fingers impatiently as it waits for urgent post. Whoever said 'you can't have too many passengers' !( Never mind, my ancestors probably did the Dodo . (I enjoy embarrassing my son on the dance floor).

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11/10/2007 11:59 AM

Punch cards ha ha... Man you should see my paper tape reader...and I get all that chad too...makes great itching powder!

I hear tell of 'magnetic media' yeh right whatever...it'll never catch on.

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11/10/2007 12:06 PM

Try Tesco in Cheriton SE Kent - one of theirs will swallow your piece like there's no tommorow. ATM's just ain't what they used to be. Put your vital plastic in and you'll get the bill months later.

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11/10/2007 10:20 PM

I remember doing tape teletype in the military years ago. 5 possible holes per line, and you could say everything that was needed to say (even with incoming mortar distracting your attention). The only pro blem I ever had with that system, what do you do with all the punched-out holes?

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11/11/2007 2:41 AM

Sell the bits as confetti (although requesting cards in an assotment of pastel colous may get you some strange looks at Stores) ?

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11/11/2007 3:43 AM

What stores?

Mines a Light and Bitter!

(Brit only joke)

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11/11/2007 3:53 AM

I'm heading off for Iceland at 10 this morning. With a bit of luck I can make it back here by tonight.

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11/11/2007 4:03 AM

Reykjavik?

No, she went of her own accord!

boom boom.....

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11/11/2007 6:17 AM

Reykjavik ? Surely that requires some Mitchell brothers.

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11/11/2007 6:21 AM

My brother had a job painting white lines in the road up near Manchester.

Altrincham?

No, just re-doing the same lines.

(Pls someone throw a bucket of water over me)

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11/11/2007 7:06 AM

Do Texans ask about the echo effect in Harlow ?

Let me drown myself in the bucket of water first !

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11/10/2007 10:14 PM

I still resort to Win 98 when I have serious work to do. Unfortunately, all my pigeons flew the coop- maybe I wasn't feeding them enough?

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11/09/2007 11:17 PM

I have noticed that, ever since Win 98 and Office 97, every upgrade I have looked at has increased the time required to accomplish the tasks I need. I still prefer my old Win 98 machine for real work- mostly because I have some old software and equipment that are incompatible with XP.I also have a couple of XP machines that aggrevate me no end. I have looked at Vista, and decided it does nothing to enhance my productivity- so when I needed a new laptop, I found an old machine still loaded with XP at a close-out sale. I ahave worked with a number of other XP units, and find that that operating system also comes in a bewildering multiple of versions. Now, the Palm OS- THAT is how an operating system should work! I can even interface it to some of the old equipment that won't work with my new XP laptop!

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11/10/2007 2:49 AM

have noticed that, ever since Win 98 and Office 97, every upgrade I have looked at has increased the time required to accomplish the tasks I need.

Ah so it's not just me then! Surely someone has told Bill this or is it always a case of the 'Emperor's New Clothes' ?

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11/10/2007 3:35 AM

Bought my new laptop, with Vista Loaded on it. Smoking deal. Crashes so regularly I feel like a test dummy. It does have many good points but stability is not one of them.

I liked NT4.5 but Vista at what looks like 5GB running on a machine 26 times faster than my NT machine just don't seem much faster and a lot less stable.

It does seem to be getting better but it is still beta.

To late I found out that my 2x64 bit processor is tied to 32bit hardware and I have a 32bit system. I'm back to building my own systems and unless MS cleans Vista up I'm going Linux where I can fix it myself, not be told a $100.00 per hr just to look at it.

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11/10/2007 11:37 AM

My wife's Windows XP box locked up so badly that it wouldn't boot. So I put my Kubuntu Linux CD in the drive, booted off that, and fixed the files on her hard drive that Windows had corrupted. Ironic, isn't it. I had to run Linux to fix Windows.

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11/10/2007 9:36 PM

I have a feeling if someone could write a solid OS and the software in assembler. Think one CD. The speed would be blinding. Gee that would be progress.

That would be the ultimate Hack.

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11/10/2007 10:11 PM

No, not ironic. Expected.

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11/11/2007 7:13 PM

My laptop (new last Christmas) came with XP-Home with an offer for a free Vista upgrade. In the end I wiped the drive after 5min and put on Fedora. Without the overhead of anti-virus and all the extra windoze stuff it motors along faster than our XP-pro workstations that (in terms of hardware) are leaps and bounds ahead. People walk up and ask if I'm running Vista or a Mac all the time! I'm no command-line guru so as the soon as the install and config could be done in a GUI I was converted and haven't turned back.

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11/10/2007 12:13 PM

I have used Vista and found it to be nothing more than BLOATWARE which slows down my machine.

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11/10/2007 12:23 PM

"What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away"

What came first: Bloated software that required faster processing and greater storage or faster processing and greater storage that allowed for bloated software?

Some time ago, I had to get some files off of my old 486, with 8 M memory. I was amazed at how fast it booted compared to my new laptop with 1 G memory and a 20X faster processor.

Progress?

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11/10/2007 7:51 PM

Progress!!! I think you got that one right!!!

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Re: Opting for Vista or Not?

11/23/2007 11:54 PM

Vista has problems other than being just Bloatware.

There are still major security holes and bugs.

There is also the problem of Vista calling the Microsoft Mother ship hundreds of times each day.

Details passed "up the chain" to Microsoft also includes information they freely give to their "Associates".

Details include exactly what programs are installed, version number, licence number, music on the Hard Drive/s, passwords in some cases, and so on.

The instructions for this data transfer are written many times, and interwoven into Vista, so that they cannot be gotten around, and still have a usable Operating System.

Here we have well over $60,000 at original purchase costs, of older software and Operating Systems, all now unused.

I don't intend to use Vista, ever.....

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12/30/2007 2:17 PM

i run vista ultimate on a p4 2.66 with 512 ram and have yet to see these fabled crashes evreyone claims to see it's been runing vista since beta 2 and the only compatibility issue was with aol something i had been looking for a good reason to get rid of anyway.

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