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Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

Posted November 06, 2006 5:57 PM by Roger Pink

In this two part entry, I will attempt to demonstrate the power of Lagrange's Equations by showing all the information they can provide, specifically for the Kepler central potential, by just knowing the energies involved. The Langrangian is defined to be:

L=T - U

where T is the kinetic energy and U is the potential energy of the system in question.

Using the Lagrangian, we can find the equations of motion for a system with the equation:

where L is the Lagrangian of the system, qi is a generalized coordinate (could be x, y, z, r, θ, φ, etc.), and qi' is the first time derivative of the generalized coodinate.

An example to get a feel for how it works:

Imagine a mass mass m moving at velocity v in a gravitational potential U(x) would have the Lagrangian:

L= K.E. - P.E. = 1/2mv2 - mgx

where g is 9.8 m/s and x is the distance the mass is above the ground. Lagrange's equation for this system is:

where

which gives us;

This equation is equivalent to F=-mg, the familiar equation for this sort of problem.

Orbits of a Central Potential:

A great example of the power of the Lagrangian is in calculating orbits. Consider a central potential U(r) and a mass m. Since an orbiting mass moves along a plane, we can define the kinetic energy to be:

K.E.= 1/2 mvx2 +1/2 mvy2 (In xyz coordinates)

The central potential is spherically symmetric, so it's probably a good idea to express our kinetic energy in spherical coordinates as well. That gives us a Lagrangian of:

(I used x=rcosθsinφ and y=rsinθsinφ to convert the K.E. to spherical coordinates)

Lagrange's equations for this system and coordinates are:

Using Lagrange's equations from above we get:

and

Already we have a significant result. Notice the the time derivative of the second result (mr2(dθ/dt)) is equal to zero. When something doesn't change over time, it's constant. This equation is saying the Angular Momentum of the orbiting object remains constant. Conservation of Angular Momentum comes right out in the equation. We'll call the quantity (mr2(dθ/dt)) = L (L is the usually symbol for angular momentum), so that now our second equation is dL/dt=0.

Next we'll use our constant L to help solve our other lagrange equation:

which becomes;

All I"ve done above is sub in L. Please note that the potential is now V(r) instead of U(r) (just changing variables, it means the same thing)

The equation above is in terms of time t and distance r. It is convenient to express the equation in terms of angle θ and distance r instead. To do this, we can change variables from time(t) to angle(θ) with the relation for L:

which gives us a new equation independent of time in terms of r and θ;

Using

and multiplying both sides by

we get

The central potential we're intererested in is the Kepler Potential;

Where k=Gm Which we can set up to solve for θ by substituting the Kepler Potential and differentiating;

which gives us a second order differential equation with the solution;

Where e is the eccentricity and θ0 is your starting angle (you've got to start measuring angle somewhere in the orbit) and θ is your finishing angle.

What does this equation tell us?

If e=0, that is eccentricity is 0, the orbit is circular and the cosine term goes away. This means the radius is constant, just as you would expect for a circular orbit.

If 0<e<1, the orbit is elliptical with maximum r (aphelion) when cos(θ-θ0)=-1 and has a minimum r (perihelion) when cos(θ-θ0)=1 so aphelion when (θ-θ0)=180° or 270° (nπ) and (θ-θ0)=0º or 360º (2nπ). So the distance from the center potential varies but the orbit is closed (repeats itself), just as you would expect for an ellipse.

So our answer in terms of r and θ seems consistent with what we would expect. In part two, We'll carve these equations up to get Keplers Laws and other interesting stuff. Hopefully part two will show why all this work in part one was worthwhile.

I needed a lot of help on this derivation. I'd like to thank the following websites from which I took pieces of the derivation above.

http://www.worldforge.org/project/newsletters/July2002/LagrangianP3
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336k/lectures/node80.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand's_theorem


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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/07/2006 1:39 PM

Wow Roger, this is a BIG mouthful!

I have done a similar thing, from a different point of view, for Keplerian and relativistic orbits in my eBook, based on Faber's and MTW's approaches. The Keplerian results look similar to mine, but I will need some time to draw the comparisons.

Great work, anyway!

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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/07/2006 1:57 PM

This is just the groundwork for part II. In part II of this (later this week), I'll try to pull out all the familiar relations regarding orbits including energy, area swept, etc. I think that stuff should seem more familiar.

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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/08/2006 7:25 AM

This is a great start - mathematically fine, but a bit bare-boned. So it depends who you are writing for - yourself and other active practitioners now, yourself when you revisit in a couple of years, or for more general "intelligent engineers".

Wikipedia, for example, takes about 12 lines to get to your second equation - and I feel that even this is might be better for revision than as a general introduction.

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11/08/2006 9:16 AM

Yes, I agree with you about this being a bit high level. I made the decision not to include all the steps to obtain the equation of motion because I didn't want to get bogged down in mathematical details. I wanted Part I to set the stage for Part II where I will try to show all the information that can be obtained from our resulting equations.

My goal is to demonstrate the power of the Lagrangian in determining the characteristics of a complicated system. Hopefully Part II will bring a lot of details of orbits to light, and having provided Part I, the reader will have some idea of where these details came from. I'm not worried about the reader being able to follow every step, as long as they understand the basics:

Given the Lagrangian, one can find the equations of motion. These equations of motion can tell you a great deal about the system.

This is not to say that I'm not concerned with the derivation being correct. If you see any errors, or feel any of the steps skipped are egregious, please let me know and I'll add the step or fix the error.

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11/08/2006 9:27 AM

Point taken, thanks. I hope many readers will see your contribution #4, so they can see the benefit of sticking with it.

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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/08/2006 9:37 AM

I'll be sure to include a similiar statement in Part II and I might try to explain my motivations a little better in the begining of Part I. Thanks for your interest and feedback.

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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/09/2006 7:08 PM

thank you very much for the nice topic.

could you please give us more references which discuss this topic?

thanks,

Tamara

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Re: Largrange's Equations and the Central Potential - Part I

11/10/2006 5:25 AM

Hi Roger;

i would like to thank you for your effoerts.

Actually, this is the best source I found that discusses the motion in a central potential. I'm really very interested in reading part 2. Can you please let me know when will you put it here? In the mean time, can you provide me with some simple sources and references that discuss Kepler's equations?

Thanks for your time,

Iscoravalis

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