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Why Grassroots Initiatives Can't Fix Climate Change

Posted May 19, 2008 8:52 AM

From Scientific American:

Have you heard enough already about global warming? It's so ... last year's news! Plenty of people are "doing something" about it. Becoming carbon-neutral has gone as mainstream as Girl Scout cookies; help is on the way. Can we move on, please? Unfortunately not. For all the consciousness-raising value of grassroots initiatives, the world is still far from squarely facing up to the issues. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama promise on their Web sites to reduce carbon emissions to just 20 percent of 1990 levels by 2050--a laudable goal. But because what matters is the load of greenhouse gases in the entire atmosphere, reaching those numbers would be hard, to say the least, for the U.S. to do alone.

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05/19/2008 10:59 AM

...would be hard, to say the least, for the U.S. to do alone. ???

Is this sarcasm??? I was under the impression from the media (so it could be wrong) that the US Government was doing sweet FA about global warming...or to be more specific was doing it's darndest to increase it's contribution to global warming !

I'd be only too please to be corrected on this.
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05/19/2008 11:59 AM

I think there is a lot of controversy on this. There are a number of countries that are doing nothing to reduce their footprint on the Earth and there a number of countries that are doing too much; to a point where their people are paying for it in a big way. Rohs would be but one example.

The trick is to find the right balance between good environmental practices and not causing economic chaos.

Politically, there are organizations and theologies that advocate enacting very stringent laws and regulation to the point of forcing the collapse of the free market under the guise of saving the planet.

This is nothing new and has been around since the 1960s. If you follow the money trail on those organizations you find their roots in anti-capitalism, which is really the desired end, not environmentalism.

There are two things we should be doing. One, understand the real problem. This is almost impossible and I contend it is by design. The real impact we have on the environment and the ramifications are just not understood, but we need to first understand the problem to make fact-based decisions.

Two, until we really understand the problem, we should implement restrictions and laws carefully. We can do things now that make sense environmentally, but we should not make changes that cause significant sociological changes or disturb the current markets.

If you want a good example of how bad things can happen when you try to do environmentally good things, look at current oil prices and the impact to food supplies to nations that struggle to feed themselves.

I don't see much relief with the current politicalization of climate and environment. The problem is, the truth is out there, but it doesn't serve the political needs, so it is the first casualty in this "war".

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05/19/2008 12:58 PM

Fair enough...

The more I think of it the more I completely disagree with the title of the thread...

Surely grassroots activity will be the driver of commercial ventures and will eventually tip the balance?

If supply and demand really works we will get our cheaper solar panels and workable electric cars ...ok the big breakthrough in batteries still isn't here but the effort being spent on looking for it is increasing ... hmmm my furry brain hurts ... must have a nap.

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05/19/2008 9:41 PM

Good answer. I recently received an email commending the Bolivian President for preaching socialism as a defence against environmental harm, a hilarious joke given the poor environmental record of Marxist states. The email came from the same conspiracy theorists I'm always slamming (it's mass email from an environmental newsgroup I subscribe to), which just goes to prove what their true agenda really is. It's not freedom of speech, social justice nor saving the planet that they really want, it's imposing Marxism on people who are understandably worried for their future.

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05/20/2008 9:35 AM

At least the grassroots have stopped just talking and complaining about it. The grass roots has realized that the "they" in "They aught to do something about that" is, in reality, the "they" who are doing something about it. It just so happens that I worked my entire life in the petrochemical and power industry. I am now retired and in my little way, I have become one of the grassroots "they". Or at least, I am trying. It just so happens that I live in the most polluted city in the most polluted nation on earth. The United States has just 5% of the world's population, yet contributes 25% of the atmosphere's pollution, and Houston, Texas, a outdated center of fossil fuel refining, has become the most polluted city in the United States.

Gosh, "They aught to do something about that!" Well, I am trying. I am active in CR4's sustainability projects and I am active in the United States national politics for the first time in my life, all at the GRASSROOTS level. Just keep in mind, we, in this nation, have a bloodless revolution built into our political system and we are deep into the process at this current time, to terminate in this upcoming November. Out with the old, in with the new!!

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05/20/2008 10:13 AM

I have become one of the grassroots "they".

Indeed, well done...
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05/20/2008 11:19 PM

Maybe you are talking about all that carbon that is in the gunpowder being used in Iraq? That's bound to be warming up the earth a little. And don't forget about China. They are the ones buying a lot of cars.

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05/20/2008 11:43 PM

StandardsGuy, And the fact that China is putting a new Coal fired power plant on line about once a month.

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05/20/2008 7:47 PM

I have read about grassroots, looked at them, and they don't show any alarm.

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05/24/2008 2:02 AM

Climate change is beyond fixing or stopping by humans. Our part in it is so negligible that if we all vanished tomorrow, the climate would still get warmer. "Doing something" is just a way to feel good, less guilty about existing.

Do what is economical to do if you want, but there are more important things to clean up. And since one volcano can put out more CO2 than Man does in a year, why not "do something" about volcanoes? Since you emit 2.5 lbs of CO2 per day by breathing, stop breathing, then you'll stop polluting and warming the planet. Side benefit; we won't have to listen to your nonsense. LOL

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05/24/2008 2:25 AM

'less guilty about existing...'

Hey.. nice phrase...I like it...thought provoking.
Now, about those Volcanoes... Can't we just turn the suckers up the other way?
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