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It's Dam Dangerous, America

Posted July 01, 2008 2:03 PM by Moose

"Let's be honest – there's never going to be enough money to fix all of the dams", counsels James Demby, a civil engineer in the dam-safety program for the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Unfortunately, Demby may be right. According to the 2007 National Inventory of Dams (NID), a study from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, there are over 82,000 dams in the United States. Of this number, nearly 12,000 are considered to be high-hazard structures whose failure puts the lives of 20.5 million Americans at risk. Repairing the most dangerous structures would cost $10 billion (USD) alone. Fixing all of the nation's 82,000 dams would cost an estimated $40 billion. That's only a fraction of the money in the 2007 federal highway bill, but as writer Ken Olsen explains, "no one drives a damn to work".

The Dam Government

State and federal agencies are responsible for the nation's highways and bridges, but the majority of dams are privately-owned. Then there are the 3,700 structures that don't have an identifiable owner. Groups such as the Association of State Dam Safety Officials are working to improve the safety of all dams, but 21 states still lack the authority to require the establishment of emergency action and evacuation plans. Some would argue that the avoidance of responsibility is part of a larger strategy. During the 1970s and 1980s, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers inspected 9,000 non-federal dams and deemed 2,900 of these structures unsafe. "The governors were getting a list of dams every 30 days that they should take care of," claims Charles Karpowicz, a former dam-safety inspector for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Unwilling to redirect tax dollars, however, the governors – claims Karpowicz – helped squash the federal inspection program.

Potential Dam Disasters

Today, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers operates 610 dams, many of which are over 50 years old. Six of these structures, by the Corps' own admission, are in danger of failure. These dams include Tennessee's Center Hill Dam and Kentucky's Wolf Creek Dam, both of which are anchored in eroding limestone. If either dam breaks, Nashville, Tennessee would be at risk. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has also classified another group of American dams as "unsafe or potentially unsafe". This category includes Dworshak Dam in northern Idaho, a concrete structure which is leaking around the joints and foundation. The collapse of the Dworshak Dam would threaten downstream communities such as Lewiston (population 30,904) and take 400-MW of electricity-generating capacity off-line.

Dam Report Cards

In its Report Card for America's infrastructure, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) gives better ratings to bridges ("C") than to dams ("D"). Meanwhile, because "no one drives a dam" to work, money for dam-inspection and repairs is limited. In an article for The American Legion Magazine called "Damned if we don't", Ken Olsen notes that Texas has just two engineers to monitor 7,400 dams. States such as Oregon don't fare much better, with two engineers responsible for 1,200 dams. Residents whose homes and lives are at risk are often unaware that their communities would be in the path of a potential torrent.

Resources:

http://www.legion.org/national/divisions/magazine/release?id=90

http://www.tec.army.mil/fact_sheet/nid.pdf

http://www.asce.org/asce.cfm

http://www.damsafety.org/


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Re: It's Dam Dangerous, America

07/01/2008 9:25 PM

Yeah I have admited myself it's does dissapointed for me too here absolutly, I did came from the caribbean which are pretty for many too, sure, but then again due bad ( admins.) situations is a no win for the very little ones like myself -'Unfortunatly' - many times, but still around to tell thanks to some others factors, I admited even. But as a little one sometimes you got the picture, it's like trying moving on a sand trap, can't win. Anyhow what may I tell ya', like many others just hang in there and wait for the best, keep on playing lotto once in a while, that's all we can do.

Is spooky for sure for who ever expected something better out of the picture. You know what I mean. Unbelievable stuff! Anyway good report Buddy... Something have to give eventually, Definetly. You have a good one now and easy does it for the moment.. Take good care all.

Damns Times,

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07/01/2008 10:37 PM

That is what thousands of us were screaming about when Regean started to rob these important groups like the Corp of Engineers to spend on weapons progams.

Bush just cut thier budget again last budget.

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07/01/2008 11:20 PM

And every time they put a new tax on fuel they tell us how the infrastructure needs the money. And every time they raise the electricity rates the infrastructure needs the money.

I sure wish these infrastructure people would quit wasting our money.

Oh, you say they never got the money? Well, where did the money go? They put it in the general fund so congressmen could throw lavish parties for all the high paid lobyists so the lobyists could tell the poor dim-witted congressmen where to properly spend that money?

Well, who would have thought we needed a second government to tell the first government what to do? Learn sumpin new ever day - doncha know?

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07/01/2008 11:48 PM

They is why other countries end up Nationalizing things like oil that companys make billions off but with bridery and cocersion get the lease realy cheap and those small south american countries get robbed of their natural resources.

You should read : Confessions of an Ecomonic Hitman

It is really good.

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07/02/2008 1:57 AM

"Let's be honest – there's never going to be enough money to fix all of the dams"

If this is true then why fix them at all? If the weakest link of the dam is owned by some one who hasn't pulled his weight concerning maintenance, all will get flooded. Fairy Land stuff.

The reason the water is rising in the first place is because its damed, damned to rise. I have no figures on quantity or dispersement area but common sense tells me that if you don't dam you will spread.

The building materials stored in the dams should be used to raise important infrastructure and the style, height of housing should be changed to cater for floods. Look longterm and stop pushing excriment up hill. If given its space, the water will not raise as high as it wood if damed (damned). Topology comes to mind.

If it is about smart investment invest in the future and stop fighting nature. Unless you pull at one string you will never win and will still be subject to week spots in the dams.

It's a "no hoper"

3,700 structures that don't have an identifiable

That is much more than I would have ever expected. If only 10% of these brake then work out what the damage is going to be.This damage would be less if the water wasn't trapped and unload its kinetic energy all at once or at least in concentrated areas, with catastrophic results.

Averaging out is the terminology that would cover it all. Get rid of all the "Deichs" as I would call them and leave their maintenance to the dutch. They have been trained since hundreds of years. By the most unforgiving trainer of them all: Mother Nature.

Better to live with the Devil you know

Than try really hard

But still not stop the flow

I'll be in my bunker and wait for the flak. Ky.

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07/02/2008 5:31 AM

The George H. W. Bush (CVN 77) aircraft carrier recently rolled out a shipyard at a cost of approx. $5 billion. That doesn't include the running cost for the next 20 years.

That would have been half the money required to repair the most dangerous dams.

But hey, preventing disasters that may not happen for 10 years yet isn't good press. It's all about who has the biggest $%£$.

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07/02/2008 10:26 AM

Corruption at all levels, who to believe with what? That's the problem is not because of greediness and corruption and the like it are the only factors but Is a 'Hard Damn' time like said and very unfortunate such a thing are plaguing our country at so many renglons of living that is incredible. And the bad news are that this greediness and corruption plague stuff is not only between the goverments globally or locally but at individual level as well. As a bi-product. It's just doesn't make much sense. So by the time goverment keep on debating budgets on capitol here and there and the likes the communities are continuing struggling on the streets on survival modes. The way they learned from their 'superiors' of course but not in white papers only but with a different approach, and no in the best procedures all the times, which is very sad to say in general and not so healthy in the meantime.

See, what any smart result I will expect from a community that are constantly struggling within poverty issues of survivar mode when the leaders are in a constant trans of debating budgets for any single reason? Look the money is there since centuries ago but the will to 'make a change' are the missing ingredient into such formula. Unfortunatly is some how like an established balance to keep things the way they been or worst if possible which will be a good assets for some, think about it.

It's a Big dog eat Smaller dogs situation! The Big wants to continue Big so is in command and in a good spot to keep on eating more bit-up smaller doggies all over the place. Now who's those Big dogs representantives are? Many. Goverment from top to bottom. Insurances companies. Corporative Empires. Etc. You name it...

So is a real -MURPHY LAW- school even if we doen'st like be in it. What we can do?

Is a 'no win situation' my man, the system are the way it is to favor some and destroy the rest. What other explanation we may come out about it?

You got the picture, Greediness-Bigger and Biggest-Smaller and Smallest-Murphy Law-Corruption-System-Setups-No Win Situation-Etc. Enough with the story I get to hit the road back to the grind. See ya' later Buddies, hang in there and no rush into nothing yet. Have a cool one.

Hot Doggie day Here,

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07/02/2008 9:39 AM

State and Federal government have eminent domain to take lands or dam sites, if the sites (owner known or unknown) are not properly maintained, then decide if there is a public good (drinking or fire water reservoir or recreation on the lake created). If no public good is served, then dynamite the dam in stages (as required for flood control) to remove the impoundment. If there is a known owner, give them one year to present a plan and a non-extendable three years to accomplish all structural and flow control (gates, etc) repairs or remove the dam according to an approved plan.

Funding, there is local, state and federal government, the Sierra Club, and organizations that oppose dams that can all contribute to most benefit/least cost solutions.

The public good dams, such as drinking water reservoirs the government body benefiting should be required to take legal control and financial responsibility for the dam site (they can panhandle other parts of government for funds).

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07/02/2008 7:40 PM

It's one of those 'strange but true' coincidence things ; flooding has been a major topic of interest for some time now in the UK ( source = rivers, problem compounded by poor drainage) . Recently it was announced that a large number of dams are at the limit of structural safety. To make matters worse, there seems to be a policy of building new housing on known flood-plane areas. UK dams are not of a height that would be seen in the US, but if one fails, you are sure going to be in trouble downstream of it if the thing fails.

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Re: It's Dam Dangerous, America

07/03/2008 11:03 PM

Could we cover the expenses by retrofitting the non hydroelectric dams with micro hydro systems?

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Re: It's Dam Dangerous, America

07/03/2008 11:58 PM

In a perfect world maybe.

In the real world, however, by the time the cost/benefit analysis, the enviromental impact studies and report (at least 500 pages each), the wrangling between the various branches of government involved (where the whole thing can get shelved at any point), the bidding process (with somebody's cronie getting the job), and the whole thing turns into such an expense it would be cheaper to start fresh.

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