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if you care to contact the communications director at the dallas texas base of the assocaited locksmith of america or the institutional locksmiths association you will be informed this is a project those volunteer unpaid groups have been pleading withMANY states to force regulation of that type of relationship enacted into law for years.

thanks for the post, the late jerry callahan would have loved to see that in print, i can only imagine how much padlock punch will flow when sal scalizzi over on staten island hears about that novel idea.

thanks for the post.''da ber

Sure, we're certain that those kevlar vest wearing security fascists will be adding value right away on issues of lockout tagout, hazardous energy control, ergonomics, etc..

Right?

However, I am certain that safety engineers who are professionally trained on guarding of equipment can figure out containment and exclusion issues. and pass a concealed carry handgun permit test.

What's supposed to be the advantage besides reducing payroll G&A expense?

Why not put whisk brooms on their jack boots and they can replace the cleaning crew too?

Just because some idiot thinks this stuff up doesn't mean you have to publish it.

What part of professionalism does this idea purport to serve?

milo

kevlar vests? lockouts? fascist activity? lockout tag out? jack boots & cleaning crews? what planet are you on?

for my own and possibly other interested readers will you PLEASE relate your personal experiences through which have you have ex imagina developed a concept ALL PROFESSIONAL LOCKSMITHS can be classed in a category of trades or profressions anywhere near the category of trade or life style your rantings indicate THEY belong in?

many life safety and or security engineers begin and continue acquiring their knowledge through hands on training while freely exchanging information about security related problems and issues at the annual A.L.O.A. and I.L.A. conferences they attend. will you defend your thinking that you have a right to label the same security engineers attending the really big one, the m.l.a.g.n.y. convention as members of groups you deem as being fascist, + + +, unable to acquire a gun permit?

if you were allowed in the secure areas of the base a visit to newport news may allow you to develop a change in your position, but then again reading post, perhaps not.

i ask you to, please, clarify what paragraphs 4,5,and 6 are intended to present to readers

as for publishing the words of a idiot ranting your choice of words elegantly appears to summarize your thinking style.

'da ber

Not talking about locksmiths, talking about security guards. And their management.

Steel plants are my experience. Gary indiana. Lorain Ohio. Harvey Illinois.

Lockout tagout is an important safety concept for control of hazardous energy.

Its a SAFETY not security concept.

Jackboots and Kevlar vests, You clearly have no idea what the security function was like in the steel industry back in the day.

But for sake of discussion, i will give up my ex imagina security guard bash.

(I Like your use of the ex imagina term.)

So given the idea that somehow professional locksmiths are now the panacea for industrial safety, where does that come from again? WHat is the fount of their hazard minimization knowledge, their intuitive professional knowledge of the relevant OSHA code, their understanding of process, process control, and hazard analysis? Their detailed knowledge of chemical and energy hazards? Safe work procedures involving high temperature and highreactivity substances. Industrial hygiene? Industrial exposure limits and toxicology? Pertinient environmental rules as might be applied to the safety of the public and the employees.

I've been around or on Fatality investigations (lorain ohio, USS 1982 or 1983.) and Harvey illinois (early 1990's) The security guards contributed nothing to the work. The investigation involved plant superintendent, departmental chain of command,Corporate SAFETY PROFESSIONAL(s), and Corporate management rep. Plus OSHA guy. We never thought of asking a locksmith.

I like locksmiths. I have called them in to change tumblers. Never to consult on safety.

milo

So what exactly is the safety contribution a professional locksmith brings to an industrial setting over and above that of trained safety professionals and the process experts?

Sure why not add Q&A while you're at, the cost of security will escalate or the safety bar may droop.

Makes one wonder why they were separated as specialties in the first place?

Shhh! No critical thinking.

milo