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Lorentz Symmetry Still Holding?

Posted January 25, 2009 11:00 PM by Jorrie
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Lorentz symmetry says the laws of physics remain the same for any two objects traveling at a constant velocity relative to one another. For example, an apple dropped from the height of 1 m in a moving train will take the same time to hit the floor as an apple dropped 1 m at the side of the tracks.

Physicists in the US have proposed a new way of testing[1] the veracity of Lorentz symmetry, a fundamental tenet of Einstein's theory of relativity. They believe that careful observation could reveal tiny differences in how a body falls to Earth, depending on the time of year the measurement is made. If verified experimentally, such observations would indicate breakdowns in Einstein's theory and provide important clues in the search for a theory that unifies quantum mechanics and gravity.

Previous tests include "clocking the direction of space"[2]. The breaking of Lorentz symmetry can cause different points in space–time to have a preferred direction (red arrows). If the direction of space is the same at all points in the Earth's orbit, experiments on board the International Space Station (ISS) should be able to measure the magnitude of the Lorentz-breaking effect. For instance, the orientation of atoms in an atomic clock on board the ISS (blue arrow) will change with respect to the red arrows as the ISS orbits the Earth. This would modify the energy levels of the atoms and therefore cause the clock rate to change cyclically. So far, no noticeable effect has been found by such tests - hence the new proposal noted above.

I must make it clear that Lorentz symmetry does not hold over extended areas in the presence of normal gravitational fields, where it only holds over infinitesimal areas, usually stated as "the laws of physics are locally Lorentz". To understand this better, consider a hypothetical train running at an extreme 5 km/s along a perfectly "straight and level" track, i.e., following a great circle on Earth's surface. Clearly, there will be a centrifugal force inside the train working against gravity,[3] resulting in the apple taking longer to fall the 1 m relative to the train and hence Lorentz symmetry is violated.

The "clocking the direction of space" test mentioned above is also an "extended area" test, but the periodic deviations due to the slight ellipticity of Earth's orbit are easy to compensate for. Besides that, nothing has been detected so far.

Scientist Kostelecky now talks[1] about dropping masses from towers or balloons in different seasons. I'm not sure that these would qualify as "infinitesimally small, locally Lorentz" experiments, though. I suppose one can correct the results for all the standard violations of symmetry in a gravitational field and see if there are any residual discrepancies left. Those might then be the effects that Kostelecky and his team are looking for.

I won't put much money on them finding anything, but who knows?

Notes:

[1] http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/37295 (to read may require a free subscription to physicsworld.com)

[2] A more technical (in-depth) article on Lorentz symmetry at http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/19076

[3] The centrifugal acceleration will be ~ 0.4 g, leaving a net downward acceleration of ~ 0.6 g relative to the train.

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01/26/2009 11:26 PM

"They believe that careful observation could reveal tiny differences in how a body falls to Earth, depending on the time of year the measurement is made."

Could it not be approached as a fundamental Newtonian Three Body Problem where the difference in time of free fall is caused by the slight seasonable variation in the sun vector angle? Would this slight change in sun vector angle translate to a slight change in the vector sum of the two accelerations acting on the falling body?

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01/27/2009 1:55 AM

Hi Gavilan, yes, the effects that you are referring to will be there, but they are standard Newtonian stuff. These guys will correct for every known effect and then see if they can extract anything else from the inevitable noise. If they find anything, it will be non-Newtonian and non-Einsteinian.

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01/27/2009 6:28 AM

Hi Jorrie,

These guys will correct for every known effect,what about the ones they miss? the differences would be so small I doubt they could pin things down to a specific reaction.

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01/27/2009 8:48 AM

Hi Garth, you wrote: "These guys will correct for every known effect, what about the ones they miss?"

That's exactly the ones they are after - the ones that the standard theory misses!

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01/27/2009 3:12 AM

Hallo, Jorrie. Nice example in the 4th paragraph about the Lorentz symmetry violation. But, anyway, in this example is also clear that we don't have objects with constant velocities relative to each other (meaning the apple inside and the apple outside the train).

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01/27/2009 8:45 AM

Hi George, you wrote "But, anyway, in this example is also clear that we don't have objects with constant velocities relative to each other (meaning the apple inside and the apple outside the train)"

True, but if we test over small enough distances, the relative velocities of the apples will be very close to constant, i.e. "locally Lorentz".

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