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What Can You Tell Us About This Motorcycle?

Posted August 13, 2009 12:01 AM by dstrohl

What we can determine from the limited information available about this motorcycling relic on display at Rhinebeck is that it's a hillclimb bike from the ancient past. The chain explains that – even in upstate New York, nobody rides a motorcycle in the snow.

You're the engineers. What can you tell us about this cycle?

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08/13/2009 10:24 AM

It would never pass the NTSB or the new jersey inspection!

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08/13/2009 10:35 AM

In the full article the images are bigger and you can see the exposed chain and exhaust waiting to destroy a rider's legs....brutal.

It also says we Upstate New Yorkers don't ride motorcyles in the snow. That's easy enough to tell from this pic. There isn't a plow blade on the front. Install one and then it is ready for Upstate New York.

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08/13/2009 8:11 PM

I have heard of racing motorcycles on snow and ice. Long ago some of the "brutal is ok" people would put roofing nails (1"x1" square head) through the tire from the inside out. Put a bunch of them in the tire and you have a homebrew snow tire. Lay a wide strip of leather inside the tire, carefully install the tube (don't let the leather slip out of place) and fill the tube with air. I'll bet that the nails got trimmed down so they would not go through a riders set of thick leathers.

The lack of fender and chain guard looks very brutal. The chains for riding (off road and not very fast) on snow and ice look pretty reasonable.

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08/14/2009 1:12 AM

It is a hill climber for sure. The extended rear wheel, tire with chaining and rear fender positioned and chopped as it is, pretty well expresses that. Plus, lack of snow

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08/14/2009 10:47 AM

My grandfather was an ice bike racer in the 50's and 60's, mostly in NH. While Im sure some people used nails, screws were the perfered means of obtaining grip, because they were easier to install and had less of a tendancy to back out.

This is most definately a hill climb bike. It is a Dayton, circa 1916-ish.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/vintage-classic-antique-motorcycles/images/hill-climb.jpg

This would appear to be the same brand of bike shown above in action. Notice the gear shifter and primary cover, as well as the location of the gas tank relative to the "backbone" of the bike. Its interesting that the bike in the vintage picture has a full length rear fender and a chain guard. Thats probably how it came from the factory, and these items were removed/modified by the racer.

Dayton bikes were produced by the Davis sewing machine company in the early 1900's. The parent company eventually became the Huffman Manufacturing Company, which eventually droped production of morotcycles and focused on Bicycles.

This beautiful antique is the corporate ancestor of the Huffy Bicycle.

Here's another picture of the same bike shown above: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SFg349NuO8I/AAAAAAAAPyI/6rG1jXBjZ1o/s1600-h/DSC_0070[1].jpg

My eye is drawn to the semi-eliptical gear at the center of the picture. Having a fixed rear axle, Im guessing it was used to tension the chain. The name "Old Black Joe" was likely some sort of sponsor.

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08/15/2009 7:47 PM

Hi, Guest...most interesting. Just curious: What ever happened to Huffman company (or its brands: Huffman and Huffy)? I realize that Huffy's are still sold as mid and bottom end products (that no longer bear the nameplates, Huffman); but I understand it's no longer Huffman that does the manufacturing? True? Or not?

So does Huffman still exist as a going concern? Or as something else or part of something else.

I'd sure like to know because Huffman Company should have paid me (and I'm sure lots of other people as well) tons of money (apart from wrongful death damages) for ( or due to) injuries caused by (serious design flaws/product defects in) their bicycles.

I've often wondered just how many others were seriously/permanently injured/disabled from riding Huffman bikes (mostly around the '60s-70's. And what percentage of those were ever compensated. And whether or not Huffman "disappeared" because of actual and potential product liability claims.

Thanks...

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08/14/2009 11:02 AM

Ice racing over here (Montreal, Canada) is usually done with self-tapping screws used in the ventilation industry when done by the amateur (see pic). They install the screws in the big/thick thread of a motocross tire. They also sell pre-studded tires (pic 2) if you're willing to put the money into it. Both will achieve something seen in pic3 at dizzying speed.

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Re: What Can You Tell Us About This Motorcycle?

08/14/2009 11:08 AM

The two tins must be for the bruises on riders back after a chain break.

What would it do on sand in the desert?

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