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How Would You Repair It?

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03/16/2016 10:23 PM

I'd just lay some 2x6 lumber across then top with 1" plywood.

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03/16/2016 11:08 PM

A picture like this is hard to scale, but the gap looks like a good 30 feet or more, which will need greater beam depth to span it, no matter what material.

I wouldn't be surprised if I have driven this road at one time or another, but it would have been ~30 years ago.

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03/18/2016 12:44 AM

Across what? There's no support left! It looks to me like they need to drill down to bedrock, but who knows how far that is.... It may not be stable for drilling 'till summer.

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03/16/2016 10:31 PM

Bailey bridge, maybe.

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03/16/2016 10:38 PM

I'd get some high explosive and blow the mountain above the road, bring down enough material to fill in the hole....

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03/16/2016 11:48 PM

Step 1) Fire/impeach Governor Brown

Step 2) Fire Caltrans upper management

Step 3) Restore all the highway funding Gov. Brown used to balance his budget

Step 4 Use the restored funds to bore tunnels 3/4 mile inland of the slide area

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lantos_Tunnels ( Devil's slide area)

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03/17/2016 12:01 AM

Californians, just like granola: Them that ain't fruits or nuts is flakes.

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03/17/2016 12:19 AM

Thats why I make a point to stay out of the Bay Area, you find all the above and then some. And now that mom is gone and the salmon is starting up the Columbia River, I too will be gone

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03/17/2016 12:25 AM

James Buchal's "The Great Salmon Hoax" might shed some light on this. In any event, return of salmon runs is good.

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03/17/2016 12:30 AM

After taking some time off from CR4, I'm glad to some s*** never changes, huh?

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03/17/2016 1:14 PM

Correction: Gallagher

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03/18/2016 9:46 AM

Well, put, however, that joke probably needs to be retired; the 'fruits,' the LGBT community, really shouldn't be referred to with that term. It parallels the use of 'the n-word' to describe blacks/african-americans/americans of african decent/whatever term the individual prefers.

It's a Strange New World we're living in now, where people are supposed to be free to determine their own identity instead of being forced to conform to 'traditional' roles, many of which are quite offensive in their implied subservience. It's strange, terrifying, confusing, and really quite wonderful.

But that's just my own caffeine-fueled, bird-brained opinion, isn't it?

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04/07/2016 2:52 PM

Sounds to me like you are about up to "here" with Jerry Brown. I am from Texas, never had him in office here, but hate him anyway. He looks like a wharf rat.

Solar Eagle has your answer: Use lots of explosive with lots of "heave", and move that mountain over a little bit.

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03/17/2016 1:49 AM

The hill to the left in the top pic doesn't look all that steep, so just move the roadway to the left a tad and install some decent piers and gabions to prevent further collapse

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03/17/2016 7:29 AM

wow, with the terrain and the soil composition..... I as a layman would treat it like a beach, and fill it in with rip rock or demolish cement slabs. as well as around it....

And look at the drainage from the mountain or hill side next to it.

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03/17/2016 8:26 AM

Has this collapse been in the making for a while or was it sudden, e.g. could Caltrans have done something to prevent it? I realize that question will turn into a great straight line for some folks .

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03/17/2016 9:26 AM

they've had big rains, this is just one result

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03/17/2016 1:24 PM

Ugh, be careful what you ask for ... I guess one collapsed highway is the price of rainfall.

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04/07/2016 2:57 PM

Yes, CalTrans could have done something to prevent it: I.E. do not ever construct a road in that manner, especially not in that location. Any engineer who would come up with something goof ball like that in Texas would be tarred, feathered, drag-hanged, and horse-whipped before sunset. I will leave the rest off for now.

Those "derogatory term inserted here" folk in Californicata need to get a few clues, but calling them fruits and nuts and flakes just gives food a bad name.

Having said that, I have nothing against about 99% of Californians, who are some of the hardest working folk on the planet. It is just the lazy azzed morons running the place that deserve the boot!

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04/07/2016 6:55 PM

Cal-trans let it deteriorate to the point of failure, that way they get the big kick-back money from the contractors hired to do the repairs. The Oakland Bay Bridge is a prime example! It's disgusting!

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03/17/2016 9:37 AM

I'd start with a soil engineering report..............

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04/07/2016 3:15 PM

Too bad we don't get to mark "damned good answer"!

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03/17/2016 9:48 AM

I'd build something similar to the Linville Falls Viaduct (on the Blue Ridge Parkway).

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03/17/2016 11:37 AM

It looks as if they were trying to protect the endangered rock formation.

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03/17/2016 12:04 PM

Repair what?.... these roads remind me of home..... heeee haaaa

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03/17/2016 1:21 PM

I'd start with this builder, but request a change with respect to the location of the garage doors.

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03/17/2016 1:46 PM

The Bridge of Madison County?

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03/18/2016 5:58 AM

The Proby drawbridge engineer decided to go it alone.

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03/17/2016 2:50 PM

Folding mobile bridge MVEE

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03/18/2016 6:01 AM

Budget cut meets erosion cuts.

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03/18/2016 6:10 AM

Fill in the gap with all of the Bull S***e from the politicians,and surface it with their hard

heads.

The BP weasels will have a place to burrow into,and the hot air rising will keep the road

ice free in the winter.

Don't worry about the skunks in the area,they will get used to the smell after a while.

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03/18/2016 9:47 AM

Look at it as an opportunity for a transportation company. Hire drivers to shuttle people back and forth between the gap and their destination... after you create Lyn's 2x6 and plywood bridge for them to walk across!

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03/18/2016 11:21 AM

Dig it out and re-instate at a lower level.

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03/18/2016 1:02 PM

I would cut into the hill and fill whatever got washed out. I'd have berms to take the runoff to a drainage structure. If the hill is too steep to cut, then build a structure to span the washout. Build retaining walls as required and plenty of drop inlets behind the retaining wall. As an alternate, put some big pipes in the washed out area. Fill in with cut from the hillside. Build berm along the hillside and provide plenty of inlets to drain the water to the pipes. Use lots of concrete riprap.

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03/18/2016 2:36 PM

It looks like you can't get there from here.

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03/18/2016 3:18 PM

Repair what?

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04/07/2016 2:57 PM

Great, ANOTHER Top 10 list that puts my home state to shame.

Worst roads, most corruption, these ARE NOT things to be proud of.

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04/07/2016 3:01 PM

Only the result of corruption.

Your state has a chance, but it won't come from Chicago.... Only corruption comes out of that town.

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03/19/2016 6:53 AM

Obviously the result of very poor drainage and underdrainage of the underlying soil matrix.

Improve those two items and the problem is solved.

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03/19/2016 7:08 AM

....do nothing...just add it to the pothole repair list....and wait for complaints to prioritise the work....that's the UK approach...

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03/20/2016 2:35 AM

That's what they did with the Mam Tor A365 between Chapel-en-le-Frith and Castleton, Derbyshire. No sooner as it was repaired there would be yet another landslip. The hillside it went across was shale so about as unstable as you could get.

Mam Tor is known locally as the "shivering mountain"

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03/20/2016 9:25 PM

Build a glass bridge over it and charge tourists to walk across!

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03/20/2016 11:20 PM

Put up a Bailey Bridge. Available up to and beyond 180 ft, can be constructed by minimally trained personnel and quick to put up. They were strong enough to carry Sherman Tanks during WW2. Certainly not a new fangled device that has to prove itself!

Although Ike said it was one of the three most important devices that enabled us to win the war in Europe during WW2 (put together with ordinary soldiers) something this simple might be too much for Cal Trans.

They are well proven and are often used in the US for emergency temporary bridges or repair/construction of bridges. Local to me one was used for over 2 years while the adjacent bridge was removed, repaired and reconstructed (historical bridge). When that was finished the people wanted the Bailey Bridge to remain and close the repaired bridge.

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03/21/2016 8:41 AM

Why would the Government want to quickly put up a very useful Bailey bridge to assist thousands of travelers going about their valuable and profitable business ? - when the bridge can be sat idle in a depot somewhere doing absolutely nothing.

Is it not better for the Govt. to have thousands of inconvenienced commuters made aware of tax shortfall instead.

Personally, I would fix it pronto by whatever means available - but then I'm not in charge - am I!

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03/21/2016 11:05 AM

Very true. Maybe it would put some politicians out of work.

The only objection I have about the Bailey Bridges is sometimes the "engineers" don't think about anything other than the assembly of the bridge. Was driving my Triumph TR-6 yeas ago and came up to one to cross. The approach ramp looked very steep, especially where the ramp met the bridge. I gingerly approached it but that was too fast. The car got hung up on the ramp/bridge transition. Wedged solid. Fortunately when I got out I put the parking brake on. Without my weight the car raised up enough to clear the ramp/bridge transition.

Got the passenger, the wife, to get out, put the top down so I could reach the parking brake lever without sitting in it, released the brake slightly and watched as this slowly let the car roll backwards till it cleared. Other choice would have been lift the front end a little by muscle power and have the wife put the brake on from inside when it cleared. She would be the last choice I would have considered.

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04/07/2016 3:03 PM

"Maybe it would put some politicians out of work."

Speaking of putting politicians out of work, don't forget to go out and vote, even in the primaries (if they haven't already passed in your state). The primaries are where a lot o local elections take place, so get in there and vote the idiots out of office, ant put someone more competent in their place, like an autistic chimpanzee who's blind in one eye and dying of rabies.

(For the record, yes, I *DO* 'dislike' career politicians, solely on the concept.)

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04/08/2016 8:35 AM

I wish you would quit holding back, and tell us how you really feel. Your restraint is making me look bad.

Solution for "career" politicians: (1) Force them to pass a law taxing politicians proportionally to the time they have been in Washington, D.C.

(2) Make the slope of the taxation/year inversely proportional to the Congressional approval rating surveys score (i.e.- 0% approval gets 100% taxation)

(3) If they are Democrats, or socialists, double the rate of taxation on the Congress man/woman/it. (just kidding, no foaming at the mouth you liberals).

(4) Train corruption sniffing Malinois dogs with U.S. Marine trainers to sniff out the bad apples in Congress, and if they get even so much as a whiff of EEVIL, release the dogs of war on them. It's feeding time in Foggy Bottoms.

(5) Have TV cameras set up to record the most self-serving thing the Congressman ever does, and put it on playback loop when the primary election season rolls around.

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04/08/2016 10:00 AM

"I wish you would quit holding back, and tell us how you really feel. Your restraint is making me look bad."

Quit holding back? Fine. (Deep Breath) "All career politicians, who are any politician who has spent ten years or more in office, or has moved from one political office directly into another, suffer from a severe deficiency of lead in the brain. The only cure is an emergency injection of lead through the base of the skull, using a .22 or .38 caliber, powder-assisted 'syringe.'"

(I don't care what make or model 'syringe,' it could be a handgun, rifle, or even a 'power hammer,' although that last one might count as 'cruel and unusual,' or at least 'needlessly complex. It's always so hard to get those things to trigger, you have to keep beating on the strike plate with a claw hammer until you hit it just right and set it off.)

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04/08/2016 10:18 AM

OMG my friend, now it's watch list city for us both. I was not going to take it to the point of liberation of the souls from the bodies, just make remaining in office far less appealing than quietly retiring to work with the Washington lobby. Without the lobby, politicians could not afford good cigars, high class brandy, and high class women, and high class race horses, yachts, private jets, 2 or 3 condominiums, vacation homes, a sprawling HQ home, and exclusive golf memberships. Much less the black tie dinners.

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Remember, I live in Chicago, where from experience, "An 'honest' politician is one who stays bought." Therefore, the only 'good' politician is one who has a permanent residence in Graceland Cemetery. (Which also means they've been voting 'straight democrat' ticket by absentee ballot every election since they've been inhumed.)

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Remember this also, pilgrim. There are two kinds of people in this world. The ones with (loaded) guns, and the ones who do the digging. Either way, that gold is coming out of the ground.

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04/08/2016 2:41 PM

Do the parking strips still have signs "This grass planted by Richard Daley"?

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Nope.

Rahm had all those signs torn out of the ground the day he took office.

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04/08/2016 3:15 PM

But now the signs on the grass read, "This grass is your grass, this grass is my grass, from Lakeshore Drive, to Gary Indiana." You may sing along if you wish...

I expect Rahm thought the original signs looked too much like tombstones.

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04/08/2016 8:44 AM

This job is 'Shovel Ready'.

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In more ways than one, in more ways than one, my friend.

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03/21/2016 11:53 PM

There are temporary, single lane Bailey bridges on the Kuhio Highway on Kauai's north shore put up after Iniki that are still there.

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Good old British garden shed engineering to the rescue. Donald Bailey's hobby was building model bridges.

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03/22/2016 11:02 AM

You reminded me of something when you mentioned building model bridges.

In the states here, there's a regional and national contest for building bridges in grade school for grade school students.

Where everyone is are given a controlled amount of balsa wood and glue.

You design (contestants have a limited knowledge of design) and construct you bridge where in the contest it is weighed (so nothing is added).

And go through a destructive test to see how much weight it can hold before failure occurs.

Each bridge starts with a lot of hope, and ends with a lot of broken hearts. But it is a learning experience.

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03/22/2016 11:17 AM

I left the teaching profession (officially, at least) over 20 years ago, so I'm not up to date, but there was a similar one for high school physics students that used ice cream bar sticks, and I think I've seen it done using toothpicks, as well.

Regarding that Bailey Bridge: It would work for spanning the gap, but I don't think it could easily be curved to work on the slumped hillside.

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I'd just take a 1000 rolls of ducttape and seal them together

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03/21/2016 11:16 PM

Well, for starters, I'd fix the drainage on the up-hill side of the road as it looks like gradual weeping under the pavement eroded the underlying soil. Need better containment with controlled discharge points.

Then, as others have mentioned, pilings through to bedrock, then a pile cap, then a new road... just not sure how you'd get the necessary equipment there to drive them... likely why there weren't any there in the first place.

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