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Pumps and Energy

04/07/2016 7:50 AM

Does anyone know how much energy pumps use in the world? Does anyone think about pumps in their projects or buildings when considering energy efficiency or savings?

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Re: Pumps and energy

04/07/2016 8:42 AM

A1) Declined.

A2) Designers these days generally select high efficiency motors to go with those pumps, and most CE-compliant manufacturers offer high efficiency motors with their pumps as standard. However, there is legacy equipment installed across the globe that doesn't correspond to high efficiency.

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04/07/2016 9:52 AM

1. No

2. Yes

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04/07/2016 10:38 AM

Last I heard pumps create hydraulic energy.

The motor driving the pump is using all the energy that the pump creates plus a little more!

The answer to the second question is yes!

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04/07/2016 6:03 PM

"The motor driving the pump is using all the energy that the pump creates plus a little more!"

Could you explain how this works?

You are suggesting that the motor driving the pump is using all the energy that the pump creates to drive itself.

In a perfect, lossless world this might be possible. But, it seems a waste of a good motor and pump.

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04/07/2016 9:17 PM

Not such a suggestion, but I admit it could be seen like it until you realise that that little bit more energy used against produced respects the laws of physics.

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04/07/2016 9:24 PM

Now we need to work on the laws of logic and communication.

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04/07/2016 11:46 PM

<Beam Me Up Scotty!>

Careful what you wish for there Old Man! ;-)

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04/07/2016 1:10 PM

No

Yes, the last expansion project I worked on, Public Service Utilities offered a rebate if you install New Energy Efficient motors.

With the new motors, our rebate would have been in the 6 figures.

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04/15/2016 6:46 AM

Very interesting to hear and a great rebate you would have received. Where in the world is this?

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04/15/2016 7:37 AM

I've been having problems with CR4 this past week, can't seem to insert pictures or emoticons..... otherwise I'd insert part of the application.

I came by it by accident, so, it does pay, to always look into your local energy supplier if an expansion is in mind.

Wisconsin, it has since expired. It was an organization that partnered with Wisconsin Energies. (WE) a Wisconsin Company.

Since I can still copy clip, here's a copy clip of the requirements and incentives from the contract agreement. This is for Freq. drives and energy efficient motors, and since our standards for motors is Baldors Premium Gold, that's wasn't a problem.

FOCUS ON ENERGY GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS

This is a Focus on Energy program application for use by eligible applicants ("Applicant"). Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure, Inc. is the Program Administrator for Focus on Energy ("Program Administrator") and bound by contract to Statewide Energy Efficiency and Renewable Administration, Inc. ("SEERA"). The Program Administrator, Focus on Energy and the Applicant may be individually referred to herein as a "Party" and collectively as the "Parties."

Section 1. Incentive Offer:
This Application covers products purchased and installed between April 1, 2012 and March 31, 2013. Applications must be postmarked within 60 calendar days of installation and no later than March 31, 2013. The sum of all Focus on Energy prescriptive and custom incentives for participants in the Business Incentive Program and Large Energy Users Program is limited to $200,000 per project and $400,000 per customer per calendar year. The sum of all Focus on Energy prescriptive and custom
incentives for participants in the Chain Stores & Franchises Program is limited to $250,000 per project and $500,000 per customer per calendar year. Applicants should maintain a copy of this application for their personal records. Incomplete applications will be returned and will not be processed. This application must have complete information and be submitted with proof of purchase such as invoices that clearly itemize the product(s) and/or services(s) received. Purchase orders, proposals and quotes are not considered proof of purchase.

Section 2. Marketing:
The Applicant shall not use Program Administrator's or SEERA's corporate name, logo, identity, any affiliation, or any related logo including the "Focus on Energy" name, logo, or identity, for any marketing, advertising or solicitation without prior written consent of Focus on Energy. Such written consent may be withheld in Focus on Energy's sole discretion. When referencing Focus on Energy involvement with any project, the Applicant shall collaborate with Focus on Energy to prepare any press release and to plan for any news conference and agrees to provide Focus on Energy, for its written approval prior to publication, a written copy of any advertisements or promotional material regarding this program prior to publishing any such advertisements or promotional material. Focus on Energy reserves the right to publicize the Applicant's participation in the Focus on Energy program unless a written request is submitted to focusonenergy.marketing@shawgrp.com.

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04/07/2016 5:55 PM

Energy efficiency requirements for pumps are typically included in the overall building energy efficiency standards imposed by the state or municipality.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/title24/2016standards/index.html

No one knows how much energy pumps use "in the world" There are many estimates out there.

Most of the energy savings that can be achieved from pumps lies in the use of (more expensive) premium efficeincy motors

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04/08/2016 7:34 AM

Q1. A lot. However there is a move to use, especially on Beam pumps, regenerative drives, so in some cases that figure will drop as more Regen drives are installed.

Q2. Of course and PMM are very much in the frame to lead the way. Couple the PMM and a Regen drive and you have a lot of power savings.

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Re: Pumps and Energy

04/09/2016 12:12 AM

1) No, though you can start and you'll be the first.

2) Yes, thought, planned and implemented.

3) What directions do you intend to go from here?

Some says "common sense dictates"

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Re: Pumps and Energy

04/15/2016 6:56 AM

Thanks for some great input. We have calculated that pumps use approximately 10% of the world'e energy - an incredible amount and are really a hidden opportunity to save energy. Changing out old inefficient pumps with new energy efficiency motors could potentially save 4% of the world's energy. You can easily run energy checks on buildings and make a cost analysis to see the pay back time for changing old pumps out with new energy efficient pumps.

I was trying to see how much awareness there is around the potential energy savings there are assocaited with pumps. Great to see many are thinking about this.

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