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04/15/2016 6:38 PM

I don't see any cars in the middle, so it must be working.

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04/15/2016 7:11 PM

Dumb, ignorant and stupid, it is.

This reminds me of the metered freeway on ramps.

Both serve no useful purpose.

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04/15/2016 7:14 PM

Reminds me of those *Michigan Left-U-turns*!

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04/15/2016 11:15 PM

Most rotunda cater plenty of accidents.

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04/15/2016 7:53 PM

What a waste of money...

Wouldn't slow me down at all.....

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04/15/2016 8:36 PM

You might want to recompute v2/r on the sharp turns....or install some Evel Knievel ramps!

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04/17/2016 12:31 AM

If they bank the turns correctly, there'd be no need to slow down, except perhaps to save your neck/back from the jerking.

I'm with Lyn on this one (and the freeway ramp meters). Waste of money and a hindrance to smooth flow of traffic.

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04/17/2016 2:17 AM

I'm inclined to agree. Visually amusing, but mostly a traffic nuisance.

My locale has lots of roundabouts. I'm pretty well used to them, but my wife hates them. Ya gotta have some pretty nimble eyeballs to keep track of where you are and who has the right-of-way.

I don't know how the accident stats compare to other types of intersections; no doubt it depends on drivers getting accustomed.

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04/17/2016 11:05 AM

You said:-

I don't know how the accident stats compare to other types of intersections; no doubt it depends on drivers getting accustomed.

They are far safer as the usual "contact" means that both vehicles are going in the approximate same direction.

You might want to look at safety here:-

Roundabout Safety

Where you can read:-

Statistically, modern roundabouts are safer for drivers and pedestrians than both traffic circles and traditional intersections. Roundabouts are safer than both traffic circles and junctions-experiencing 39% fewer vehicle collisions, 76% fewer injuries and 90% fewer serious injuries and fatalities (according to a study of a sampling of roundabouts in the United States, when compared with the junctions they replaced).

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04/17/2016 1:37 PM

What's the difference between a roundabout and a traffic circle? I'll overlook the other redundancy.

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04/17/2016 2:01 PM

I can tell you the difference between a Roundabout, a Magic Roundabout and a Kreisverkehr.

But I can only guess at what a traffic circle is.....it has to be non European!!

Can you check up in your dictionary?

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04/17/2016 2:07 PM

Please change "can" into "do".

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04/17/2016 3:14 PM

Which "can"?

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04/17/2016 4:33 PM

Please start with the first one, which is clearly more relevant.

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04/18/2016 5:28 AM

Post #34 link explains the difference between the magic and non magic ones.

The other was simply the German name for non magic one. They don't have magic ones at all....

DKW mentioned it already!!

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04/18/2016 7:47 AM

If they wanted to just to slow down traffic. Wouldn't a smaller circle do a much better job. And if place on the land a lot cheaper to build. It was built for scenic reasons.

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04/17/2016 3:04 PM

Please do tell us!

My initial search indicated:

That they are synonyms.

I don't know about the magic ones. Do they allow cars to pass through each other without stopping or turning?

I also just now noticed that the phonetics indicate that the "a" is silent in Wiktionary; It is NOT silent in my dialect!

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Well found!!

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Thanks. So far, I do now see what a "Magic Roundabout" is, although I see nothing "Magic" about it. I'd call it a "Compound Roundabout".

I'm quite happy that I never came across one while driving in the UK. Getting (sort of) used to driving on the left was hard enough, especially as I was just getting over an eye infection (fortunately only one eye) I acquired in France. Thanks to the French pharmacies, I was indeed getting over it...

I don't yet know the difference between a "Roundabout" and a "Traffic Circle".

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I believe they are the same, but not 100% certain....

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04/18/2016 9:14 AM

"Traffic Circle" Is American for "Roundabout."

In America, "Traffic Circle" can also mean "Big round island put into the middle of a standard 4-corner intersection as a 'traffic calming' measure, by insuring that NOBODY has a straight path through."

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04/18/2016 7:19 PM

In Massachusetts where I learned to drive, they are called "Rotaries", not to be confused with a noted service organization.

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"In Massachusetts where I learned to drive, they are called "Rotaries", not to be confused with a noted service organization."

And since they're out in the open for anyone to use, does that make them Rotary Publics?

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04/17/2016 12:26 PM

After learning more about the bridge, its location and purpose, I'm inclined to say, OK it's a fine thing for this island.

Especially since it was financed by a developer and leads to nowhere, from nowhere.

It is not there to slow people down.

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04/17/2016 10:27 AM

I disagree with Linn and you as this bridge is not intended to serve densely populated areas like the Golden Gate (they never will be... or at least not for the next 50 years) but just to serve a "slow town" Pop: (being optimistic) 200 souls, and perhaps 10,000 during summer holidays. Buildings are mainly private-owned beach houses

and also some hotels like this one:

So they decided to build a "weird" bridge to settle a 30 years dispute between those who wanted it and those who did not

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04/17/2016 10:48 AM

It's still an $11 million dollar bridge to nowhere.

The only redeeming fact is that it was mostly paid for by a rich developer.

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Try to find Money isn´t everything by Rodgers - Hammerstein (1947) !

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04/17/2016 1:56 PM

Although I'm pretty far from being what most people think of as an artist, I do definitely concede that there is indeed value in art (within limits...). Now that I understand that this is not part of a highway, my view definitely changes.

The most closely related change that comes to my mind is California Highway construction; where retaining walls and bridges/overpasses used to be plain flat concrete, they now give them texture and color to resemble brick, stone, and rock. I'm sure it costs a little more, but I'm all in favor of it.

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04/18/2016 12:56 PM

That was my first thought. If the planners had to spend their own money . . . .

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04/20/2016 11:24 AM

Maybe it is a sneaky energy capture system to inductively steal energy from the traffic and power the speed cameras down road?

Somebody's mind was struggling with this project when they started thinking in circles.

Whoever started the conversation down the path of this being a round-about is all wrong. Look again carefully at the photo, and tell me what the actual intended traffic pattern is. This is not so drivers passing "south" can make a full loop and end up headed back "north". It is a divided roadway. No interaction of traffic.

It is a paradox wrapped up in an enigma as to why on earth anyone would do this, other than to feed sots and speeders to the sharks.

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04/20/2016 1:46 PM

Do you think someone left a coffee cup on the plan at an early stage?

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04/20/2016 2:52 PM

Well that pretty well explains it, especially after the sot attempted to go back and erase the ring, but erased the straight bridge right out of the picture. What a nice thought it could be to know one was driving around some engineer's coffee mug stain.

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Ah, yes, the Brown Ring of Quality.

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I think Elon should land/crash one of his rockets in the center!

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RODLMAO! (by the way, that is intentional to tune the mnemonic with the situation at hand).

I did see the most recent (I think) launch on NASA channel, and the successful booster recovery, a slight tad off center, but vertical and on the barge.

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they pushed the envelope on that one

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Competition!

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"It is a paradox wrapped up in an enigma as to why on earth anyone would do this, other than to feed sots and speeders to the sharks."

I wonder, to the sharks consider the sots to be like cordial cherries?

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04/20/2016 3:30 PM

probably more like sweet pickle relish.

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Tasty at first, but not for the main course.

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05/16/2016 1:45 AM

If the bank of the curve is wrong it would.

Either that or you drive slowly.

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Hi, this bridge was built in my neighbour country Uruguay, in a fancy holiday resort called Punta del Este. It crosses a lagoon called Laguna Garzón and was built to replace a ferry that operated 12 hours a day and made the crossing over a wildlife sanctuary quite complicated. It also served to end a 50 years dispute cause conservationists did not want any bridge built there. The "hole" in the middle is called "the lagoon over the lagoon" having no other purpose than an aesthetic reason, and people who have their fancy beach houses there were happy to pay 4 times more for it than for an ordinary (straight) bridge. But this is not the only weird bridge in this country: the first one is ondulating (engineers may say it makes no sense or say it is dangerous.... but crossing it is very nice) was built in 1965 some miles away and looks like this: (sorry, don't know how to paste pics using a Mac) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puente_Leonel_Viera#/media/File:Puente_Barra_Maldonado_(Punta_del_Este).jpg If you don´t care about design, buy an "Edsel" or a Lada ... instead of a Porsche (both are cars and they will take you from A to B)

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In parts of the U.S., undulating road dips like that are called "thank-you-ma'ams".

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The one I mention is sort of roller coaster-like!

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You mean this one? At least it is already set up for wind resonance if there is any.

Punte del Este or Puente Barra Maldonado

that is a crazy bridge.

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I'm more intrigued by the pedestrian crossings either side of the circle.

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Those are to slow the cars down a little bit more. (Or speed the pedestrians up.)

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04/16/2016 5:47 PM

Does This Design Force Drivers to Slow Down?

Probably. It's more scenic.

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04/16/2016 8:55 PM

Probably, he was in a bar posting this.

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04/16/2016 9:24 PM

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04/17/2016 10:56 AM

It depends upon what car they are driving and the speed at which they enter the circle.....so it may slow some fast drivers down!!

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04/17/2016 3:01 PM

Someone sent me this.

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04/17/2016 3:12 PM

It does!? It certainly is not obvious how to navigate it. I also note that there is only a single vehicle visible on the roadway (exiting upper left). There are a few parked near the bottom.

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04/17/2016 3:25 PM

The link I posted should help you further.....

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04/18/2016 6:43 AM

<...There are a few parked near the bottom...> Those are not parked. Those are simply awaiting their drivers to gather enough courage to actually use the intersection! ;-)

There are these sorts of things in:

  • Swindon
  • Hemel Hempstead, and
  • Colchester

among other places in the UK.

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04/18/2016 7:27 AM

I wonder what the SatNav voice instructions sound like when navigating the magic roundabouts?

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04/18/2016 7:42 AM

They just tell you which exit to take......

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04/17/2016 3:23 PM

There are quite a few on the UK nowadays, even Heathrow has at least one......

See here:-

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04/18/2016 9:20 AM

Why are they called "Magic Roundabouts," by the way? Is it because you need to be a magician to come out the exit you wanted to?

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04/18/2016 10:36 AM

It was named after a childrens animated TV programme of the day.

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04/18/2016 2:01 PM

Oh, sounds similar to how that one game was named after the Mornington Crescent station.

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It was French TV show for children and the British company who took it on did not have a translation that could be easily dubbed, so they watched it time after time and wrote their own words for the puppets to say......

The_Magic_Roundabout

Road traffic namesake

The 'magic roundabout' in Splott, featuring road sign sculptures.

In the United Kingdom, the "Magic Roundabout" name has been given to the ring junction - a large road traffic circulation system with unconventional layouts - in Swindon and in Hemel Hempstead for example. The popularity of the TV show coincided with the introduction of such schemes and soon became associated with any complex traffic roundabout. Although the Swindon roundabout's original name was not the Magic Roundabout, it was almost always referred to as such by Swindon residents and in the late eighties, it was officially renamed. The Hemel Hempstead roundabout, with its large central roundabout surrounded by six smaller ones, is officially named the Plough Roundabout.

In 1992, the Cardiff Bay Public Art Strategy selected Pierre Vivant to create artwork for a roundabout in Splott, a district of Cardiff. He created a series of geometrical sculptures featuring everyday road signs and, although its official name is "The Landmark", it is affectionately known by locals as the "Magic Roundabout".[4]

In 2006, the Go North East Bus Company branded one of their routes "The Magic Roundabout", the buses running on it all featuring the characters from the series.[5]

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04/18/2016 7:16 PM

It looks like if you get into the innermost circle, there is no way out !

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04/19/2016 5:15 AM

Actually, once you understand the principles, they re really clever.

You can go around the main, center RA in either direction, its 2 way traffic, same as on any normal road.

This means, that if say on a crossroads, where one has been placed, instead of driving past two exits, using more road and holding up more drivers waiting to join, you take the other direction and exit immediately.

It's only the small RAs that need to be (in the UK and 55 other countries), gone round in a clockwise direction when looking from above. If they ever get built anywhere else (which I doubt, as foreigners are completely confused by them!), where its RH traffic, that direction will get of course reversed.

You can see that some intelligent CR4 members are having trouble......that is a fact, not a criticism.

Most of the YouTube explanations appear to be from foreigners, ones that did not understand the full principles!

So do not be upset if you don't understand either.

Of the videos I looked at, these appear to be reasonable:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ClwohD4Ug

Or this:-

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04/19/2016 5:24 AM

I think you should turn in your driver's license immediately.

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04/19/2016 7:35 AM

LOL!!!

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04/18/2016 6:35 AM

If the videos on YouTube are to be believed, then in Russia it would make no difference whatsoever.

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04/18/2016 12:57 PM

The first Tacoma Narrows bridge forced drivers to slow down.

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04/18/2016 2:04 PM

At first it did, then it forced them to drive the long way around.

Except for that one chap, he had to WALK.

(I STILL feel bad for his dog, poor thing was so terrified by the violent galloping it was attacking him as he tried to get it out.)

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04/18/2016 2:01 PM

We went to a Neighborhood USA conference in Seattle in 1989 and part of it were these neighborhood tours.Some of the intersections had these little Traffic circles in the middle. Our tour bus couldn't maneuver around them so the driver just ran over them.

The moral of this story is if the road gives you obstacles just get a bigger truck.

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04/18/2016 2:30 PM

Actually, the small UK ones are designed just for that.

The painted circle on the road just sets the roundabout rules.....I would expect the US to be the same....

I even found one today in Germany and drove straight over it, no pain whatsoever!!

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04/18/2016 3:16 PM

In Post Falls, Idaho, the roudabouts are low profile curved curbing. With my big old Ford Econoline van (with the famous Ford Twin I-beam suspension) I just swerve slightly and bounce right over them. I treat speed bumps the same way.

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Speed bumps: <5mph or >50mph. Washboard roads kinda similar.

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04/19/2016 4:02 AM

Agreed, all to do with suspension harmonics.

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04/19/2016 4:18 AM

Been there, done that. Many years ago, I worked two summers in the Forest Service. Those were some pleasurable days. I was blessed with great people to work with, and a sensible job to do (surveying low-tech roads for logging, firefighting, and other forest access.)

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04/19/2016 10:11 AM

"Speed bumps: <5mph or >50mph. Washboard roads kinda similar."

With off-road (now called 'trail rated' suspension; Speed bumps, Washboard roads, Curbs, all mean nothing.

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04/18/2016 7:23 PM

We have some of these at freeway on/off ramps in my fair city.

My only problem is negotiating them with a boat or car hauler hooked onto my long wheelbase pickup.

Otherwise, there fine.

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they're.

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"Their" is neither "here" nor "there" nor "they're".

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04/18/2016 11:16 PM

Thanks for the correction! I don't want to be pedantic, but I definitely appreciate the correct words in the correct places.

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I don't know what I was thinking. Typing phonetically??

I got this email today from our kid's school:

Dear Parent,

"This is a request to complete a survey about how you feel about the school your child is enrolled."

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Don't nobody know grammer no more; whaddelse ya expect?

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If you go to a good pubic school, you should at least least get sex education.

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Just don't ever axe me a question!

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Why the harsh tone? Why don't we just bury the hatchet? Just don't expect me to turn my back, I don't like being axed anything or anywhere either.

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A short, choppy reply? That really cuts me to the heartwood, when all I was doing was trying to lumber in with some levity. I'm sorry if my jokes went against the grain.

You also chose to hide behind an anon post to bushwack me. My puns are rarely offensive, and when they are, it is purely unintentional. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker bark before continuing, or you may find yourself up a gum tree without a paddle when dealing with some of the regular posters around here, those whose reputations loom over me like Paul Bunion's shadow.

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And thank you, unknown GA'er, it's nice to know my efforts are appreciated.

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Having trouble recognizing sarcasm and humor juxtaposed Mr. or Mrs. Anon? You should really attend the Doug Piranha School of Sarcasm.

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I think a little bit but so would a field of Bots dots

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I don't know, but it sure slows down construction! - JHF

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04/20/2016 11:21 AM

NO, but it is a new auto-feeding system for local bull sharks.

It also reduces traffic harmonics on the bridge, thus reducing dynamic stresses.

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04/27/2016 6:52 PM

In my experience, the difference between a traffic circle and a roundabout is that traffic circles are much smaller... perhaps 15' across, on secondary roads, possibly in villages, with slower speeds coming into them. Roundabouts are on faster larger highways and are much larger in diameter.

The roundabouts I encountered in England average much larger in diameter than the small traffic circles we have in the states.

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04/28/2016 12:18 AM

The UK also has small ones where due to buildings and other things, the original cross roads "area" has to "make do" so to say.

Some of these have a buried "tortoise" in the middle, pained white, some don't, they only have a white painted circle as this one has.

These are all marked as RAs, the traffic precedence is RA, but in fact, you do not need to drive in a circle, you can go straight across them. Large trucks for example do this all the time....

They are a very cheap alternative (basically only paint and planning) to crossroads and have proved themselves over very many years now...

These road markings simply "declares" to the traffic R.O.W. far better than the dangerous "all way stops" of some simple junctions in the USA, which cause so many accidents, even if mainly of the "fender bender" type......

I am not saying that there are never any accidents on UK RAs, just that as the traffic is mainly guided in the same direction, the speed of closure is far smaller and the severity of the accidents generally far, far smaller.....nobody is driving straight at anyone else (except for the occasion visitor, possibly from the USA, trying to go the wrong way round" of course!!)

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04/28/2016 5:47 AM

I never saw any of these virtual RA's. Interesting.

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Re: Does This Design Force Drivers to Slow Down?

04/28/2016 12:29 PM

Why is it virtual? You can go and put your hand on any part and feel it!!!

I believe they are called "Mini Roundaboust", but if not, someone from the UK will correct me....

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