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Some Pretty Damning Evidence to Microsoft's Collapse as a Consumer Product

04/23/2016 2:58 AM

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I was having trouble with Windows Update on my Windows 7 laptop. It goes into a sort of infinite loop looking for updates and won't download available updates. So I went online with "Windows 7 won't update" and came across this gem below:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-update/windows-update-remains-at-checking-for-updates/ff3c442e-79a6-40d3-ac35-29e130cebef1

Have a look at Canadian Tech's comments. This problem seems very deeply rooted and he articulates that Windows is going from an Operating System to an Advertising Platform hence it is free. I think it is the first time I have had it spelled out: In days gone by the OS let you control what is on the box. That is now gone with MS. For me this is a startling revelation. Perhaps it is time to seriously consider Apple or Linux.

I guess the loss of control bugs me. Should I worry about it? Yes. I want to control as much as I can about my personal details if for no other reason than unwanted solicitation and identity fraud.

And as a continued annoyance Windows 7 still won't update...

Comments? Is anybody else concerned?

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04/23/2016 10:58 AM

This has been well known for a year or so and my IT professional told me 4 years ago we were headed that way.

It has been discussed here more than once. Windows 10

You don't own W 10, you rent it. (and the software you will run) This is already the case with w 365. Subscription only.

It is not resident on your system.

It records EVERYTHING you enter with the keyboard and everything you say, if the microphone is active.

It records and can use ALL information you enter, passwords, bank account information, SS and medical information.

It can disable and/or report any suspect software you try to use.

In short, it is the NSA of the software world.

It can update your PC AT ANY TIME and change the user agreement that you accepted, without your knowledge or permission.

DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT, ever.

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04/23/2016 12:02 PM

Enough with the Bogeyman stories...

It's just gotten better...

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-windows-updates

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04/23/2016 12:23 PM

It's the truth.

All you've done is facilitate Microcrap's stealth switchover to W10.

Have you, personally, tried any of this, or are you simply parroting Microsoft's propaganda?

Did you even read what the actual experts are saying?

Again, have you used these, or are you just posting untested links?????

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04/23/2016 1:11 PM

Yes I use windows 10...Yes I've used Microsoft's website for fixes....I don't parrot anything, generally speaking.... Define "actual experts"...I always test and read my posted links, generally speaking....You seem to be experiencing a bout of paranoia... Not everybody is out to get you...

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04/23/2016 1:36 PM

"On January 4, 2016, Microsoft reported that Windows 10 had been activated on more than 200 million devices since the operating system's launch in July 2015."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10

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04/23/2016 7:16 PM

Windows propaganda!

Windows 8 is such a monumental POS that anything, even W 10, is seen by many as the lesser of two evils.

W7 is being killed by Microcrap and "autoloading" of W10 seems to be a coming trend for W7 users.

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04/28/2016 11:35 PM

"... Windows 10 had been activated on more than 200 million devices..."

Were all of those activation's willingly?

My son-in-law was operating W 8.1 with the alleged capability to upgrade to W10.

Several months after he started using his W 8.1, the machine did it for him, with no input on his part!

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04/28/2016 11:55 PM

Drowning people will grasp at any shred of hope and this is all W10 is. A false promise of better times put out by the pusher man of W8 with a forced audience of users with no recourse.

W7 is abandoned. W8 is the only alternative. W8 SUCKS! Is that by design? Yes. W8 was the poison pill that allowed Bill to charge for everything from that point forward.

And record and store all keystrokes, sounds, video, spoken words, and anything else in the room, at any time, for any reason.

Bill Brother Bill has us by the balls.

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04/23/2016 3:09 PM

You use W10, but your links are to: "Install Windows updates in Windows 7".

Hardly the voice of experience.

I mean websites and articles by IT professionals who have nothing to gain by not giving an honest evaluation of the product.

Not paranoia, just repeating what I have read. I don't have the time for in-depth research as you seem to, so I have to rely on second party evaluations. (and my IT professional)

As usual, members are free to separate the wheat from the chaff however they choose to do it.

I have W8.1 on the machine I'm using at the moment, and I will NEVER downgrade to W10!

I'm about to have my W 7 machine updated and restarted. (by an expert)

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04/24/2016 10:46 AM

Lyn, I'm 100% with you on this one.

My son is my computer guru. He's a manager in the IT department of a large university. It's his job to know in-depth details of various versions of Windows, Apple's OS, and Linux. He has told me not to install Windows 10.

If the time ever comes when I need a new PC, or need to upgrade my Win7 laptop, he said he'd get me set up with Linux.

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04/24/2016 11:03 AM

He also said that the GWX control panel available in this link is a legit way to keep those annoying Win 10 popups off your PC, which will help prevent an accidental loading of Win 10.

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

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04/24/2016 11:53 AM

Thanks. I bookmarked that site.

About the only totally positive things I've ever heard about W10 have come from Mircosoft. Go figure.

The thought of having a private corporation record and store everything I do, write, say and download leaves me cold.

We bank and pay our bills electronically. The thought that some prick/s from MS know everything there is to know about me is cause enough for me to never download it.

If their servers ever get hacked, will they tell us, or will we find out when some third world family comes with the sheriff to take over our house?

SE can beat the W10 drum all he wants, it's still a fraud that we will eventually have to play for.

I didn't make this up. It's all in the W 10 EULA.

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04/23/2016 11:16 PM

Good! Lyn is always so negative about MS that I don't trust his opinion.

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04/24/2016 11:45 AM

Lol, just make sure he's (Lyn) is pointed in the right direction when he goes off.

And it'll be fine.

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04/24/2016 6:44 AM

'Not everybody is out to get you...'

Sort of odd profound statement to make which has no meaning. Most companies and governments are out to get you in some way. It is called money, and that is what they want from you. And given the lack of tax paid by MS, they will now change tack to recoup costs they will incur.

Just as the USA fines VW, Mitsubishi et al, for their misdemeanours, the rest of the world pays for this in price hikes and what does get up my nose is the mere fact that no one else gets compensation.

So in essence, your statement is absurd, they are pretty much out to get you in some way and it is not paranoia. Mere reality.

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04/23/2016 12:25 PM

Thanks for the warning. I have been resisting downloading it so far - thank heavens. I am becoming increasingly worried, perhaps paranoiac, about the way the internet is going. Almost everything you do is being complicated by passwords and personal information. Booking flights and even trains is becoming a nightmare. It's becoming quite obvious that we are being spied on. Without going into great detail, here's a few things to check out:

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2016-030-the-un-new-world-order-for-the-enslavement-of-mankind/

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

BTW, Bill Gates has been an attendee of the Bilderberg Society. Obama has just threatened Britain with sanctions if it pulls out of the EU. You just have to join up the dots. Simply put, Western politicians are recreating the USSR in the West.

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04/24/2016 11:42 AM

Microsoft isn't the only one.... GM and John Deere also.

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

The farmer can't fix it them selves because of the fear of copyright infringement.

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04/24/2016 12:02 PM

I couldn't read the article, because I use an ad blocker, Wired wants me to add them to their "white list" to allow adds when I use them.

"So, add us to your ad blocker's whitelist or pay $1 per week for an ad-free version of WIRED".

Here we have another example of $ where $ the internet i$ headed.

They can take their adds and shove them where the sun don't shine, right next to W10!

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04/24/2016 12:08 PM

It's worse than I thought....

This may be better... Plus it's more informative...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203913-general-motors-john-deere-want-to-keep-tinkering-self-repair-illegal

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04/24/2016 12:15 PM

Thanks.

My local news feed charges after the 1st 10 articles. It used to be free.

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04/24/2016 1:21 PM

1984 has well and truly arrived - 32 years late. I'm glad I'm getting on a bit - the future does not look attractive. The World Government is on it's way.

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04/24/2016 1:26 PM

No, the World Government leader is in Germany today, UK yesterday. Please take him back and keep him there. Obliged!

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His veiled threats did not go down well in UK - lame duck or not.

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04/24/2016 5:51 PM

'Not everybody is out to get you...' Europe has decided today that the USA will form a new Union and become like the EU, of course for trade between the Americas. The borders will open up in all of the Americas and people can wander freely, borders will be dismantled, visa will not be required and all will take in the refugees. You will provide them homes and cars and unemployment benefits. And standard law, taxes, import duties, HSE regulations, monetary crisis, for all AU countries. And of course the EU needs this to be able to trade with the new AU and as they Eu was first in line, set everything up for you, you will need to quickly adopt our policies, standards and life style.

No more feet and inches, no more gallons or miles. No more 1/2 wrenches but 13mm spanners. No more millions of lbs, but metric tonnes and kg. Litres and grams.

Of course this will enhance the economy and boost production for furniture, food, home builds and refurbishments, more transport, increase jobs and business's etc.

The USA does not have to stand alone, they can take the role model from Europe and learn from us. Why should Europe be alone? Welcome to the AU, (Americas Union)

And just look how easy it will be for MS and Apple to make money and pay taxes and have a standard download.

'Not everybody is out to get you...' Whoo Hoo!

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04/25/2016 3:00 AM

Prepare to be fleeced by World Communism:

2016 - 030 The UN New World Order Agenda 2030 for the enslavement of mankind

Posted on 9 April, 2016

March 15, 2016

New World Order (NWO) UN-Agenda-2030

The UN have unveiled their masterplan for the next 14 years - saying that they wish to implement global socialism and corporate fascism as part of their "Agenda 2030" plans.

Part of their plans, officially dubbed "Post-2015 Sustainable Development Goals," aims to reduce inequality worldwide by forcing individual governments and citizens alike to share their wealth under the guidance of a one world government.

Naturalnews.com reports:

In simpler terms, Western taxpayers should prepare to be fleeced so that their wealth can be redistributed internationally as their own economies are cut down to size by Big Government. (That is to be decided by unknown bureaucrats without asking them if they want to have their quality of life that they have worked hard to achieve drastically reduced. The UN should concentrate their efforts into helping the Third world achieve what the West has. This should be encouraging them to work and make the personal efforts the people of the West have done )

Of course, as has been the case for generations, most of the wealth extracted from the productive sector will be redistributed to the UN and Third World regimes - not the victims of those regimes, impoverished largely through domestic socialist/totalitarian policies imposed by the same corrupt regimes to be propped up with more Western aid under Agenda 2030.

Wealth redistribution alone, however, will not be enough. Governments must also seize control of the means of production - either directly or through fascist-style mandates. "We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services," the document states.

It also says that "governments, international organizations, the business sector and other non-state actors and individuals must contribute to changing unsustainable consumption and production patterns … to move towards more sustainable patterns of consumption and production."

Full article: http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2016-030-the-un-new-world-order-for-the-enslavement-of-mankind/

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04/25/2016 4:28 AM

No doubt their agenda will be achieved as the slack A*** public have the info and just don't believe much and are happy in there cocoons. Conspiracies tend to have much truth as the basis. As they say on StarTrek; 'One man can do for the greater good of manking'.

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04/25/2016 10:16 AM

This will not happen.

The Global Multinational Corporations will not allow THEIR wealth (by which they mean 'any/all wealth) to be taken from them. If any attempt is made they will declare the UN and all existing soveregn states null and void, and take direct control over their puppets/employees/slaves.

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04/25/2016 11:07 AM

But is IS happening. Mass immigration from Third World countries is occurring in Europe now. The politicians are pretending that it's all accidental and there's nothing they can do about it. But it is clearly intentional. Everything is being obfuscated. The immigrants are being given free housing and given benefits from the taxes paid by the indigenous population that works for a living. There is no checking on their criminal records or anything to do with their background - it is uncontrolled. If that isn't "spreading the wealth" then I don't know what is. It's all another step towards The World Government, the opening up of all borders and the creation of continents with no national identity.

Your President has just visited UK to try to persuade the electorate to stay in the EU, an utterly corrupt organization, that is implementing the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan as we speak. For more information on what that means:

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/

It is vital that the people of the US realize what's going on. I think you know who the only political runner in the forthcoming US election is that is making a stand against this. He may be a chump, but he knows what's going on. His main opposition is complicit with the NWO.

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04/25/2016 3:32 PM

"It's all another step towards The World Government,"

But it won't be the World Government, run by the USA, or the EU, or Red China.

It will be GlobalCorp, run by the Board of Directors, the board consisting solely of the representatives of the Multinational Corporations.

It won't be Obama, Trump, Prince Charles, Putin, or Kim Jung whatever controlling our lives, our masters will be ExonMobil, GoldmanSachs, Wallmart, PepsiCo, Monsanto. Our lives will be controlled by an artificial person composed of a union of other artificial persons. We will all be slaves to Corporate Charters, We will be owned by pieces of paper. Only the 0.01% of the 0.01% will escape this, because they collectively will own the controlling stock in the corporations that make up GlobalCorp, and they will be able to ignore the new laws with impunity, even though no single person will be able to control, or even understand the reasoning behind, all the new corporate laws.

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04/25/2016 3:59 PM

What? Me worry?

Substitute Donald J. Trump. for Neuman

If people are happy with W 10, I'm ecstatic for them. I'll avoid it forever.

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"C'thulu for president. Why vote for the LESSER evil?"

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04/26/2016 9:17 AM

Yeah, looks like those guys are going to be the GlobalCorp I was talking about.

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04/29/2016 12:25 AM

As long as the American people tolerate it, the U.N. will exist.

The headquarters are in the U.S.

Our portion of their operating expenses is well in excess of our portion of authority.

For an organization that was supposed to prevent wars, I'd five them an F-minus; I didn't even know that the Korean WAR was actually a UN "Police Action" until I got into about the 5th grade!

When even today, armed forces are committed for what ever purpose, who makes up the bulk of that force?

Ditto for so-called "humanitarian" relief. Ever note the source of the bulk of that relief?

Even the FDNY says the HQ is a firetrap, but they can't enforce any codes. just respond if there's a fire.

Personally, I think the HQ should be located in some third world hell hole that needs fixing-bet you see some action then!

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04/23/2016 1:40 PM

I have three PC's running different flavors of Win7.1, and they ALL take (literally) HOURS to "check for updates" and "download updates." My local computer guru told me the problem "...lessens..." close to midnight when MS traffic is less...which I can confirm. And, the problem SEEMS to be initiated when you don't let Win7.1 automatically look for and download MS updates, something I absolutely do NOT permit, because MS actually (forces) a download upgrade to Win10--without YOUR notification! And, that upgrade ERASES all reversion compatibility so you cannot return to Win7.1 or Win8.1.

I liken MS's "free Win10 upgrade" giveaway to the local drug dealer giving away "free" samples of dope...it's "free" now, but you will pay (oh, will you pay) later!

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..."(oh, will you pay) later!"

How's that? What are you saying exactly?

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04/23/2016 6:44 PM

How? Win10 is free now, but future bodes "rental" fee ala' their "Office-365" scam.

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04/23/2016 7:20 PM

Hi All,

That's pretty much the problem I am having - not able to update Windows 7 since about 12 April. I had no intention of upgrading to Windows 10 at this point. My updates have always been set to automatic.

I have also read where the issue may be traffic related but am finding this hard to swallow unless they deliberately cut the bandwidth to Windows 7 updates.

SE - thanks for the link. Am running the troubleshooter as I write but having spent a few hours already on the MS and other blogs with no apparent results I am not sure if the problem is resolvable or not.

Generally speaking I have read a lot of comments in this forum on the experiences with Win 10 and my posture is that I am, or at least perhaps was, not in any hurry to change operating systems on my personal laptop. But if I can't get regular security updates then I am not going to be happy about it.

... and just in - the troubleshooter has wiped the Update log to 'never' been updated. Similar result that I got with another MS troubleshooter. Why can't they put them all in the same #$%^& place???

Sigh....

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04/23/2016 11:22 PM

I have a slow system, and it doesn't take "hours" to do updates; actually I should say "didn't" because I'm now using Win 10. Updating before I switched was as simple as removing the check from the Win 10 upgrade so it wouldn't do it until I was ready.

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04/24/2016 9:18 AM

I wouldn't jump into new a Apple too hastily - they are morphing into a Microsoft clone by the minute.

I have an 11 year old emac that runs like a Swiss watch, it always has and it always does exactly what it said on the box, i.e., "Here's how you operate your new eMac, take it out the box, plug it in and you're ready to roll."

I also have a new generation mac, the one with the Intel chip that allows Microcrap OS to be loaded and although I've never put any MS crap on there the slew of problems I have with that version are too numerous to relate here but because I operate the 11 year old emac and the 2 year old mac side by side I can assure you that Apple have seriously gone downhill from their glory days when they really were looking out for the user - now they're just looking out for their stock price and "**ck the user".

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04/24/2016 8:00 PM

Hi All,

I can report that after leaving my laptop on overnight and the following day that it did in fact pick up the Win7 updates around 1:30 AM Los Angeles time. A far cry from days gone past.

Some of the tangential conversations regarding John Deere etc are interesting as well. As an extension to that: technically I can buy a light switch at the local hardware shop but it can only be installed in my home by a certified electrician here in Australia. I wonder how much longer before I can't change a light bulb legally?

Again, many thanks to all who posted.

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04/24/2016 8:24 PM

On an unrelated note, what do you fly?

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04/24/2016 9:13 PM

Flys? in South Australia? Naaahh!

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04/25/2016 11:49 AM

Aeroplanes! Or, economy class!

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I had a Pitts S-2A for a number of years 8-)

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04/25/2016 6:40 PM

Nice.

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04/28/2016 11:06 PM

Come to NYC.

You'd be amazed at what you require a license and/or permit to do.

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04/26/2016 2:39 PM

Microsoft™, the commercial branch of the NSA.

...and, I prefer PAT PAULSON be on the ballot ticket!

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04/28/2016 8:09 PM

And now another reason to hate Microsoft and W 10:

Microsoft blocks Google Chrome & other browsers from Cortana in latest Windows 10 release

I happen to like different browsers, for different reasons.

Now, the A$$holes in Bill's gang have tightened the noose.

Don't try to sneak a new browser in, because "they know when you are sleeping, they know when you're awake, they know if you've been bad or good, so be good for Billy's sake." (There's a song in there, somewhere )

Enjoy W10 suckers!

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04/29/2016 5:07 AM

Your posts are becoming more & more frightening. Win 7 is now unsupported, Win 8 was no good, Win 9 didn't exist and Win 10 is spyware. Looks like the New World Order is taking over.

Any vote for Mrs. Clinton-Bilderberger is another nail in our coffins. Only D.T. might possibly save the USA.

P.S. Gates was supposedly observed at a Bilderberg meeting, but not on the public list.

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04/29/2016 12:48 AM

Time to reboot.

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