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Is Cursive Going The Way Of The VCR?

04/27/2016 2:16 PM

is it doomed as a skill all children learn in school?

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04/27/2016 2:21 PM

yeah, and so is capitalization.

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04/27/2016 2:22 PM

And spelling and grammar

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04/28/2016 4:08 AM

"Grammar - the difference between knowing your sh*t and knowing you're sh*t" - Anon

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04/28/2016 5:11 AM

And the difference between "Let's eat, grandma.", and, "Let's eat grandma."

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04/28/2016 6:00 AM

Either way they read it, it will still be the same outcome these days. Punctuation is dead. Cell phones and email killed it.

Punctuation is something one gets in a vehicle tyre.

Puncher is a flat tyre- (Brit)/ (tire-US) in Africa and amazingly they can fix punchers on wheels.

NB, Tyre is a rubber form on a wheel rim. Tire is a form of fatigue. Tire is binding a female, and the pen is no more mightier than the sword!

Comma: when some is ill.

Inverted comma: not ill, upside down in a hospital bed.

Exclamation mark: A deep scratch on a car paint work.

Period: Something a woman has.

Question mark: Something one does when noticing an exclamation mark on the car.

Parenthisis: Mum and dad.

Octothorpe #. Type of sea creature with many arms.

Pound sign £: Time to go on diet.

Hyphen -: Where one gets water or what ones does when you need fuel from another vehicle.

Apostrophe ': What happens when the day goes very badly. Or one of the 12 lads in the Bible.

Ampersand &; A gritty substance one gets covered with on a beech.

< >: Mr & Mrs Pacman

Asterisk *: A cartoon character.

Backslash, forward slash/ \: Something one gets for being cheeky to an adult

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And Tyre is a city...

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04/28/2016 9:51 AM

Commas, not just good grammar, they can also save lives.

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He was in a coma comma and the hospital save his life full stop All were happy exclamation mark

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04/28/2016 10:31 AM

Speaking of twisted grammar, I remember a puzzle from an old computer game, Wizardry: Bane of the Cosmic Forge.

To open this one door, you had to perform seven steps in sequence, out of about ten controls. You had the instructions, but they were written in 'Dwarvish Grammar' (aka 'Rambling Engineer') so the steps on the page were not in the order they were to be performed. i.e.: "After A, you do C, making sure B has been set first, then you do E, F, and G, once you have confirmed that X is off and D is on.." For sequence A-B-C-D-E-F-G. My brother could never get through that door, and kept setting off the booby trap (doing F while X was on triggered the trap).

I read through the instructions twice on the screen, then wrote them all out (the instructions were on a multi-'page' dialog, so some of the "but do this first" parts were on the screen AFTER the stuff you do after "do this first"), and pieced the correct order out of the instructions.

I even gave my brother a copy of the 'corrected instructions' and he STILL couldn't get through the door. How big did I have to write "Turn off X" for him to get it?

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04/27/2016 2:41 PM

Kinda difficult to do cursive script using only your two thumbs!

NOTE - ex-calligrapher here!

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04/27/2016 3:30 PM

Wot's a VCR, and which way is it going?

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04/27/2016 3:31 PM

Them kids heer enuf cursin on TV witout larnin' it in school!

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04/27/2016 5:14 PM

Sadly, cursive is dying.

Interestingly enough, I'd be willing to say that everyone reading this forum can write in cursive, except any doctors who may be members of course.

There's plenty of resistance, like:"It's hard because you have to keep the pen down and connect the letters," said Luis Carlos Miranda, who Chapman described as one of the better writers in her class of 23.

Should Arizona schools still teach cursive writing?

Before long, we'll all just be speaking into our devices and someday, we'll have a chip at the base of our skull and we can think and communicate without any effort at all.

Hopefully, the Great Scottie in the Sky will have beamed me up before then.

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07/15/2016 10:02 PM

"...someday, we'll have a chip at the base of our skull and we can think and communicate without any effort at all."

Was Simon & Garfunkel's Sounds of Silence prophetic?

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04/27/2016 5:53 PM

I was shocked when I first heard about this, I and thought it was a joke. But it's no joke. It doesn't even make any sense.

When I was a kid and saw the Declaration of Independence (you Brits out there, feel free to plug your ears for a minute), the only problem I had reading it was telling the f's from the s's. Now kids will look at it and do no more than give it a stupid stare of incomprehension.

I think this trend is asinine. Which specific individuals make these decisions??!

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04/27/2016 6:50 PM

I agree, looking at the old papers or documents that were hand written even from ones grandfather. I was impressed.... My handwriting has always been poor, I didn't realize how bad when that my 2nd grade teacher (in penmanship class) was paying me a compliment when she looked at my work and said... You'd make a good doctor.

I was out of high school when I realized that was no compliment. ;-)

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04/27/2016 6:59 PM

You should see some examples of cross-cursive writing. When paper was scarce, people would write until the page was full, and then turn it 90d and write crosswise directly on top. Not uncommon in the 1800s.

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04/27/2016 7:13 PM

Agreed! And you don't need to go back to the 1800's! The mail we used to get from my relatives in then-communist Poland back in the 70's was exactly that! So combine old fashioned European style cursive writing, with a layer of cross writing, with thin cheap paper that showed the writing through from the other side, with Polish language, which I only have mastered to the level of a fourth-grader.... and I'll tell you what... THAT is a puzzle for the ages! One double sided sheet would take me several evenings to decipher that they were saying "Rich American cousins... SEND DOLLARS!"

And even then, we would have to sew them into the clothes we sent, or else the Customs guards would pocket it. Unless of course they also pocketed the clothes. Then we were SOL.

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any chance you could send me 100 pair of Levis?

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04/27/2016 7:51 PM

Przepraszam pan Fredski. ale nie mam Levi's.

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No... I bought two new pairs of Levi's last Sunday wore one of them once and then belt loop pull off when I pulled them up. I checked he'd them before I bought it, but must have missed one belt loop. Very poor quality sewing and not enough threads. Wrangle and Lee's (the poorest quality) and Cartharts the same... But one type of Cartharts, has heavier canvas, and heavily sewn.

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Try Duluth Trading--Tough pants….

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04/28/2016 2:55 PM

Co-worker mention that also... That is the next on my list.

When I mentioned about the problem, I did quite realized it was so wide spread.

Quite a few chimed in and said they're having the same problems.

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Duluth Trading. Tough pants, comfy underwear....

...disturbing commercials.

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Yeah--I am trying to get off their mailing list…Easier to get on than off---Good stuff tho', and something is always on sale...

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"I think this trend is asinine. Which specific individuals make these decisions??!"
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"Now kids will look at it and do no more than give it a stupid stare of incomprehension."

Ever wonder if that was the purpose to begin with?

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"Ever wonder if that was the purpose to begin with?"

Could be, could be. Break the link with History, and you can rewrite History to suit your purposes. It's so simple, so subtle, Machiavelli would be proud.

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I certainly hope so.

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04/28/2016 11:06 AM

My penmanship was always so bad that I quit trying to write cursive (except for my signature) somewhere between 50 and 60 years ago. I used to be able to read my own signature, but now only the first 2 or 3 letters are distinguishable. I only write 2 or 3 checks a year, and they don't seem to care whether it is legible. Ditto for the signature pads on credit card machines...

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As long as the signature resembles the one on the signature card, it's all good. And they only check against the card if there has been an 'issue' raised, such as "I lost my checkbook, and I don't remember the last good check I wrote," or "I never wrote a check for THAT."

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Several years ago, a friend of mine had several checks ripped out of the middle of his business register, and fraudulently filled in and the thief was able to cash them at the main branch of his own bank. No one checked his ID. My friend was able to use the account signature registry against the bank and was refunded all monies back into his account. I imagine the teller / s were given a severe reprimand, or worse, for failing their own verification requirements. BTW, the amounts were in the 5 figures, 5 times in 4 days..

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5 figures? to the left of the decimal point?

That also flags the IRS.

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Each check was in excess of $10K.. He had kept a business account with that bank, and its successors, for over 40 years, so they may have thought of it as GoldPlated, and dropped their guard on the withdrawals. It boggled my mind when I read the Bank's letter of apology and re-instatement of funds. (Probably to ward off a future Lawsuit.. and further penalties)

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It's not uncommon for a business even a small one to issue checks in excess of 5 figures. I just see it hard for people to get away with it.

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The skill stands on its own. It is the use of the skill that is at risk.

There is a raft of stuff in Wikipedia on this topic.

  • There is a book in the bookcase in the bothy that is written in German script dating from 1934; it is practically unreadable because the use of the skill is declining.
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04/28/2016 7:59 AM

Just think of all the new jobs created. 'Cursive Translating Specialist'

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Would that be a public servant?

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Tell me, when is the last time you had to write something? I don't mean print in a blank on a form, but actually write. Other than signing my name on checks, yes, I still use them and they are going the way of the VCR as well, I can't remember the last time I did so. That barely qualifies as long hand writing, because I followed my Father's style - make it illegible and very hard to copy.

Last time I checked, around here, it is not taught in school anymore. At least, not formally, as there are no more writing classes.

Foot note - VCR??? I still have a Sony Beta recorder. Now that is really obsolete.

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04/28/2016 8:47 AM

Well, not quite. but if my wife wasn't on 24 hour/7 day per week call, there would be no cell phones in our house that were turned on. We still use our wall mount push button dial land line phone. (another thing facing obsolescence)

I actually precede that device. I remember our first dial phone we got when I was 10 years old. We were party line and operator call until 1960 where I grew up.

Have you tried to buy a rotary lately? They are certified antiques now, and priced accordingly. I sold at least one per day in a temporary job at Radio Shack in 1972 for $5.00. In 2016 dollars, that's about $29.00. If you can find some at an antique store for that little, buy as many as they will sell you. I can move them here easily for double that.

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04/28/2016 2:02 PM

In our family, going back more than 5 Generations, we have made it a point to Always write Thank You notes, for any kindness offered, whether it be gifts or deeds. It really bonds you to the person and deed, and makes you take time for 1), going out and finding an appropriate card, and 2), sitting down and writing something appropriate. You will be surprised what responses follow. We do the same for all the Holidays, Birthdays, and the like. No E-cards allowed. We keep all of the written cards each year, and go through them before the Holiday season, make a list , and use it for part of our Holiday cards. We taught the Daughter to do the same, and I am sure she will pass it down to her children. It is getting harder for me to write as I have arthritis in my wrist due to Occupational reasons, but it forces me to use that wrist, and also forces my mind to slow down, and really think about what I am going to say, and then saying it in writing, Proper composition before writing makes sure you don't have to redo another card due to an error. My Second grade Teacher would be proud, as I spent many hours, during my turn, practicing my cursive on the blackboard in front of the other students. But that is just me.

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04/28/2016 2:26 PM

Yeah - that's what wives are for. She picks the card, writes any notes, and then just my signature needed, which as I explained, is definitely not cursive. If I personally sent a card to someone who knows me, they'd have a heart attack or stroke, or at least call to see if I'm loosing grip on reality. I am not what one would ever describe as a social being, and those around me know it, and apparently accept it. I have more conversations on this site, then I have any day at home or work. As Paul Simon once sang, I am a rock.

The teacher most concerned about writing properly, was my sixth grade teacher, and strangely enough, male. Men usually don't get into the finer side of neatness, but he was definitely a Felix Unger type. Always dressed so neat and proper. Other teachers had tried, but it took a man with a good oaken ruler in hand to get us to obey and write properly. (punishment was allowed in those days)

Unfortunately, any resemblance of fine penmanship he taught me disappeared in the last 54 years. It all started when I had to fill out multiple government forms, daily, with long descriptions on them, in a past job. Writing was much faster than printing. Sloppy writing even faster, and no-one ever really read them.

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04/28/2016 2:56 PM

A hand written note or in a letter form always carries weight.

More so than a email or text.

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07/18/2016 8:18 AM

I write my report first drafts in long hand...and I'm ~20 years younger than most of you...

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07/18/2016 8:22 AM

and I'm ~20 years younger than most of you...

your 3 years old ... you're quite an articulate unbelievable child.

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07/19/2016 8:12 AM

As my Mummy will confirm

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04/29/2016 1:43 AM

Sadly yes. We need to slow down and care about our language and skills.

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05/01/2016 8:00 PM

It is too bad they are not going to teach cursive writing in schools anymore, although some are still teaching the children how to sign their name. It is a nice skill to have and a beautiful way to correspond, even though my writing has a lot to be desired - more like chicken scratch. I find that I can write faster in cursive than print, it seems to flow across the page without having to stop and pick up your pen as often. Kind of like typing faster on a keyboard instead of an old fashioned typewriter.

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05/01/2016 8:11 PM

It literally amazes me that a college educated person today can't read my writing, It seems like a foreign language to them, unreal

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05/02/2016 6:43 PM

As an educator, I am no longer allowed to write cursive on the board, because many students can no longer read it. Printing takes longer. The long term effect is less teaching gets done.

The high lite. Us slightly older people now have a secret code from youngsters. Writing.

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05/02/2016 7:26 PM

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07/19/2016 8:15 AM

I've heard it said that a way to avoid surveillance is to use the hand-written word, and avoid all e-comms.

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