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01/14/2017 4:22 PM

Yes or no?

Will anything actually be remarkable?

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01/14/2017 4:39 PM

Would you care to explain what this is all about?

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01/14/2017 4:43 PM

Soap opera. Something about curses. Never had the urge to watch it.

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01/14/2017 5:07 PM

I googled 'oak island' and this seems to be what it's about. That and buried treasure or something. I don't watch TV, haven't for decades, and so I've no idea what's on TV these days.

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01/14/2017 5:38 PM

Absolutely nothing.

More commercials than anything else. We pay far, far too much for Direct TV and it mostly all sucks. I haven't sat down with a stopwatch but I'm guessing that a 30 minute show runs for maybe 20 minutes.

I quit watching any news since it's all bad and almost all about the 800 pound gorilla with an orange face.

The thing is either on a cooking show or any and all football, depending if it's the wife or the 12 year old watching.

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01/14/2017 5:44 PM

I lied. I was in my mechanic's waiting room yesterday whilst he serviced my car. On the tube were reruns of some show featuring a lot of very dated blokes wearing mullets. The most disconcerting thing about it was that Betty White looked younger than me.

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01/14/2017 5:49 PM

It was probably the mullet that made her look younger than you.

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It was the blokes wearing the mullets. I don't think Betty White's hairstyle has changed in at least several millennia.

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01/14/2017 8:11 PM

I don't think she had the same hairstyle when she was doing striptease using the stage name 'Ascertain'...and that certainly wasn't more than a decade or two ago.

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Priceless!

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01/14/2017 10:58 PM

It seems you can't escape decades old bad TV.

What were you watching with all the grumpy men?

It wasn't NOVA

don't get me started on Betty White - She is the poster child for being run into the grave by entertainment managers. Can the lady retire please?

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01/15/2017 9:16 AM

"What were you watching with all the grumpy men?"

This thread and a couple of others.

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01/19/2017 12:12 PM

We only watch the reruns of old shows on OTA TV, except for some nature, business or science shows on PBS, but even that station has started getting very commercialized too. Anyway they are always begging for more money and ruin many of those shows

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01/14/2017 8:00 PM

Television has a lot to answer for.

The Roman empire lasted 500 years. They would not have lasted that long if they had had television.

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Rome had Caligula, Nero, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus II and other mentally imbalanced emperors.

We're just about to start our downhill slide into oblivion, for the same reason, after just 200 years.

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"....just about to start our downhill slide..."

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Wow. Never seen you play the optimist.

It's not a good look for you, it's actually a little unnerving. Best if you doff that getup and re-don the cantankerous curmudgeon.

Once you are back on familiar ground, I doubt you'll miss the indications the slide began a while back.

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01/14/2017 9:38 PM

The tipping point is when there are fewer generating more wealth than the number fighting over what's left.

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01/16/2017 11:37 AM

All of those mentally challenged Roman emperors had one thing in common: drinking water contaminated from the Lead water piping.

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01/16/2017 12:37 PM

Yes, and that could never happen in modern times.

Wait well, maybe it couldn't happen in middle and upper class cities, of which Flint Michigan is not a part.

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01/16/2017 1:12 PM

To its credit, Flint, Michigan has never produced one single mad emperor - a claim New York City can no longer make.

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Lead pipes were only have the issue, the other half was acidic water with low sulfate level, thus soluble metals. Volcanic springs will do that.

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01/17/2017 2:28 PM

other mentally imbalanced emperors.

I read that it could have been because of lead poisoning due to the lead goblets that the aristocracy was using.

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01/19/2017 3:22 PM

All because of the dishonest, and agenda ridden media, worse than a plague of frogs with ticks with fleas.

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01/14/2017 8:27 PM

Television doesn't have to answer for anything. H. L. Mencken summed it up when he said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." TV is just a business trying to not go broke.

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I had, erroniously, attributed that quote to P.T. Barnum. I looked up H.L. Mencken and found this, about electing a president;- The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre-the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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01/15/2017 7:22 PM

No doubt they'll soon be watering the Rose Garden at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW with Brawndo.

I can hardly wait.

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01/15/2017 7:51 PM

After Trump's entirely independent family members acquire the Brawndo company. Never heard of the film, but it looks like a 'must see'.

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It is loosely based on Cyril M. Cornbluth's The Marching Morons (1951).

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I'd take a moron any day over a dangerous maniac with no human qualities.

Andrew Westman, we'll make America great again by digging coal all the livelong day and tending golf courses.

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So i could become president? Shame i wasn't born in Murrica or Hawaii. I recall a time when Oz was called the 51st state due to our slavish puppy like following of "the Prez". Things haven't changed much so maybe i do have a shot.

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Nope. You're too sane, too modest and have many redeeming qualities that the Emperor-in-his-own-mind never could possess.

Back on topic, Arizona is geologically, and climatologically, very diverse.

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"I recall a time when Oz was called the 51st state due to our slavish puppy like following of "the Prez". Things haven't changed much ..."

Boy does that hit a nerve. Sometimes it seems that if you want to know what's trending in Murica, check out the latest rage in Oz. The education system for instance; so dumbed-down that my fiancee felt compelled to pull her daughter out of the public school system is now home-schooling her - with excellent results. When she went over her daughter's papers and school materials right after pulling her out, one thing was immediately apparent: they weren't learning Jacques Schitt. Now when her daughter talks to her friends about, say, the planets of the solar system, names them in order and can speak knowledgeably about their atmospheres and moons, they look at her with blank look as if she had just come from one of them. She's in Year 3. I could go on and on. Oz needs to take its identity back and stop hitching a ride on Uncle Sam's coattails. Australia is a wonderful country. It doesn't need to play "Me too!"

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01/16/2017 11:56 AM

They didn't need television.

They had actual gladiatorials, etc...

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01/16/2017 12:07 PM

Now we have Lyn.

Same difference

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Bless not curse

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01/14/2017 8:41 PM

What's this about? Soap Opera? I don't watch them

This show is following the continued search for answers.. Not necessarily "treasure" in the gold and rubies sense.. It could be any number of antiquities that may or may not be found.

It's a very interesting show from my perspective, The search has been going on for more than 200 years at a cost of millions.

Most people know about Oak Island from a Readers story decades ago.. (I still get RD) ..The fact that the search is available for everyone to follow is a real treat.

I know the show has it's hecklers.. they all do, but hey.. I like the history aspect as well as the quest for knowledge.

James / others? Don't think yourself to special for not watching TV for decades as you spend how many hours in front of your computer? cough media cough u-tube cough

I can say I haven't enjoyed a sit-com in years as well as a slew of other things, but that only mean I don't care for them.

'Hell on Wheels' is good for engineers...

'Bates Motel' is a little psycho..

'Nathan for You' is horribly fun to watch.

Those are shows I can recommend.

..Now catch up with Oak Island!! Strangeness is afoot

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"James / others? Don't think yourself to special for not watching TV for decades as you spend how many hours in front of your computer? cough media cough u-tube cough"

Why must our choosing to not watch TV be due to somehow thinking ourselves 'special'? In the absence of your actually knowing why we don't watch TV, your only source of info is your own imagination, and so what are you really telling us? That, if you didn't watch TV, that would be your reason? I can't speak for the others, but that certainly isn't mine. My reason?

I don't watch TV because I don't enjoy it. It's as simple as that. I do however enjoy using my computer, and that's good enough reason for me.

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ok.. nobody's special. (certainly not my quips, jabs, or jokes)

You don't like TV, but you take in media..TV is media. and the computer is the TV... that's my sinister view

I haven't had DirecTV or Cable in years. I quit when it popped $150 a month for a basic package with DVR. I stream.. through the computer.. the origin of a 'show' can be a single person or a megacorp.

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I've nothing against media, it's TV I don't enjoy, specifically - its noise, its violence, its adverts. Most of the programming doesn't interest me. I can't speak for anyone else here but for me it's like inviting a garbage truck to back its load into my lounge room, whereas I am a bit pickier about the sort of garbage that I do allow. Facebook, for instance, is verboten. It's a bloody open sewer. I stream music on my computer, videos not so much because my Internet 'service' here is too poor to sustain the necessary bandwidth. Half time the Submit this Comment button doesn't even work because the connection has dropped again (which it does between 100 and 600 times a day). Count your blessings that I can't post more often.

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And to think that we pay for this abuse. Oh, we pay for Windoz 10 too, so we must like it.

U.S. Internet connection speeds still lag behind other developed ...

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There's a big difference between watching TV and using the computer. The computer is interactive, you can actively search for information. On the TV, you are basically spoon fed what the network wants you to know (when they get around to telling you after a bunch of obnoxious used car commercials).

It's the lack of active interaction that makes TV so mind numbing. IMHO.

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01/14/2017 9:59 PM

Exactly! Why passively watch grumpy old geezers pissing and moaning on TV when you can come here and actually stir the pot a little? (be still my heart)

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so watching TV shows on TV Via HDMI through computer is not watching TV?

Is that because I use a mouse and a keypad rather than a remote control?

Well I don't watch TV needer.

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Sure, you can use your computer to play TV programming in your house. You can leave it on, letting it handle all the tough decisions.

It will unburden you from having to decide what deserves your attention.

A lot of programming goes much further, releaving of the arduous chore of deciding how you feel about what is being put in your head.

Laugh tracks let you skip the work kf deciding what is funny.

Commentators let you turn off thought without missing out on opportunities for outrage.

Sound tracks direct the appropriate emotional response free of any critical evaluation on your part.

Commericials instruct your duties of consumption. You needn't expend the slightest self direction.

Ever ready to continue, inviting you to stare open mouthed into the mindless oblivion without cease.

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Sure you could do that with your computer, but why?

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01/15/2017 10:01 AM

JC! It sounds like you have considerable experience with program content.

Either that, or you have strong opinions about something you have no knowledge of.

Bottom line.. Ya'll's are advanced humanistic bein's.

..There's a skip and mute function you might not know about ..anyhow.. OT at ever.

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"..Either that, or you have strong opinions about something you have no knowledge of...."

A good example of a logical fallacy known as a false dichotomy. Such modeling might be of some predictive use navigating the world of TV programming, but the utility is low for much of the rest of the world.

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I think the Oak Island story has as much credibility as the story of the Lost Dutchman mine about 30 miles east of my house in the Superstition Mountains.

More power to you if you like to watch it.

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01/15/2017 12:19 PM

It's got a little more teeth than that old story.

I'm afraid even YOU might enjoy it.

Heck. Even AW would enjoy it. And he hates it.

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It's a question of time allocation vs what an old man likes to do.

Exercises in futility are an everyday part of my work life and watching more futile efforts on TV just doesn't hold much entertainment value for me.

Like I said, if it entertains you, watch it.

I'll have plenty of time to develop hobbies in a couple of months when I retire.

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the ROI has been "deplorable"

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Can we thank them for doing historical research instead of looking at the bottom line? What's being spent here wouldn't last a few moments in the financial world of investments. Look at what's spent letting a guy trow a ball for a "professional" sports team.

What's the ROI on archaeological excavations besides the historical significance?

These guys are giving back with this search for answers.

Hell. In an age where it cost's tens of millions to release a POS movie of tv show.. this IS a bargain

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01/15/2017 12:08 PM

Don't forget the advertising revenues in your calculations.

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This and other recent events just proves that there are millions and millions of flaming idiots out there.

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01/14/2017 9:22 PM

The only thing that is remarkable is that people actually have that kind of money to waste....Reminds of a guy I knew named Larry, he spent his entire life and family fortune hunting for bigfoot.....He was eaten by a bear with surprisingly large feet a couple years back....Sorta makes me think of the search for extraterrestrial life....

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Sorta makes me think of the search for extraterrestrial life....

Yup, if we meet a race of creatures that have crossed interstellar space, our high-tech gadgets will be merely trinkets to them. On the other hand, we might make a rather tasty meal.

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01/14/2017 9:45 PM

It is clear that someone spent a lot of time and labor to create the underground structures that exist at Oak island.

Everyone has failed to solve the problem, mainly because an exhaustive exploration would be very very expensive if hired engineers etc are used, sort of $1000 per day (all in) per person, all fed watered etc.

The island is owned by some people in desperate need to solve it and/or get back the money that they have spent.

I suggest the only way to do it is by drilling into known void areas, followed by clear water flush while an expendable current carried video camera with LED light on the end, carried by the current and with a 20-50 foot range. A steerable camera, at greater cost, could follow into areas of interest.

It seems to me they have a number of areas already found.

They can also pump down some sodium fluorescein in water and try to see wmere the bloom emerges (they may have tried this)

There are a number of books on it

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Have they tried GPR - ground-penetrating radar? GPR was used recently to discover buried structures at Stonehenge and also possible hidden burial chambers in the Great Pyramid in Giza.

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GPR is only good at shallow depths, and is degraded in salt or brackish water

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I can see that might be a problem. The better the soil conductivity the less the penetration.

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01/14/2017 10:16 PM

Mining guy here. Yes, even water with few ions degrades penetration. Dry ground is good.

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careful now.. you're gonna have people getting interested in garbage and folklore..

I've thought about a few ways to aid the search The way they go about things makes me go a little nuts at times.. (followed by hopping on CR4) .. I like the idea of letting cameras loose, but how to collect the data from that deep and far??

As for the water quality. They could be doing some off hour (most of the time) prefiltering with some basic media / pumps / hoses etc. followed by a period to let things settle.

I've been catching up on Wed when the new episode finds it way on line. I fear a season 4 ending cliffhanger is on it way sometime soon.

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The cameras are tethered, after the casing in in place into a void area it is drawn up a little to allow water to flush the area, also some settling time. Then the light and camera are sent down and a look is taken. The camera could stay in the pipe and look out? Or some other mechanical aspect. Even a small DC motor to drive a small tracked camera mount. Everything will have to evolve as the hole is drilled and you see what you find, and then progress further.

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01/15/2017 10:33 AM

Its very tantalizing but I don't think they will find, lost manuscripts

of Shakespear, millions in gold and silver or the holy grail.

They sure are spending a lot of money searching.

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Agreed.. I don't think so either. But the claims of what has been found and the promise of what may be found do make the search worthwhile.

Finding conclusive activity that predates the search is reason enough to continue the search. If they find anything of significance during the course of this endeavor it will rewrite history as we know it. It will also be an incredibly cool moment. We don't get too many ancient mysteries here in North America.

It has nothing to to with adverts. laugh tracks or grumpy old men.. Apparently all of that is reserved for engineering forums.

FYI - most of the TV/media I consume is about construction, manufacturing, business, history, future and science. I don't watch Full House like the rest of you must have.. And that's why there's a bad taste in your mouth for television.. (understood and I'm sorry) I don't do the FB, TW, SC, MS gobbldygook either. dreck for the masses.

(it's here because everyone is binge watching Oak Island)

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01/15/2017 12:59 PM

if you actually like long odds perhaps you'd enjoy investing in a pair of hiking boots, a pick, shovel, metal detector and a freshly drawn up treasure map I can make of the Superstition Mountains in AZ?

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What does Superstition Mountain with a tale of murder? have to do with Oak Island and an engineering mystery that could predate Columbus?

Send me your cash and I'll send you more lame jokes.

While I've explored and hiked all over the place.. AZ too... It's nice, but I like trees.

I'll be happy when I'm out on the trail (any) as often as I'm not.

I'm flabbergasted at how little interest there is in something so relevant.. But then again, I watch about 30 minutes of professional sports (which does cost a literal fortune) per decade.

Keep your freshly drawn map - I'll do my thing. you do yours.

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"something so relevant" ? So relevant as a tall tale of pirates buried treasure?

I think not.

I don't see any relevance to anything connected to Oak Island or the Lost Dutchman except as a curiosity.

The Superstition Mountains are beautiful and I assume Oak Island is too.

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Arrgh.. Well a pirate's booty is only one of many possible origins of the mystery?

I love AZ in the spring. I have some friends there north to south and can't wait to visit again.. just not in July .. .well maybe Flagstaff in July..

Perhaps I'll check on the Superstition Mountain next time. Having no preconceived notions might just lead me to the mother load.

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Winters are awful here, too.

It's a bleak, cloudy day here, 60°F right now.

I just mowed the front yard. (OK, it's "winter" grass)

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Mother load

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How'd you get that photo of my daughter's bedroom?

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Hmm... possibly mine is her evil twin?

Methinks it's a universal trait.

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Trust me, boy's rooms are just as bad.

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I'm sure I have scars on the bottoms of my feet from stepping on Legos barefoot. I have two boys also.

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I was just though that area in December. Probably drove right through Lyns backyard so to speak too.

As for the lost Dutchman's mine local sources say it was likely found some time ago and was located in the area up where a mining company has taken the top of one small mountain off over the years.

Fun folklore story but reality is given the advances in technology and geological/topographical satellite based mapping plus everything else the location was probably found and taken over some time ago.

What would have taken dedicated teams of geologists and mapping crews months or even years to draw up we now do with satellites in hours and over areas vastly greater in size and with incredible precision and accuracy.

Heck, I could post simple GPS coordinates to any point on this planet now and most everyone here could tell me what'd there within 5 minutes just using their home computer and the internet's free services. A task that 20 years ago was impossible for the common person to do for free and a fairly costly process for anything but a dedicated mapping business to even undertake.

Personally as far as oak Island goes, for what they have spent in both time and money on that project I could have had that whole island leveled down deep enough to have found any noteworthy areas uncovered and those that were of interest excavated out a long time ago and more than likely have had a small army of engineers, archaeologists and general laborers working for free, just to be a part of the work, helping me do it and document it by now.

I've rna heavy earth moving equipment all my life and I can assure you it's only expensive if you don't own or rent the equipment and hire it done. Same with most every other thing they waste piles of time and money on.

I've watched the show a number of times and for me it's more infuriating than it is interesting. Unless something major changed how they are approaching things all I got out of the show was watching a bunch of rich dummies fumbling around largely hampered by their own piss poor planning and approaches to things.

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You make good points. My observations and critique parallels yours pretty closely. Perhaps the infuriating parts don't bother me as much because of the hell I've been through with people from all walks of life over the years. ...There's more than one 10X for the dumping of years and $.

To see these guys 'fumble the ball' or 'wreck the train' so to speak is indicative of their lack of knowledge on how to go about the task at hand.They have the drive and the backing, They fail by hiring experts end bassically telling them what to do rather than hiring experts and asking them what they should do. As discussed. there are a variety of technologies and methods that could be employed. In time is all I can say.

Any successful operation starts with good ideas and more importantly the plans to execute. I don't see them starting with good ideas very often. To their defense I know they are plagued by permission from land owners and governing agencies so I wouldn't expect to see the island strip mined anytime soon. But yeah. If they could just scrape a couple feet off of the entire island they would know exactly where the earth has been disturbed in the past. Obviously they would have to scrape off more in the areas that they and others have excavated to locate old earth disturbances, but it could be done. and it would be obvious. An important feature could be 100' away from the current operation and they will never know with they way they search. I'm a little surprised a dowser hasn't been brought in. I can imagine the onslaught of emailed, suggestions, and offers to assist are soooooo overwhelming that they ignore them wholesale. (to the detriment of the project)

All that aside. I'm still grateful for the work being done. They are following in a lot of footsteps and I hope that one of their thousand ideas put fourth leads Rick, Marty, the team and the previous searchers to the answers they seek.

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Wasted the whole first season on this charley foxtrot, and even w/o the commercials, it boiled down to a big nothing.

Interesting theories and discoveries at the beginning sucked me in.

Each session was just a teaser.

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I know what you mean.. I will suck you in if you care about such things..

You'ld have to be an idiot to not want conclusion. Is that right? or is it the other way around?

It's a love hate viewing experience in some aspects, but great nonetheless.

I didn't find it until about a year ago and it's been a treat for us to enjoy the theories and scold every lame wood fiber etc.

Finding nothing would be an ok answer, but it will still leave a lot of area for doubt that the location of the search is correct.

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01/16/2017 1:58 PM

It might be a disappointing, but an acceptable, conclusion if they ultimately found a dozen(?) empty treasure chests at the bottom of the shaft, thereby implying that somebody else got there first...

In the mean time, I wonder if an (industrial-strength) ground-penetrating radar/sonar/lidar/(other)-dar, etc. could be lowered all the way down to more accurately ''map'' what is, and isn't, down there, for a full 360 degrees, top-to-bottom...

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I doubt that a radar would work under brackish/salt water. Very igh frequency sonar would work, (1-10 megahertz or so = short wavelength)as would video if water clarity could be arranged.

Hard to see how they could attract the money that would cost without some attractive 'cheese' as bait.

I am not sure what sort of clear space exists down there?

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Actually, in any conductive media the penetration depth decreases with increasing frequency. Communicating with submarines at operating depth for instance is possible only by using extremely low frequencies (and far too low to be practical for GPR by many orders of magnitude). Lowering the frequency increases the penetration depth but at the cost of resolution. A much better approach would be to use 3D seismic mapping techniques.

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Isn't that extraordinary?

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I'll get back to where my question began.

Not long ago Rick said.

"We have something that will astound you. It's remarkable."

-that's a bold statement - I'll wait and see if it pans out

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01/16/2017 12:09 PM

Evidence of 200 hundred-year old pirate treasure was recorded at about 140 feet below below sea level. Subsequent excavation has uncovered evidence of intervening human (shaft-digging) activity at various depths.

Even if the all of the (treasure) is already gone, I am surprised that it has not been declared an archaeological site...

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There is speculation that it was dug to depth, filled with loot, perhaps in an tunnelled adit? and then a sea entry was dug to make a permanently flooded site?

That said, they must have had a plan to dig from another site to the treasure trove in the adit by a path that avoids the flooded section?

Or it could be they dug and dug and the sea came in and they said we = screwed and they left?

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From a Construction Engineering stand-point, I have to wonder how long it would take to duplicate the simple shaft-digging effort with only tools available at that time?...

(And, how many men it took to dig how many feet-per-''adit''-per-hour, etc.?...)

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01/16/2017 2:23 PM

I suspect they will only find the out-takes from opening Al Capone's vault.

To be fair, I've only watched bits and pieces of this show and each time I've left the program in despair when I think about the public attraction over multiple seasons this show gets while real interplanetary exploration attracts almost nobody.

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I'd equate this to Pawn Stars, Dirty Jobs and some of the other niche shows that have a dedicated following. You either understand and appreciate the "plot" or you think it's dumb.

Deadliest Catch is different and you have to appreciate the real dangers that those fishermen face every day they are on the water. Tornado's been there.

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..almost nobody... Put that on the list of things I follow rather closely from a distance.

thanks for the link

..Al Capone's vault.. gawed.. I remember like it was yesterday. I grew up in a area where he had some property and are persisting rumors of tunnels etc.

..so the vault was a hot topic at the time.

Thank god it was only Heraldo's reputation on the line. He should have been arrested for his moustache alone.

As a yout' it was a pretty big disappointment that was equally hilarious. He took a bullet that day for anyone thinking of trying to publicly "find the treasure'.

It was terrible, and I didn't click the link.. I won't relive a moment of that crap..

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wow

and 23 kilimomometers per pixel..

a beaut'

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it looks odd as a planet.

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There's a reason that interplanetary exploration is not wildly popular with the public.

Nobody can relate to interplanetary exploration like they can buried treasure because they don't understand it, how it works and most importantly, what benefit will it give to humanity, including me.

We can't feed, house, educate or otherwise assure the future of so many children right here on Earth that it seems utterly foolish to blast rockets, that cost billions of dollars, into the sky never to see them again.

We can all relate to gold.

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Ironic that you should have that opinion.

Certainly we could afford to take a few educational peeks with some nano sats?

maybe less warring and/or related R&D to foot the bill?

less of it to foot the other mentioned bills?

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I see no irony at all in my opinion that people here on Earth, alive today, are more important than what space exploration may bring 50 or 100 years from now.

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I would prefer to see them chop a bit from the military budget though, about 7 times what NASA spends and mainly designed to kill people on Earth alive today, ya know? For my part I think it's pretty amazing how much scientific knowledge NASA generates from their shrinking budget, versus how much new scientific knowledge is generated by the far-more-costly F-35 program (alone) whose scientific ROI is exactly zero and neither feeds people nor educates them? When it comes to slashing budgets, why does everybody always target the mouse whilst ignoring the elephant?

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U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined.

That's $600 BILLION.

And the idiots who are in power now want to spend more. Where will the profits go?

Not to protect anybody. Not to feed starving children in the USA. Not to space projects.

Nope, it will go straight into the pockets of the incoming administration, their family, cabinet and Congress.

That does not include NASA's pitiful little sum, nor the billions that the NSA is throwing away recording my keystrokes of phone calls.

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The MIL-SPEC procurement process has hobbled US military and Scientific expenditures for decades. It originated in early military failures in the 1950's, and went to the extreme that every 1/4w single resistor was specced and had an archived x-ray.

Needless to say, $1 billion bought about $50-100 million worth of equipment.

Russia paid far less for whatever they made and were able to more or less match the USA in most areas, and far exceed them in ground military and missile hardware. Not very good at sea. Defects in the USSR system brought about their collapse. Russia now spends far more smartly, yet the USA clings to it's crappy procedures.

Net result, Space-X can undercut NASA by a huge amount.

The military industrial complex does not similarly made economical jeeps. tanks, hummers etc., they cost far more than they should, same with all other weaponry.

China is also not troubled by the military industrial comples, so expect China and Russia to leave the USA in the dust.

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Having been a part of the military/covert communications/satellite complex, I cannot defend the practices of the past, as I got reprimanded for explaining the follies of traceability of selected materials that were a small part of much larger lots of identical materials, to the wrong person/persons.

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You informed the bosses boss about an inventory issue he should have no official knowledge of?

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Since you asked, early in my illustrious career at Motorola, I helped a project QA honcho who had stopped in our lab to get a small amount of adhesive for a secret satellite project.

I had just mixed a small amount (same manufacturing lot # and date, etc as the space project was using, but without the orange "flight" sticker) for an internal, non-space job and offered some of it to him.

When he asked if it was "his" material, my response was "it all comes out of the same barrel". True enough but not the correct answer.

I was 20 and fresh off the farm and out of college. How was I supposed to know he had no sense of humor?

Fortunately my boss, and his boss both understood and suggested that I not do that again.

I never learn.

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