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Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 5:02 AM

Hi people .
I am trying to thread for the first time with a jaguar Dashin lathe fitted with Fagor 800 controller ( photo below )
When i start operation it runs then gives error 017 , ( I - K parameters )
the manual says I & k are correction factors to allow for tool wear along X and Z axis.
Photo attached of the screen shots , what am i doing wrong ? is it the tool positions in X and Z that need to be occupied first before I and K can be applied ?

I have tried setting I and K to zero but problem is the same.
any suggestions please ?
tool 03 is the threading tool , tool position is correctly set to F6
You would see i am trying to machine a male thread M30 x 2.0 pitch

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 3:46 PM

Contact the manufacturer's tech support. What does the user's manual say?

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 3:58 PM

Brilliant technical reply laddie :)

its a 20 year old machine , factory support might reply within a few weeks if they do at all.

and I am hoping to do this emergency job on a Sunday.......because it's an emergency job.

The manual gives only the information I already posted.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 3:59 PM

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 4:17 PM

:)

its a very old machine by CNC standards and fagor has a low volume of market presence compared to fanuc heidenhain Siemens etc , so not many people will be familiar with them.

thankyou.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 4:36 PM

How's the weather there in Sydney? Looks like it might rain. :)

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/04/2017 9:19 PM

The problem has been resolved :

tool wear adjustment couldnt be applied when Z and X are set to zero in the tool table. go figure .

and the error codes refer to a fault in the process which follows , not to the actual fault.

:)

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/05/2017 12:46 AM

By George, I think she's got it!

--Colonel Pickering in "My Fair Lady"

(iirc)

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/05/2017 1:37 AM

That would be Prof. Henry Higgins.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/05/2017 1:51 AM

Oh, well, idrc, but at least I put in the caveat. Of course, it had to be one or the other.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/06/2017 12:36 PM

See? I tole ya not to be pokin' yer fingers into the slots, Laddie!

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/20/2017 3:31 AM

<...reply...>? The original poster needs to use the telephone, for goodness' sake!

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/13/2017 12:55 PM

Telephone ?

why ?

i don't speak Spanish and do you really think any factory offers support for a 20 year old machine ?

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/13/2017 1:14 PM

Probably no support other than sending you an old withered copy of the manual, not Manual.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/06/2017 12:35 PM

Apparently, your parameter data is inconsistent across three lines of data.

How did you manage to get yourself into this pickle of working with a CNC machine you are unfamiliar with in an emergency situation? Sounds like you leaped before you looked.

Punch in the I, K values the same all the way down to the turtles and try again (Laddie).

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/06/2017 1:17 PM

Turtles, is it? Don't mind if I do...

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

02/06/2017 2:38 PM

Those appear to be better than average turtle. Do you have any statistics on those?

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02/06/2017 5:05 PM

Turtles that colour are the type produced in machine shops after a tool crash .

that exact specification are in fact called trouser turtles

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02/06/2017 5:24 PM

Lol!!

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02/06/2017 4:55 PM

The " three lines of data" you refer to is part of the tool table , you only need one of the lines correct for the tool you are using , the others don't matter until you fit a tool in that tool position.

setting I & K values for all of them is irrelevant because they were not the problem , the problem was not having values in X and Z fields higher than zero even if the tool insert tip was at zero millimetres on Z axis.

the error codes generated didn't refer to the problem ,but to a process next in line .

i am sure the software improved in later models so that error codes refer to the actual problem.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/13/2017 11:14 AM

Is the threading parameter initiated.

after rereading, I see it must be...

with what your describe.

the manual says I & k are correction factors to allow for tool wear along X and Z axis.

What type of parameter is the tool compensation using for G41, G42

tool wear, or tool radius?

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/13/2017 12:53 PM

It refers to tool wear

but tool wear figure is not the problem as stated above.

the I & K values couldn't be applied unless there was a figure in Z and X axis of at least 0.0001 mm due to an oversight in the original controller software .

the software couldn't add I & K to a value of zero.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/13/2017 1:18 PM

This is a problem with older machines... lock of good documentations as well ass translation. And as I understand it, it was purchased used,... did you buy it from a end user or a used equipment dealer.

Through either way, you may want to contact the end user.

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Re: Fagor CNC Threading Error 017

03/16/2017 4:58 PM

I have the manuals but they are lacking detail . In fact google searches find a common complaint with those machines that "the manuals are lousy" .

i purchased it from an engineering shop but they would prefer to duck and hide rather help , they might feel embarrassed over some defects they forgot to mention. ;)

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03/17/2017 9:55 AM

Caveat emptor!

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