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Manipulated Global Warming Data--Billions Spent

02/11/2017 5:02 PM

I saw this report last week while I was out sledding up north. For some reason I thought it would be a bigger story. It may not be the first time information to this effect has been uncovered, but it seems newsworthy.

To my surprise I haven't seen any further coverage? Was there any prolonged national / international coverage that I missed or was all of it swept under the rug?

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02/11/2017 5:11 PM

I've been pounding the table on this for years, the sat data never matched the lies

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02/11/2017 5:52 PM

Why don't you both take this CRAP to the break room where it belongs?

The Daily Mail?

That's a reliable source?

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02/11/2017 6:49 PM

heres one of the fools who bought it hook line and sinker

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02/11/2017 7:41 PM

Crap in the break room? Thanks for the warning

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02/11/2017 5:55 PM

tcmtech posted about this same news six days ago.

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02/11/2017 7:39 PM

So he did! I totally missed it..

thanks

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02/11/2017 6:14 PM

The whole climate change question has been so politicized that the science is probably 20 dB below the politics. There is a lot of data that can be gathered, and at some point, someone selects "the best" data to use. Someone then has to decide "the best" models to use. I'm not convinced that deciding "the best" isn't influenced by what someone's superiors are expecting the answer to be.

There is a lot of data that can be gathered, and at some point, someone selects "the best" data to use. There are a number of models and someone then has to decide "the best" models to use.

I'm not convinced that deciding "the best" isn't influenced by what someone's superiors are expecting the answer to be.

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02/11/2017 7:37 PM

I'd say the best and only reliable data is what's going on outside at the moment.

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02/11/2017 7:48 PM

You have few rational allies when it comes to climate.

Senator Throws Snowball on Senate Floor to Disprove Climate ... - Time

Jim Inhofe's snowball has disproven climate change once and for all ...

Inhofe throws a snowball on Senate floor to disprove global warming ...

The moon got sort of dark last night. Does that mean that it is "going out" and will be dark eventually?

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02/11/2017 7:55 PM

Well look at the Time. Where do they stand in terms of credibility?

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02/11/2017 8:01 PM

About 251,000 results to my query seem to provide a semblance of credibility to the point I was making.

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02/11/2017 8:10 PM

So nobodies been duped?

Can you list the ailments you/we have due to man "wreaking havoc" on the environment?

Can you inform us on the corrective action?

I hear parking lots are horrible for the environment. I've heard it for years and years.

You must feel quite guilty. but don't

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02/11/2017 8:38 PM

Really? Parking lots reduce pollution. Do I have to spell out how?

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02/11/2017 8:13 PM

What's going on outside is weather, not climate. I look outside and I see a woman in a peach-coloured dress. Am I to conclude from this that her entire wardrobe consists in nothing but peach-coloured dresses? Climate would be that she favours pastel colours, or favours brightly-coloured shirts and jeans and that the peach dress is an exception to the rule. In other words, I have to see the whole wardrobe. Looking outside tells you nothing, any more than does a single point establish a line.

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02/11/2017 8:28 PM

Wait I'm still thinking.....

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02/11/2017 8:56 PM

She's easy on the eyes.

The lady I saw was a bit stockier, of the "Shiner Bock Passes Through Hundreds of Quality Czechs Daily" variety.

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02/11/2017 8:33 PM

No. but you can conclude there is a woman outside who wears weather appropriate clothing.

In chicago we can have a 50 degree day any day of the year.

If I had a friend who only called and asked about the weather on those 50 degree days.. (which are unusual during winter and summer) he might think Chicago only has 50 degree days.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

This morning I was just reading a story about the native american population that used to be a rich part of the upper midwest many moons ago. They concluded that the climate grew colder for a couple of hundred years and drove them away as they weren't able to raise corn.

The climate changes on a whim.. sometimes for a day. sometimes for an eternity.

Anybody that want's to blame cow flatulence is welcome to have that opinion.

If you want to tax cow flatulence then there's room for debate.

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02/11/2017 8:42 PM

" They concluded that the climate grew colder for a couple of hundred years and drove them away as they weren't able to raise corn."

Or, the white man came and killed them all. With diseases.

I give up.

Disney World ticket prices increase Sunday, take Freddy his fists need a rest.

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02/11/2017 9:28 PM

this was before the white man

I've visited some sites.

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02/11/2017 10:12 PM

Only you would be keeping track of Disney ticket prices.

A little aside. When I was 12 I went to Disney and Epcot.

A couple years later I went to florida with others.. I insisted that Epcot was the place to go with load of science and high tech attractions... we went to Epcot.. Of course they didn't understand my enthusiasm.. and they wished they were at Disney. Disney with teacup rides? What's to like unless you're a 3 year old girl?

It's a small minded world after alllll.

I'd hang with Fredski anytime.

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02/11/2017 6:53 PM

It wasn't swept under the rug. It was ignored, and for good reason: The Daily Mail has about as much credibility as the National Enquirer. At least the piece was a nice break from headlines of Kim Kardashian's cleavage to glimpses of Lady Gaga's underwear. Real high-calibre stuff.

And in true bottom-feeder Daily Mail fashion, there is no follow-up, nor any need. The piece did its job: getting folks to click on it in the hopes they'll also see the adverts and follow through.

Any whistleblower worth his or her salt would never have approached that rag. The mere association with it casts aspersions on his own credibility as well. This news coming from reputable sources would've made headlines, but coming from this source? Why did he approach them and not someone more credible? He's either complete fool or there is less there than meets the eye.

"But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data."

Okay, let's see this 'irrefutable evidence.'

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Factcheck: Mail on Sunday's 'astonishing evidence' about global ...

Figure 1 from Karl et al 2015. Almost all of the difference between the trends in the new and old temperature records were due to updates to ocean temperatures.

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02/11/2017 7:25 PM

Nothing quite like independent peer-review to keep people honest. Meanwhile, Daily Mail has no truck with honesty, and why should they? Sensationalism is their bread & butter.

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02/11/2017 7:42 PM

Thanks, but honesty is difficult to find in today's decisive world.

The Tweet now seems to hold sway with many. Far too many.

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02/11/2017 7:48 PM

No argument there. I don't read the daily mirror. However, I used to watch "The Young Ones" back in the 80's and they made a few comments about it's worthiness.

Are you certain that the Mirror isn't delving into a new and more honest journalism?

hold on.. mail.. mirror.. they're both M..

I did see that other news sources had picked up on this. FOX for instance..

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02/11/2017 9:22 PM

don't wake the petulant child he's sitting in the corner wearing his well deserved Dunce cap for buying into the fraud for years

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02/11/2017 10:01 PM

good reads.. and the Heartland Institute in Chicago? How can that be?

That messes with the popular misconception of our completely blue image.

the sciencey papery study link ?

it brought me (here)

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02/12/2017 9:05 AM

I hate the editor here. It not the first time it redirected a link to itself for me and I have seen it done a few times with others as well.

Anyway.

Sciencey Paper Stuff. (Modulation of Ice Ages. )

Gives a pretty strong impression that what we are seeing is likely a very normal inter ice age peaking event.

If anything, given the peaks of the last 4 inter Ice Ages where we are now is a bit low and behind schedule!

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02/12/2017 9:24 AM

Thanks for the clarification. So we're behind schedule?

perhaps we'll have Yellowstone blow the top in conjunction with an Ice Age.

Too bad we can't just warm up the planet.

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02/21/2017 6:04 PM

With the winter we've just had, I believe it!

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He seemed to have been knocked down a notch though...

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I refuse to argue with idiots!

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02/12/2017 10:28 AM

Sure, that and you're disgusted.

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Stop talking to your mirror then!

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OT scores for anything (especially from me) that goes counter to his views seem to be up though.

Passive aggressive approach since the direct counter debate tactic kept coming in way short?

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02/13/2017 7:16 AM

Passive/Aggressive is correct. Had a exchange on the matter recently.

I can respect ones convictions, even if it crosses a line now and again. That's understandable, but to cross the line then get called on it, apologize and don't mean it, only to start a whole another thread with the same BS, is a petty man.

Fortunately OT don't mean much.

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