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Interesting Slow Down in Ocean Heating

02/12/2017 11:06 AM
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02/12/2017 12:18 PM

you're asking to be attacked by the hyper whiners

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02/12/2017 12:45 PM

No bother Scully, the truth is out there! It is a democratic right for folks to whine, keeps them alive and also why I selected the wording, 'Though these may be of interest to some here".

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02/12/2017 12:51 PM

when you vehemently oppose a position only to find out you were totally wrong causes many embarrassment. don't expect them to admit that they wholeheartedly bought the lies for years only to see they were fooled the entire time

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02/12/2017 1:34 PM

Well as Bush tried to say, fool me once.....mmm! Fool me twice.......mmm! It is a Tennessee saying I believe, that they use in Texas. And it means a fool cannot be fooled twice, so there is hope for them yet not to be fooled anymore.

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02/12/2017 5:36 PM

Misunderestimated is so many ways...

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02/12/2017 1:11 PM

I'm not sure the articles really support the picture you seem to think they do.

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It seems like because of the most recent dip, one of the authors is claiming there is no longer a significant warming trend.

That author notes 'temperatures have returned to 2014 levels'. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here and believe he isn't trying to deceive and just has no experience working with trends.

A momentary blip down thatprovides a low, roughly equivalent to a high in 2014, is not sufficient to claim no upward trend.

The graph they are presenting as evidence of a pause, offers no such evidence, just the opposite.

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02/12/2017 1:40 PM

I actually found the articles were contradictory, did show a pause, (hiatus). But when one earns profits from the hype, it has to be shot down or you are out of business.

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02/12/2017 12:47 PM

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

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02/12/2017 5:51 PM

I can't help but be somewhat suspicious of the indications of deep sea temperatures going back to even the first half of the 20th century. We didn't seem to take that much data from the ocean depths too much before the 1960s. Harry Hess proposed sea floor spreading around 1960.

It is difficult to find information on the number/locations/frequency/depths of deep ocean temperature measurements historically. Many texts still say deep ocean waters are very uniform in temperature ranging between 0 C and 3 C.....which suggests these sources have not been clued into enough samples to provide resolution necessary to notice.

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02/12/2017 2:46 PM

A fascinating thing will be, if the ice caps do melt, again, what will we find buried in the snow and ice? Will it change history and what has been assumed? Would it be published and what if hypothetically, they suddenly discover UFO bases, pyramids, in tact dinosaurs, and evidence of civilization of buildings, roads, artifacts, crops?

Would we be condemning warming then?

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02/12/2017 3:01 PM

The earth is dynamic not static. There will be variations in any aspect of the earth. Trend lines only show a portion of the actions. Maybe the oceans are heating up because of the nuclear spill in Japan? Kinda depends on where you take the temperatures.

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02/12/2017 4:01 PM

The article states they use bouys that float around, so I would take it that these measurements are all surface temps, or near surface, and dependent on sea/ocean currents which are dynamic. I think they should obtain and include deep sea temps where there is no sunshine that far down.

If these are only surface temp recordings, they are quite meaningless in an overall aspect. But...stats are manipulated to prove anything.

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02/12/2017 5:14 PM

"Maybe the oceans are heating up because of the nuclear spill in Japan?"

Sometimes it helps to look at the numbers, to get a better perspective on things.

I'm going to fudge and assume the radiation spill generates as much power as the plant was capable of generating when it was operating. The radiation leak doesn't generate anywhere near that, but let's assume it does, just to see how fast it could warm the oceans, assuming no other energy input or output.

The Earth's oceans contain about 1.332 billion cubic kilometres of water.

The specific heat of water is 4.186 Joules/gram °C, that is, you would need to pump 4.186 watts into one gram of water for one second to heat it one degree Celsius. One cubic centimetre of water weighs one gram.

The Fukushima power plant's generating capacity was 4.7 GW.

1 watt = 1 Joule / second.

How many grams of water are in the world's oceans?

1.332e9 km3 * 1e9 m3 / km3 * 1e4 cm3 / m3 * 1 g / cm3 = 1.332e24 grams

How many Joules to raise the oceans' temperature by one degree Celsius, assuming no other heat nor out?

1.332e24 g * 4.186 J/g °C * 1°C = 5.576e+24 Joules

How long would Fukushima have to run at full power (4.7 GW) to heat the Earth's oceans by one degree Celsius?

5.576e+24 J / 4.7e9 J/s = 1.186e15 seconds

How many seconds are in a (Gregorian calendar) year? 365.2425 days * 86400 sec/day = 31556952 seconds

How many years to heat the world's oceans by 1°C?

1.186e15 secs / 31556952 s/year = 37,593,307.9 years

37.6 million years, give or take a few.

March 2017 will mark six years since the Fukushima disaster. How much could it have heated the Earth's oceans since that time, given the above conditions?

6 years * 1°C / 37,593,307.9 years = 0.000000159 °C

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02/12/2017 5:18 PM

Thank you.

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02/13/2017 12:46 AM

Erratum:

1.332e9 km3 * 1e9 m3 / km3 * 1e4 cm3 / m3 * 1 g / cm3 = 1.332e24 grams

should read

1.332e9 km3 * 1e9 m3 / km3 * 1e6 cm3 / m3 * 1 g / cm3 = 1.332e24 grams

the result is unchanged, however (e9 + e9 + e6 = e24).

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02/13/2017 9:13 AM

You appear to have been a fan of Charlie Eppes.

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02/13/2017 11:28 AM

That is worth a GA. I am just too lazy to do the math.

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