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Hello I Would Like Some Help on a Project

03/12/2017 11:59 AM

note I have limited knowledge of Engineering i've learnt what I need to build I find myself lacking the tools to build something (currently)

i've got two interesting projects for any qualified engineers out there who have got nothing better to do i only asked for 15 minutes on skype and for you to sign a non Disclosure agreement in those 15 minutes i will present you a once in a lifetime opportunity I know one of my ideas will work I know the existing market out there for it is extremely large Like billions with a b Large

for the last 10 years of my life I'd come up with ideas years before they'd be built for the first time

I've decided to act this time but not rely on my own abilities or my State of Mind depending on the time I pretty much appreciate somebody just building it and having a part ownership of it

I promise $1000 for just 15min to anybody if they can prove to me this idea has a market value less then a billion dollar

(No Russian Engineers) (no Chinese Engineers)

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Re: hello I world like some help on a project

03/12/2017 12:20 PM

That is a pretty bold post.

I for one would like hear why, if you are so sure this is a billion dollar idea, you would come to anonymous forum for engineering help?

Also, what issue do you have with Russian and Chinese engineers? Is this idea military related.

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03/12/2017 12:38 PM

very few engineers are billionaires, are you sure this is the correct pipedream?

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03/12/2017 1:10 PM

Sounds like a scam...

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03/12/2017 1:26 PM

Hear are the reasons why it's not a scam one I will never ask you for anything excluding your expertise initially 2 should you see in the value in the idea and only then will we proceed

Simple the market will dictate the price what it can do is equal to it's value and then some

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04/10/2017 4:40 AM

Sounds more like a social experiment. Put up a post with minimal information and big $$$$ and see how many people will jump and fight to get in on the "dream".

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04/10/2017 6:25 PM

Got you to bit too, huh? LOL

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03/12/2017 1:27 PM

Hear are the reasons why it's not a scam one I will never ask you for anything excluding your expertise initially 2 should you see in the value in the idea and only then will we proceed

Simple the market will dictate the price what it can do is equal to it's value and then some

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03/12/2017 1:38 PM

.. That's a bold statement

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03/12/2017 1:35 PM

No I'm not being bold I'm a very logical person everything I say here is fact Notice how much attention this post has got that is no coincidence I do what I need to get the attention of the right people buzz word No I will classify this is a form of manipulation not necessarily a lie

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03/12/2017 1:55 PM

Attention??? Several of us like to reply to every thread. Did you see the attention on several recent over-unity threads?

Tell you what, P.M. me with a brief synopsis and I will give you my honest opinion. Who knows, maybe I can help you.

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03/12/2017 2:07 PM

Let's say most threads over 7 days average 5 responses a day on average i've done that in a couple hours I'm doing pretty well

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03/12/2017 2:23 PM

We haven't discussed the topic yet.

I'm not impressed with the amount of responses of this thread. One because I am apart of them and two, on 2/1/17 I started the thread Are We Alone, which at this time is in the top 10 of all time for replies on CR4, with 468 replies, 1379 views. It's still slowly going. That's an average of 11.7 a day for the last 40 days.

I have told you I am willing to sign the NDA, haven't seen any other offers on that. If the heart of this topic is not released, I predict this thread will die quickly.

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03/12/2017 8:33 PM

It looks likes this thread just died

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03/12/2017 8:44 PM

No, it just moved to private messaging.

It's military-based and I have already previously looked into the concept and abandoned it, so no I am not going to get the $1000 for proving the concept is worth a billion dollars.

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03/12/2017 8:59 PM

I got PM'd too, also passed on the billion dollars. There's a lot of secret stuff out there that isn't disclosed for general knowledge (for a reason). Tho, I did wish him luck with his endeavors. ?

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03/13/2017 4:09 PM

I think OP Alex12 stated he would pay $1000 to anyone that proved it is not worth 108 dollars.

You should collect on that?

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03/13/2017 4:23 PM

Nope, like him I am not in it for the money.

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03/13/2017 4:07 PM

Why? I don't recall anyone mentioning Hitler...

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03/13/2017 4:29 PM

Yep, that is what alex12 is talking about, but bigger scale. Taking the concept and extending it to long range area effect point defence version to defend against massive projectile, jet or missile ship bombardment, along with the possibility of use as a ship to ship main weapon.

I mentioned to him the problems of projectile range, limited ammo capacity and ammo logistics.

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03/13/2017 4:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0ZAGOuaqg

as an aerospace friend of mine says, "they're making missles faster every day!

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03/13/2017 5:09 PM

I'm a big fan of the seewiz, its quite hard to find or come up with a better (in general) solution to current threats for this neech PD weapon system.

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03/12/2017 5:05 PM

Okay, if you are intentionally pulling our collective leg, this part is really funny....

'...No I'm not being bold ....'

Yeah? Well, I'm not being underlined.

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03/13/2017 4:06 PM

No, we are just saying that you making a statement typed in bold font.

Any hints as to what this idea is? Bigger than a bread box?

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03/13/2017 4:18 PM

when you cash the check for a grand can you loan me enough for a 12 pack this week end?

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03/12/2017 1:48 PM

I would appreciate anybody with engineering qualifications notify me asap no information will be exchanged first the non Disclosure agreement must be signed and witnessed I can arrange for a non Disclosure agreements to be post to you and postage back time is a factor I predict the world will bring this thing to market within within 3 years anyway i'm just speeding up the timetable (Video verbal contracts in certain countries will be some accepted countries) However they will be long and tedious

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03/12/2017 2:01 PM

Alex you're far from being the 1st paranoid control freak inventor to show up here looking for free calculations, that isn't how it works so I strongly suggest you stop trying to demand and control. basically this group enjoys solving problems. your idea may have merit, it might be impossible, possibly a joke or most likely its been tried before or already exists. the idea that anyone here is just here for the sole purpose of stealing from you is a delusion and an insult. no one is signing an NDA. we aren't a consulting firm. so either put up or shut up.

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03/12/2017 2:12 PM

The funny part about this invention is it doesn't require that many calculations pretty simple to be honest

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03/13/2017 4:14 PM

It isn't funny at the moment. Abstruse, yes. But not funny.

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03/12/2017 2:19 PM

I'm not asking for anything for free if you can verify that you're a highly qualified engineer I'll probably pay you but in the end I would just take that as an insult if you give me those 15 minutes and you still want to get paid I just give you a lower percentage of Ownership of the device you'd just be screwing yourself out of money anyway

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So P.M. me the info for the non disclosure agreement, I'll sign it. If you email it as a pdf, I'll get it back to you a.s.a.p.

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what are your qualifications

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03/12/2017 2:30 PM

I am a project manager for the Curtiss-Wright corporation, their Surface Technologies Division. I design, build and test machines for engineered coating applications. I am also the process engineer, designing the processes for all new jobs. Also I am in charge of the maintenance department. I have 33 years experience in the field.

Good enough for you?

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03/13/2017 4:11 PM

Well, J, he got you to spill the beans, didn't he?

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03/12/2017 2:00 PM

I'd like to note that I'm only bringing in qualified engineering because one I would like to get this done as fast as possible two having a qualified Engineers only going to help with that Good old fashioned rubber stamp One thing to go to a powerful person or people with money as an average Joe with no qualifications on the record but to go with the tick of approval from an engineer up stating that everything will work the way it's supposed to is not a completely different story

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03/12/2017 5:13 PM

Sorry, as others have said with so little information provided and what has been provided, this just looks like a scam.

I promise $1000 for just 15min to anybody if they can......

Email me their bank account details?

If this is a real genuine enquiry, perhaps you should try contacting a local university that has a research and development program you could partner up with. As of now we don't even know what country you are in let alone what Engineering disciplines would be relevant to whatever you are offering.

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...which is why it is abstruse.

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Haha... He's going to pay you money, but he'll need all your personal information first.....and of course your bank account number to wire transfer the money...phishing

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03/12/2017 5:22 PM

Is your exclusion of Chinese and Russian individuals for ethnicity or citizenship?

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03/12/2017 5:46 PM

How the literal f*** can you justify to me if I train can move at 8000 kilometre per hour the fastest your bullet you can move is mach 5 a train is over taking bullet going 6125.22 kph

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Your statement make no sense at all, WTF?

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This is not the sort of clarification I was hoping for.

Care to explain?

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For anyone reading this and confused this is related to a completely separate CR4 PM discussion on railguns and has nothing to do with this thread.

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Well, when you put it that way, it is obvious that I was silly to ask and that you (litterally) couldn't have been more clear.

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03/13/2017 10:23 AM

ALEX12 .....

Has your Primary Care Physician changed your medication recently ????

Or perhaps..... Have those voices in your head somehow become louder lately ???

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03/13/2017 10:42 AM

no hmm nice one it's easy to call somebody crazy without hearing things out i kinda sounds like i'm crazy i understand that I'm sure there's been thousands of people in history who have been proclaim crazy people Then 100 years later Proclaimed geniuses

It sounds like very sound logic wasting time calling somebody crazy on a website this whole comment is a waste of my time

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03/12/2017 6:03 PM

Welcome to CR4. As far as worrying about some on this forum "stealing" your ideas is kinda far fetched, it's Patent Attorneys you really need to worry about! And if you're worried about your idea being stolen, then you need to put in writing your basic ideas with some basic drawings then copyright (©) them. That's called CYA

You're not the first person to come here looking for "help with a project", there are 10 pages of the subject on CR4 and growing. Most, that come here looking for engineering help give some vague idea of what they like to design and build. Vague information results in vague answers if any at all.

As far as the responses to this thread, that because everyone here is always willing to help people that request "Help With A Project". Yes, that statement is an eye catcher, so don't pat yourself on the back just yet.

You should look at Ron Popeil, (who is not a certified Engineer) and what he did with Ronco to bring his "ideas" to market- using catch phrases.

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03/13/2017 11:04 AM

Metal Storm with Rotating 30X3 barrels/magazines with individual suspension increase the spread of the metal storm covering multiple trajectories at once creating small scale trajectory nets isolating areas that you don't want things to pass through large scale version of it could be used to fire rounds consecutively almost all vehicles and with the rights sensory technology setup it would take naval vessels down extremely easily they are very slow moving and are very big Target When compared with jets and other items used by the military

i could cover a 4 foot area to 100 square metres or just start firing multiple consecutive lines

Simply a higher rate of Fire wider spread more precision think of it like a dart board fire at double 2 10 shots at the same time you could be firing at 18 the only extra weight would probably be magazines not the bullets Basic frame could be made out of carbon fibre things such as the barrel magazines make out of whatever material heat resistant enough and strong enough to absorb blast Locking/unlocking for mechanism suspension/Hydraulics one device automatically unscrew them second device to bring in new magazine barrel load it Probably use it takes a few torpedoes same thing just lower velocity explosive rounds maybe

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03/13/2017 3:05 PM

Um guys, this isn't off topic this is actually what alex12 has been hinting to and Jpool and I have been discussing via CR4 mail.

I believe I have covered this in the mail between alex12 and myself but now alex12 has now started posting publicly I will post what I have already below as I feel it would be far more helpful for the thread (hope that's alright alex12). Feel free to add anything if I have missed it (or if you think I am wrong).

Alex12, probably best you post here instead of private mail with me. I have covered most of it and would probably just be repeating myself. A larger audience would help, I cannot be the only one here who has done conceptual design work on the stacked projectile system concept.

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03/13/2017 4:25 PM

You may be, I have not done any work on the stacked projectile system, but I am very familiar with it, Metal Storm, something like 2 million rounds a minute. Not sure how you can turn this into a gatling type gun, how would you reload it at a speed to make it effective? Stacked, caseless ammo is not going to load fast.

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03/13/2017 4:37 PM

alex12 is thinking of lots of barrels (still very, very limited ammo and long reload time).

Conceptually I never came up with a good concept for fast loading while still maintaining the super fast rounds a minute.

About the best I could think of was a rapid magazine loading system giving a burst firing pattern (which should be acceptable). Belt or similar loading just wasn't going to be nearly fast enough and was too bulky, expensive and unreliable since you need lots of barrels with individual loading systems to get the speed back up. Still good for (potentially) replacing standard case ammo.

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03/13/2017 4:44 PM

I don't see how this could be as fast or as effective as the Phalanx CIWS. Plus directed energy weapons are coming down the pipe. To me, precision weapons, rather than, mass projectiles are what is the future. Is this not akin to spraying the sky with AA fire, as in WW2?

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03/13/2017 5:12 PM

Yep, said it all before.

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03/13/2017 5:33 PM

Right, how do I take, "Don't tell me that won't make your piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

I consider Australia as an alley to the U.S., he says he is from Australia, sounds kind of like a threat to me.....

That is the main reason I backed out of helping him, that and everything I could do would be at work, and Curtiss-Wright would have claims on it, as Alex said to me.

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03/13/2017 5:57 PM

My take on his comments was that hi considers a scaled-up metalstorm-like ship to ship system would make modern navy technology and tactics obsolete, rather than a slight against the American navy in general.

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03/13/2017 6:11 PM

OK, maybe true, but I must and did back out because I work for a company that is a U.S. defense contractor.

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03/13/2017 6:31 PM

make US Navy technology obsolete????????? how damn arrogant and wrong

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03/13/2017 6:36 PM

Yup, I think you nailed it I don't think I'll be committing on this thread any longer, Alex may start thinking he's got more comments per day than .... any other thread

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03/14/2017 8:29 AM

I expect the US Navy is already light-years ahead of this thinking, and has pretty much wiped out any expected threat from over the horizon. Thank you very much.

Guided munitions on US Navy destroyer vessels are already basically one shot, one kill.

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03/13/2017 6:32 PM

"Don't tell me that won't make 'your' piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

That "your" makes it sound pretty personal and direct. Anyhow, that's how I'd interpret it

Yes, I did use Bold type, it seems that's the way I can empathize his statement

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03/14/2017 5:46 AM

Or even emphasise (or emphasize if you prefer)

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03/13/2017 11:54 AM

Hi Alex,

As an inventor yourself, I'm sure you're familiar with the life story of Nikola Tesla.

A good part of his life was spent trying to convince people of the magnitude of his inventions, in much the same way as you are doing now.

Some thought him crazy, while others saw his foolish naivety and profited from it.

The entire world is now dependent on one of his most valuable inventions - but he never adequately secured the commercial rights to his own inventions and he never made anything like the amount money from his inventions that he deserved because he was too wrapped up in being an "inventor" - and because of that obsession he ignored the commercial side of his affairs.

He ended up giving his best inventions away for peanuts.

His biggest fault was he was so keen to prove his ideas that he virtually gave them away to the robber barons who trickle fed him enough money to keep him busy while they took all the profits from his inventions.

You won't find robber barons here but you may want to re-read Tesla's story because if you really do have what you claim to have, it sounds like you could easily fall into the hands of modern day robber barons and you could meet the same fate as Tesla.

In spite of all his genius he ended life broke, destitute and begging for a living because he didn't know or care to learn anything about business.

Business and those who have what you need to advance in business are ruthless in their ambition to make money and you need to get some of that ruthlessness before you go spraying your ideas to anyone who'll listen.

From the lesson of Tesla's mistakes I'm suggesting you look at the life stories of inventors who've been successful and made fortunes that they were able to enjoy, and take your life lessons from those, rather than the guy you're sounding like now, Nikola Tesla.

Don't get me wrong here, I have enormous admiration for Tesla's genius but I also have frustration for his bone headed way of handling the commercial side of his affairs and it worries me that you look like you're making the same mistakes as he did, over a hundred years later.

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#38
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03/13/2017 12:15 PM

This is not by far my best idea or my most profitable it'd just be the most helpful i've got one that would make me the richest person in the world relies on existing mechanical feats That have been proven I'm just using them in completely different ways I don't really care about money to be honest

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03/13/2017 3:08 PM
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Ok, so putting it all together.......

This is my real idea

Metal Storm with rotational barrel expandable....

Create a shotgun sniper rifle want more accuracy just increased bullet density per the area that you aiming at....

and the below.

........

Stacked load electronic ignition weapons are the future in a number of areas (I have done some theoretical R&D concept work on them previously). Metal Storm Ltd has a number of patents, but I don't think they cover a concept such as what you are proposing (you should check).

Problem is they are short or standard range and comparable velocity to standard firearm projectiles. I believe they are also going to be the future of handgun, RPG and close point defence systems on such things as tanks (some of which may already be patented). Like standard bullets however they are no real good against such things as ballistic missiles at range or anything at great distance due to their limited speed and ballistic drop-off.

Rotating barrels really doesn't help here as you can only fit a finite number of stacked rounds in the barrel so barrel heating isn't a problem. Which raises the biggest problem of stacked load munitions - limited magazine size which limits it to hand guns, and burst point defence for RPG protection against vehicles, etc.

A standard gatling gun is just superior unless you can come up with a way to load the stacked rounds into a barrel fast enough. It wont fire as fast but if you can only fit say 100 into a barrel you will go through that real quick at 2 million rounds a minute. Cooling then becomes a big problem but can be overcome with closed-loop refrigerants or cryogenics, then barrel wear becomes a problem.


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You have one You have one Target you want to hit given the electronic firing mechanism time them to go off on the position behind in front every which f****** way you like virtually surround them with bullets basically highly tuned bullet net make the barrels expandable are magnetic hydraulic system taking a gun that can shoot 2 million rounds a minute and turned it into a gun that essentially 2 million rounds per minute in any direction you like missiles gone interContinental ballistic missiles gone naval warfare gone air Force gone

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03/13/2017 3:09 PM

and....

Re: Hello I Would Like Some Help on a Project 03/14/2017 7:50 AM
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I work with the Navy. This idea is a major concept shift and long range mass area denial or target destruction just isn't going to be considered. It is a step backwards from current methodologies and technology. They don't need to spam an area with overwhelming mass to hit targets, and I think you are underestimating just how much mass you are talking about ships carrying (as distance increases the mass coverage must greatly increase accordingly to ensure this wall effect rather than a net of bullets objects could fly between).

It has its place for targeted short range applications but not for navel engagements between ships (that's now missiles and rail guns) and shooting down targets like at range (which is conventional gatling guns to be replaced by stacked projectiles, missiles and lasers). Enhanced targeting and tracking is even allowing individual projectiles to be targeted and shot down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)

Unless there is a major paradigm shift and projectiles, jets, drones and missiles become increasingly difficult to target and hit this idea just wont work. Developments in super fast missile technology like the X-51 may push the requirements for a medium-range 'wall of lead' version in the future however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51#Applications_for_hypersonic_technology


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Simply a higher rate of Fire wider spread more precision think of it like a dart board fire at double 2 10 shots at the same time you could be firing at 18 the only extra weight would probably be magazines not the bullets Basic frame could be made out of carbon fibre things such as the barrel magazines make out of whatever material heat resistant enough and strong enough to absorb blast Locking/unlocking for mechanism suspension/Hydraulics one device automatically unscrew them second device to bring in new magazine barrel load it


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The 'wall of lead' principle really relies on the fact that you cannot intercept the object in question reliably or fast enough. With modern radar, optics and robotics allowing rapid moving of a gun barrel a zone of death can easily be set up with plenty of warning without the need to paint the sky in projectiles and hope for the best (modern fleets set up zones of detection out to many miles away giving enough advance warning, tracking and targeting, even for fast moving objects like jets and cruse missiles). Gone are the days when AA batteries painted the sky and hoped for the best.

Current navel battles don't really rely on overwhelming missile or projectile barrages as munition barrages like this are just too expensive and logistically a nightmare to maintain. Modern navel battles are done at range with small numbers of smart weapons targeted to produce the maximum effect with the minimum of collateral damage.


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if you scaled it up right design it well you would essentially have a bullet wall you can put bullet exactly where you need to put them according to the situation weather defensively or offensively I was thinking because the barrels themselves cover 180 degrees if multiple were set up in a line think a every 10 inches how safe for the f****** Navy Seal knowing that even if they were Outnumbered 10 to 1 it's actually wouldn't be that much of a big deal I'm talking redesigning fleets especially for this scaling up to a massive offensive barrage or defensive barrage design is relatively simple it's just the cost of iron and lead we both know those are expensive

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03/13/2017 3:10 PM

and the separate question on railguns and the use of vacuum in the barrel....

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They haven't been able to come up with anything practical to prevent the flash that I am aware of, and it is the flash that is the problem not efficiency regarding air resistance. Your efficiency figure of 5% gain is far to generous (try throwing a bowling ball in air and a vacuum, energy efficiency losses due to air resistance are negligible the same as here).

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Were talking about the US military here has cost ever been a factor for them so i'm reducing the size and the amount of energy bye like %5 or so you think how many billions of dollars that they've already spent


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There are serious design issues due to the raw acceleration power and force of the launched projectile which limit or negate efficiency-beneficial design considerations (like vacuum seals) and make them one-use at best with little benefit. Imagine transitioning from a vacuum to an air medium at that velocity as the projectile leaves the barrel (it has to transition at some time near the barrel). Not pretty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

Also try an internet search for railgun test for more details and video.

The vactrain example is a closed loop system, the railgun barrel is not. Air resistance compared to the mass of the projectile is also quite small, so what real benefit would there be compared to the extra cost, complexity and reliability issues of sealing the entire barrel to create a vacuum for the small period of time the projectile is accelerated and in motion?


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Has nothing to do with my original idea I was just discussing something in private chat with somebody I was wondering why the US has a rail gun that shots at mach 6 7350.26 kph yet doesn't have a vacuum seal on it to increase efficiency for God sakes a train can out run it His argument was that the bullets turn air into plasma I understand that could be a very real possibility at that speed but when you think in terms of the amount of energy that the thing has to uses each shot time it takes to fire a second shot any increase in efficiency would be a benefit itboathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain

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03/13/2017 4:22 PM

If it is something to do with weaponry then it doesn't matter here what the rewards might be, as many CR4 subscribers are bound by moral issues more strongly than by pangs of personal greed.

Further, this is an international forum and not a national one. So the prospect of several nations getting hold of a military idea and using it to rattle each other is not something that many Engineers might countenance. some hive higher principles.

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03/13/2017 4:33 PM

come on Slack, this is a good one, toy with Mr Arrogant a bit longer

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all I have to say is

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All of it? That's a disappointment...

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Multiple versions would simply do a better job there existing defence system and let's talk ammo capacity of three of these things 30x30=10800x3 32400 this ammunition could be expanded precisely at a 180 degree Direction over minutes or hours it gives you much greater flexibility in terms of area you can shoot out one of them can cover multiple areas you simply cannot say that about other Technologies doing same thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS VS half million rpm in any direction

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Your posts would be easier to follow, and you might get a bit more credibility, if you learned to use punctuation and paragraphs.

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i'm doing most of it via a phone it's not easy i have a 9 to 5 job you try typing this much up on a phone during your breaks i Don't double check my work usually on my phone I don't care about grammar ((Note the ammo capacity is only 1080 the individual gun)) 3X1080=3240 Provide well define evidence as to why it won't work better than a Gatling gun besides ammunition capacity and a small weight increase the trade off being Increase rate of fire Increase coverage area little bit of extra weight that's a good trade off In the worst case of scenarios you'd would be better prepared

this is the competition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure) range limited my device could get about 800 metres with the right set up even further

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-51 has the tendency to destroy itself with its own velocity and can only go straight or make slight changes in it's trajectory making it's very easy to shoot down or being very inaccurate due to not being able to change direction anything going over Mach 6 can have issues dealing with air resistance going to have problems with velocity problems with laser systems are completely useless they can't introduce enough thermal activity to destroy most missiles Rail guns are very slow to shoot you guys/girls Are quick to Talk alot of s*** without providing any technical specifics only useful for stationary targets slow moving large targets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS has a Extremely low coverage area and rate of Fire if they're both running the same Calibre bullets my device would win out in everything but ammo capacity although I could get my gun fully loaded just as quickly

You'd need a much larger version of this gun to take down ships and planes from a distance you'd have to use existing sensory technology

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" I don't care about grammar..."

Then how the hell do you actually expect anyone to care about or even read what you wrote. As a communicator, I give you an F-. Anything you have to say after that is on you.

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Incorrect grammar and arithmetic do not make a good impression.

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Before you go commenting things like that the standard Gatling gun would not be barrels are the magazines essentially it would give it a faster loading mechanic automated loading system think of how fast Formula 1 pit pitstop crews replace a tire it won't be a Gatling gun in terms capacity however it will be getting destroyed in terms of rate of Fire and spread multiple targets at once and as far as I know there's no way of shooting a bullet out of the the air without luck create a scatter shot the size of a football field in allotment of line creating a trajectory net any naval vessels would be destroyed

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Were the trial target to be Alex12, then no-one would be surprised.

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03/14/2017 7:35 AM

I wish I lived in the US and I could build guns and make designs for guns legally but I cannot it's very illegal here i have to settled for what I can legally do i'm building a PVC Nerf gun 3 nerf bullets back to back each supplied with adequate air pressure from 3 different directions at a 45 degree angle per nerf bullet essentially mimicking the metalstorm making the Hydraulics being replaced by small scale spring system I won't be able to time each individual nerf bullet firing proving conservation of ammunition can be achieved but i can cover Targets at a much greater distance by increasing bullet density per the area i'm shooting out essentially proving if scale to the right Calibre of bullet covering a 4 metre area with a scatter shot 5km taking your chances of 0% to 100% it would of courses only be used on high grade targets Ammunition conservation has already been proven by The Metal Storm project As well as the ability to time firing i'm just simply putting bullets where they should be

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03/14/2017 7:47 AM

I don't think we could build these guns unless we had a Type 7 F.F.L. (manufacturers)

And if you did get somebody in the states to build it, have you thought about how you would get it imported back to Australia?

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03/14/2017 8:43 AM

Selling it to the country with the biggest wallet (usa usa) and that has a democratically elected president ((moral obligations met)) they are not being very nice lately but whatever

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03/14/2017 7:38 AM

In the end location location location one of the nanny states of the world (australia)

I wish I lived in the US and I could build guns and make designs for guns legally but I cannot it's very illegal here i have to settled for what I can legally do i'm building a PVC Nerf gun 3 nerf bullets back to back each supplied with adequate air pressure from 3 different directions at a 45 degree angle per nerf bullet essentially mimicking the metalstorm making the Hydraulics being replaced by small scale spring system I won't be able to time each individual nerf bullet firing proving conservation of ammunition can be achieved but i can cover Targets at a much greater distance by increasing bullet density per the area i'm shooting out essentially proving if scale to the right Calibre of bullet covering a 4 metre area with a scatter shot 5km taking your chances of 0% to 100% it would of courses only be used on high grade targets Ammunition conservation has already been proven by The Metal Storm project As well as the ability to time firing i'm just simply putting bullets where they should be

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03/14/2017 8:18 AM

Yes I would have to go to the usa provide principle and design to the right people they spend 50 + billion dollars on a jet what do you think they would pay for a gun with the ability to take out those same Jets my gun with A specific sensory technology designed for my gun design And once that's done only the cost of about 1500 rounds of ammunition objects can only move so fast turn at so many angles and the higher speed = less Angles it's a Basic principle when it comes to taking down jets Slowing down won't help them give me an easier Target 1500 round in 0.02 of a second jet are not that fast they can be faster than a bullet they cannot be faster than the spread because of the required distance to moved to get the spread is only 3 Metres to An area of a couple hundred feet If you attached them to missiles attack a relatively low speed Target like a ship or stationary Target fire just outside there ability to take down a missiles haha to sad

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03/14/2017 1:21 PM

((Read carefully))

500000rpm of the Metal Storm is higher by the way so i am low balling here 500000/60=8333 rounds per sec 8333/100 that's 83 rounds per 100 of a second jets at mach 3 3704km/h 3704km/60min=61.733kmh 61.733kmh/60=0.611733kmh/area You'd only need to hit 2.5% of it 0.611733kmh/25= 24.446932m vs 83 rounds If your accounting for delay if that's not the case 24.446932m vs 13.83 rounds because i'm Accounting for the time between bullets getting from point A to point b The area of the jet is going to be greater than 5 square metres Let's use that as a basis but Now I'm not looking to hit the whole thing Just enough of it to destroy it the aa gun of old could fire at a velocity 1000m/s let's half the avg speed over distance 3000m Please correct me if this details Incorrect cuz I really didn't do much research into it 500m/s 83 rounds 1/100 of a second plus 5 1/100 of a second Remember we are targeting a point about the size of a basketball Not the entire thing honeycomb trajectory net I know of no computer or human being that could respond in within 6/100 of second it takes the average human pilot 12/100 of a second to respond in any physical let alone any sort of thought base reaction potentially a specialised computer I don't see how it could analyse this sort of threat fast enough and ever respond to it in any physical manner such is changing directions

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03/14/2017 4:20 PM

Was that one actual sentence? P.W. - is that some sort of record?

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03/14/2017 8:32 AM

Alex12: Go back and learn how to write a coherent statement. Use periods to delineate sentences. Otherwise all your output is garbage. Are you off your ADD meds again? Process and write one thought at a time. That is how the English language is structured. Surely you don't want to tackle re-framing the syntax of English?

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03/14/2017 2:06 PM

Take two Ex-Lax, and come back tomorrow.

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03/14/2017 2:36 PM

After lost of email discussions (starting to devolve into insults against first JPool and now myself) I have suggested to alex12 that he contact Metal Storm Ltd and pitch his ideas. They are local and likely his best (and only) chance partner for his ideas.

Everything else is just a sprited discussion regarding conceptual thinking and personal opinion and not the sort of thing you can go to Kickstarter or into partnership with a business development program or University to develop (being an expensive military development project possibly stepping on Metal Storm's IP and patents).

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03/14/2017 4:28 PM

He was insulting me??? I hadn't noticed, must not be that important to me.

He lost me at the P.M., "Don't tell me that won't make your piss ant Navy ships obsolete"

After that, I didn't care what he said.

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03/14/2017 5:02 PM

Well I took that and whatever he posted before that that I didn't see as the insult, there wasn't anything after that that I am aware of.

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03/14/2017 6:35 PM

They were there, I know nothing about engineering, etc.... As I saw he said to you... I know what I know, as I know you know what you know.... I backed out before slamming him, you stayed in it and didn't slam him, not sure I could have stayed as long as you.

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03/14/2017 7:17 PM

It really is a conceptual discussion afterall, expensive military designs and associated major conceptual combat changes are even harder to get funding for than a new engine design into the automotive industry, and even harder to get a foot in the door unless you have the right contacts.

Besides, I have dealt with worse on CR4. Much, much worse. Drako alien worse. Threatened legal action when I on-topic posted a CR4 user's battery capacity booster patent number worse.

Oh the Drako alien incident, good times.

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03/14/2017 7:24 PM

Drako Alien?? Please give a link, I would love to read about it.

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03/14/2017 7:49 PM

I sent you a link and the backstory as much of it is now consigned to history. You really had to be there for the ride. That wild, increasingly bizarre and insane ride.

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03/14/2017 2:39 PM

Seriously guys, not one single GA for all my hard (on topic) effort?

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03/14/2017 4:21 PM

Sorry, mate, was lolled into submission by the OT goons!

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