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Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/18/2017 2:55 AM

We are experiencing speed variation of around 100 RPM with frequent twitching type movement in the throttle actuator. It seemed that their is some ignition / fuel related issue so we performed the following tasks:

Ignition circuit:

-Replaced ignition module

-Replaced ESM

-Replaced camshaft and crankshaft pickups

-Checked continuity and grounding of all wiring

Fuel Circuit:

-Replaced fuel pressure regulator

- Checked engine operation at different fuel pressure ranges by making the mixture lean and reach as much as possible.

All these actions did not resolve the issue. On increasing the prechamber fuel pressure from 3.5 inHg above intake manifold pressure to 10 inHg, the speed variation is not physically felt in engine. We checked it by using tachometer and strobe light both show that engine's speed is constant however there is frequent motion in the actuators and speed output of crankshaft speed pickup is having continuous 100 RPM variation.

We even replaced the pickup assuming that it is giving erratic speed value, but the problem is not resolved.

Any suggestions / recommendations regarding this problem ?

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Re: Speed variation problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ gas engines

03/18/2017 5:21 AM

Have you done any testing of the electrical supply of the system to see if it picking up any electrical spikes on the DC power supply side of things?

Oscilloscope monitoring may show you any voltage spikes that could be affecting the control system.

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Re: Speed variation problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ gas engines

03/19/2017 1:33 PM

No we haven't done yet but we will checks. Thanks for the comment.

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Re: Speed variation problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ gas engines

03/18/2017 8:21 AM

Bad fuel?

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Re: Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/18/2017 1:35 PM
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Re: Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/18/2017 11:32 PM

I think you need to first find out what you are dealing with:

How to Tell if an Engine Hesitation is From Loss of Spark or Loss of Fuel, cont. When the complaint is that the engine hesitates, the hesitations can be caused by either a temporary (intermittent) loss of either spark or fuel. To verify which one it is, do this test: 1. Use an RPM inductive clamp that plugs into a DVOM (digital volt ohm meter). 2. Hook it if possible around the coil wire, if not accessible, around a spark plug wire. 3. Set the meter to read either AC or DC voltage – it does not matter. 4. If possible, bring the lead, with an extension, from the RPM inductive clamp into the vehicle front seat at the meter. 5. Once you start the engine, you will see a varying voltage, it will be either the AC or DC you selected, it does not matter. All you are using the meter for is to tell you there is a constant signal on the meter as a result of a constant spark. Typical values with be 2 volts or higher at idle, and will increase with engine RPM and load such as applying TCC (torque converter clutch). What you are looking for: does the voltage when the hesitation occurs remain the same as when it did not hesitate? If the voltage did not change, yet the vehicle hesitated, the problem is fuel related. If the hesitation caused the voltage to go to zero, than you should concentrate on the ignition system.

Joe Glassford The Hands On Vehicle Testing Reference

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Re: Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/19/2017 1:37 PM

Thanks for your detailed comment.

We will check the voltages and let you know the results.

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Re: Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/19/2017 2:18 PM

It could be control related if the engine is at light load. The tuning of the speed control may be set hot for heavy load pickup, which may then overshoot at light load. Below 20% rated might be a good guess at light load.

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Re: Speed Variation Problem in Waukesha 12V275GL+ Gas Engines

03/19/2017 1:53 PM

Wish my late father was around to ask. He was the national service manager for Waukesha Engine starting in the early 70’s until his retirement. While in college I even co-op drafting for Waukesha Power Systems adding the generator and switchgear.

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