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From Physics to Electrical Engineering

04/19/2017 3:27 PM

Hello everyone, I am currently studying physics (2nd course) and dreaming about becoming an electrical energineer. I am sure that once I am finished bachelor studies I will go for a master degree in EE. But will it grant me an engineer job? I am highly interested in an electrical engineering, especially in renewable energy and I am currently studying electrical engineering subjects on my own like circuit design and so on. Also I have skills in graphic engineering ( AutoCad, SolidWork), programming with c++, HTML, PHP. Almost forgot to mention that I took 60 credits ( apx. 1 year ) of electrical engineering in my physics courses. That means I will have a '' specialization "" in electrical engineering. And how is the situation abroad ( USA, UK ) within physic's graduates getting an engineering job? I am from Eastern Europe. Many thanks for the answers.

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Re: From Physics to electrical engineering

04/19/2017 4:02 PM

<...will it grant...an engineer job?...> What nonsense. A job is there to make the employer's pain go away.

Applying for a job is a sales process. At interview, look for the pain and sell the solution to that pain.

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04/19/2017 4:24 PM

No one here has a crystal ball. 100% depends on your sense, ambition, humility, flexibility, and perspiration. 10% inspiration, 90% perspiration wins every time over 90% inspiration, 10% perspiration.

If great engineering feats pass through your head as the idle thoughts of others, but you make nothing, are you still an engineer? If you build and "make" thousands of machines, circuits, computers, etc., but never dream one, and build it from the ground up, never see your thought child come to life, are you really the engineer you dreamt of being?

If you can't live without engineering, there could be a career in this for you. I can live without engineering, then move on. Harsh, but merciful.

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04/20/2017 3:49 AM

Einstein never build something big. But, others did it because of him.

There is alot to investigate in the world of theoretical physics of you get unlucky in EE. One is disecting the minds and truths of a string thoerist.

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04/20/2017 9:05 AM

Why do you apparently hate Einstein? Because he was Jewish? Maybe the anti-defamation league needs to be tipped off.

I want you to stop picking on Einstein. Pick on Duarte' or someone if you want a punching bag.

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04/20/2017 11:40 AM

Oh, my heart goes to the first borns, even so they are stubborn. Some of them float too. Don't advice the guy with IT. "There is no such thing as fortunate in this world"-Roger Morneau

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04/20/2017 11:51 AM

Huh? I believe there are no coincidences in human affairs. There are divine appointments, but evil bears no coincidence. Fate astonishes reason and logic.

In reference to the value of practical, hands-on learning, one can never unlearn a fatal lesson. That is why where there is no vision, the people perish.

It is why we have very strong safety standards for electricity in the United States. The issue is whether or not all personnel can be or could be educated and oriented properly in the dangers of contact and arc flash injury from hazardous voltages.

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04/25/2017 8:40 AM

??? I don't read #10 as knocking Einstein. Just that his was theoretical work rather than hands-on.

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04/25/2017 10:39 AM

Gutmonkey was stating Einstein never "engineered" or built anything big. I say the opposite, as he helped "engineer" the devices used to prove the curvature of space near stars (the sun). End of statement.

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04/19/2017 5:49 PM

I'm sure you'll do fine....There are plenty of jobs for talented educated motivated dedicated people persons...

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04/19/2017 6:18 PM

One of my college roommates did just that. BS Physics, MS Electrical Engineering and then a law degree working as a patent attorney on intellectual property. The world is your oyster.

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04/19/2017 7:37 PM

It sounds to me like you have an great start. An understanding of physics is an excellent foundation for an Electrical Engineer.

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04/19/2017 7:43 PM

The highest percentage of job applicants that get hired by the (company) they apply to is probably the (entire national military). All other (companys) do so at a significantly lower percentage...

There simply are no such 100% guarantees in the job market...

Worry about graduating, first, in something...

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04/19/2017 11:47 PM

Look at a , “ Job” , It’s the equivalent of saying, “gee, I am supporting myself, making tons of money that I am spending on cool stuff, which makes the economy go round; therefore I am contributing to the greater good. “

When as many of life’s variables as possible have been defined, will the greater good have been served? I can imagine no better environment than one where serving the greater good optimizes the “What’s In It For Me Metric.” I think the reason we ALL like the “What’s In It For Me Metric” is because it is so clearly defined by material wealth; and it shows “we did something.” If you were a good engineer it would still be possible to serve oneself and the greater good.

How about producing something that significantly improves the efficiency of energy usage?
Perhaps producing an affordable Internal Combustion Engine Powered, High Performance, Power Averaged, and Regenerative Capable Electromotive Automobile. There is room for improved efficiency in our favorite transportation mode.

Imagine what increasing the throughput efficiency of an ICE powered Truck or Human Powered Pedi-cab would do to the cost fractions of goods delivery.

Can you imagine what a difference it would mean for my friend in Yap; who is probably paying at least 40 cents a KWH, to be able to contribute to his own power production; especially if he could blend hydro-kinetic, wind, and solar, then feed it into a robust modular grid. How about water desalination and pumping? Waste treatment? These things matter; make a way for them to pay and you have served the greater good; and hopefully, in doing so, have led a fulfilling life.

Go design, produce, and successfully market something new, something significant, and something that serves the greater good. I think that would make you a good engineer.

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04/20/2017 9:02 AM

Blah. Blah. Blah. They used to call going to work, and earning a paycheck, the opposite of starving to death. Now it is just an alternative to the various forms of welfare the government doles out. What does that tell about intrinsic personal worth?

Materialism (capitalism, working for a living, etc.) has its place, (at the front of the line in the U.S.A.), and altruism (in whatever form) has its place. To every thing, there is a season, and there a time to every purpose under heaven.

Do the work that gives you happiness and satisfaction, be satisfied with your daily bread, and the wine you can have. Do not take wine and bread from others, unless it is cheerfully given. Do not weigh down your brother with an unnecessary load.

If your neighbor's bull is stuck in the muddy ditch, help him. If your neighbor's cart has slipped off the path, do not upset the apple cart to clear the path, no one knows the harm you might cause.

Walk quietly in your path, and do not place worry into your brother's brow.

Most of all, say "yes ma'am, and yes sir", but when the answer is no, let the answer be no. You may answer with respect and will always earn respect in return.

If you work no matter what your hand finds to do, but work with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength, your soul will be satisfied in the end, and the greater good will attend to itself. There is a balance in the universe. Try not to upset the balance by worrying (about the greater good, or anything else).

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04/20/2017 12:31 PM

Whaaaaaat?...

Nobody offers up a ''Haaalleluya!!!'' ?...

Not even one little ''Amen'' ?...

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04/19/2017 11:48 PM

Make sure you get practical experience as well as all the theory. Build something using this new theoretical knowledge to show a prospective employer you understand how it fits into the real world.

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04/20/2017 3:23 AM

Most EE Masters Degrees are focused and specialised in one particular area. If you're able to find an EE Masters Degree, that has the same focus as the EE subjects you're studying. Then you may well find the transfer over to EE, at such a high level, quite a comfortable process. But you seem to be under estimating, the 6 years of ground work studies, an EE student would have had to have gone through, before moving into a specialist area of study, undertaken in an EE Masters Degree. If you do not have this foundation of education and understanding, then it will be a struggle. You may well pass the Masters Degree, but what sort of EE will you be. But don't worry, you'll probably find a more senior position and, have good quality EE's working under you. That will dig you out of the sh!t, when you overlook things, that come as second nature to good EE's.

Good luck, and as my plant manager always says "just remember it's only two wires, your dealing with".

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04/20/2017 10:52 AM

Sometimes three.

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04/21/2017 7:36 AM

No, just two. From a physics point that is.

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Re: From Physics to Electrical Engineering

04/20/2017 3:52 AM

Thank you very much for the answers. I am very pleased to receive so many advices!

I agree with all of you that a degree wont grant be an engineer job and I am willing to do my best.

I have talked to my academic tuitor and he said that there are few of physicists who are working at electricity transmission system operator company, but they are not doing very " EE " job. I am afraid that I am not going to even have a chance to work with power systems, design and build circuits and etc. :(

Also, there is a huge question if I will get an internship at company related to EE because the majority of HR managers are narrow minded and are looking after a diploma, not skills and motyvation.

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04/20/2017 8:26 AM

Your last sentence sums it up. The degree/diploma will get you a foot in the door, but your skills and abilities will let you go on to bigger and better things if you so wish. You have to decide exactly what you want out of a job, or if you only want a "job " for the rest of your lift. Nothing wrong in aspiring to more but be willing to spend some time "in the trenches" to build your skill set, and try not to limit it to purely engineering. Diversification can be a wonderful thing.

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04/20/2017 9:08 AM

I heard there was a job opening for an EE major at the Large Hadron Collider, after a bird shut the whole thing down when it dropped a bread crumb on a capacitor in the substation.

(I really do not know if the EE responsible for that location got canned, but maybe he got toasted a bit (at the completion of the project, before the bird did his thing).

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04/20/2017 10:26 AM

A bog-standard outdoor substation having typical substation vulnerabilities to lightning, squirrels and dropped baguettes.

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Yeah, fecal matter happens.

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04/20/2017 8:39 AM

Great plan - I wish I had done it that way. I tried to do the inverse. I got the BS EE, then went back for physics, but making a living in the real world got in the way. (no money to finish the MS) It is amazing what you suddenly realize about electrical engineering when you see the basis for it in physics. You already have that covered. Electrical engineering should be very easy for you.

When I decided to return to the working force, I applied to both EE based jobs and physics and got offers in both fields. Therefore, based on my knowledge of the subject, I say if the job market is hiring, you should be in great shape.

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04/20/2017 10:33 AM

Hello,

Sounds like you want a hands-on engineering career. You must ensure that the curriculum you take on has hands on elements and instructors with industry experience. Increasingly these days the trend is away from hands on practical work. I was lucky, the school I attended has since turned away from hands on teaching. A good friend and mentor, my analog electronics courses and labs professor, and I have helped each other through the years working in the industry. His dismay at the changing/current state of the curriculum at our school is plainly evident. I would over the years ask for recommendations from the senior class for job prospects. As the curriculum was diverted away from practical applications his recommendations dwindled to 'I have no one I can recommend from this years class, no one here is prepared to work in practical engineering'.

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04/20/2017 10:37 AM

Sounds like some educational engineering should come to the rescue, so students could arrive at the goal "for all practical purposes".

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04/20/2017 11:43 AM

Indeed a sorry state of affairs these days(that is my opinion in any event). There is no better teacher than experience/hands on. So much can be learned from doing that makes the theoretical/class room stuff applicable and,,, much easier to understand.®©™

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04/20/2017 3:25 PM

Burning ones fingertips on the transistor can that isn't properly biased for that discrete operational amplifier you are building in the lab is one way. EE courses need labs, or you don't learn much.

Many schools are incorporating some sort of project work. I graduated from WPI (Worcester Polytechnic Institute) where there was a strong emphasis on projects under The Plan which they implemented back in the 70's included the MQP, IQP (Major Qualifying Project, Interactive Qualifying Project) and even included something called The Comps (Competency Exam) where you to pass a written and oral exam about a number of topics in your major before you could graduate regardless of your course grades. The Comps were actually a good way for the faculty to gauge how well they were doing teaching the various classes.

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04/20/2017 11:14 AM

dreaming about becoming an electrical energineer

I like it - energineer - short for energy engineer? That could be a good career.

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04/20/2017 11:27 AM

People used to become energineers simply by completing the circuit (with their arms pushing the levers of progress), or by holding up both broken ends of the only neutral around.

Most of them progresses to a form of smoke after that.

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04/20/2017 11:29 AM

We used to hire many EE, Physics, Math, and other engineering students into the computer industry because they liked working with the tools...programming that is.

If you like software, consider the computer industry or other software oriented work.

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04/21/2017 3:07 AM

Mr. Gabuke, You seem to me a talented young man. I suggest that you should concentrate on software as there is more scope in this field.

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04/21/2017 9:29 AM

"...there is more Scope in this field."

Does that mean to imply that members of the software engineering community require more mouthwash than other participants in engineering? Do they consume more garlic? Is there some other peculiar habit of theirs we do not know of?

Did I misunderstand your reference to Scope?

This has been a fakey fakey love you long time news report from FAKE Radio in Lubbock, TX.

I agree with you BTW. What is up with the supply system in India? I recently requested a quote on a wet test flow meter there from a known manufacturer, and all I got was a lot of gibberish about my purchasing "requirements", and never a quote, or a peep from the actual manufacturer.

Is this the friendly India, or the smug one?

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04/24/2017 2:15 AM

My recommendation was based on the well placed and earning good salaries software engineers. About your requirement of wet flow meter from India, if you need any help I can provide you of course free of charge.

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04/24/2017 10:58 AM

I forget who makes the wet test meter that is supposedly offered for sale, but it would be nice to know what a basic one (that is functional) costs in USD.

Indian wet test gas flow meter

The above is about 50,000 rp, not really a bad price, as I have seen them near $3000 US.

I am trying to keep costs down as low as I can for those in my research group.

Fortunately I have a friend who is working on printing me one.

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04/24/2017 11:36 AM

I bought some wet gas meters a way back in 2002.

Rebel Pont was the name on them. They were $420.00 U.S. back then. They were recommended to me by the lab I hired to do my testing.

They were used for bench testing flow rates of methane gas in the lab on bench top models for anaerobic digestion . Not sure if they are still available, but you might want to so a search for the brand name. I did a quick search and nothing showed up immediately. Got them from Richard E. Speece and that name does show up on a search.

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There are many in mfrs. in India. Just type 'wet gas flow meter in India' in google you will get big list to choose.

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04/25/2017 10:36 AM

Sure thanks. I think I have been there (on that search) and done that, and gotten zilch in terms of direct quotes. The below item is Rs 12,000, so it is not cheap either. None of them are. Received a quote yesterday on one in the US, was about $6400 new, and nearly $3000 refurbished item.

This one is non-electronic, so intrinsically safe for combustible gases, and even mixtures like hydrogen-oxygen, as long as static sparks are avoided near the outlet.

Whatever I get has to be (1) accurate, (2) reasonably precise, and (3) has an electronic output that can intimately interpret portions of a rotation of the drum. A friend of mine is working on just that, and it will be entirely 3D printed except for the bearings, axle, coupling magnet, and the angle sensor chip (these are cheap, but very good ones for quadrature).

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04/21/2017 4:05 AM

Getting a Job? That reminds me of one India`s former president while addressing engineering students at a university - he said " engineers are not trained to look for jobs but to create them" So dear friend, with a lot of theoretical engineering training going on in most universities, I wish you good luck.

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04/23/2017 4:15 PM

Depending on the country, to be a "true" electrical engineer, - i.e.- able to sign on official documents - you need to be accepted by the college of engineers, or order of engineers, or whatever body certifies you as a "professional engineer". Generally, this requires an undergraduate degree in engineering.

A Master's or even a Ph.D. from an engineering school does not assure you of certification if your undergraduate degree is in Physics, Maths, etc. In this case, you may be required to take a test before being certified.

Having said that, nothing prevents an employer from hiring you to do electrical engineering work if you convince them of your competence, but this will not allow you to sign on official documents.

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04/24/2017 10:41 AM

In Texas, you may not hang an engineer shingle (for hire officially as an engineer) unless you pass the boards (a test, usually a guantlet of engineers demanding to know why you would punish yourself in such a way as to be an engineer.).

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04/25/2017 4:13 AM

Three years ago I couldn't spel energineer. Now I are one!

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Re: From Physics to Electrical Engineering

04/25/2017 10:37 AM

You need to watch out for M iddy biddy feets, MR mice.

Also, avoid eating square pi. Cornbread are square, M pie B round.

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