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05/01/2017 1:40 PM

I was watching a televised production about the disappearance of Zoe Campo from Lubbock TX, (a few years back). About all the authorities seem to have to go on is the last ping from her cell phone, and later finding her car, but not the cell phone. They looked at her Facebook stuff, and accounts of persons surrounding her life. So far, no trace of Zoe.

What can engineers to to help? Can we make a cell phone app that would keep a young (or old) woman's cell phone camera, and/or microphone up and running, transmitting to a "safe" storage in the cloud? Mass storage would probably be one of the issues related, but could there not be some discriminatory software running that would hold at least one day's worth of pics, video, audio recordings, and telephony, but that would automatically roll off, unless triggered to hold in memory by some means. I do not know what that means would or should be. Nearly anything I can think of would easily be surmounted by a crafty criminal.

Any ideas, suggestions, willingness to create something new that could be a really valuable tool for police?

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05/01/2017 8:43 PM

There are actually apps that do what you want (I think), and I suspect there are some free apps with hidden code that do this without the user's knowledge or permission. I believe they are illegal except for the owner of the cell phone or with written permission of the person "spied upon".

http://www.bestphonespy.com/

http://www.bestphonespy.com/legal/

The question is how many people would willingly want to be tracked.

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05/01/2017 8:44 PM

Just don't get lost. Really we partially living already in the cloud.

But if we do not take of our mind out of the clouds we will hardly really live.

Facebook does not mean one has friends (neither does not having Facebook means you have some).

The App will not prevent you from disappearing it just might document how you disappear. (BTW I think a camera is useless when the phone is in your handbag/pocket)

Reality is also there is no safe storage in the cloud unless you dump it in the open space with no name where nobody will find it.

What you are asking is probably possible, but for the slim chance of disappearing maybe we should more bother how to have a fulfilled live.

Pure Zoe we might never know!

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05/02/2017 11:57 AM

Y'all, please go see the "The Circle," the movie. When too much personal info is available, it can affect your life.

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05/01/2017 9:28 PM

There are loads of devices for tracking people....

https://www.google.com/search?q=tracking+device+for+people&oq=tracking+device+for+people&aqs=chrome..69i57.7973j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's such a rare occurrence for somebody to be kidnapped, I mean kidnapper's face life in prison....and most cases are parental kidnapping, where one parent kidnaps a child to keep them away from their spouse...but anticipating that you are going to be kidnapped is like thinking you are going to be struck by lightning, it's just not very realistic....and tracking people like that has a flip side, a bad side, where the information could be used for just the opposite....We are losing more freedoms everyday on the pretext of safety, it's becoming a weak argument...Public surveillance cameras are good tools for tracking movement, and credit cards, but nothing can replace good vigilant police work....

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05/01/2017 9:41 PM

I read a news story where an iphone was stolen. The thieves had a good time taking selfies, which were automatically uploaded to the cloud and appeared in the owner's account.

Don't you just love a happy story!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398102/Thieves-string-selfies-woman-s-stolen-phone.html

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05/02/2017 9:19 AM

I always love a happy ending. All I am trying to do, is get engineers thinking about ways to save women's lives, not just from kidnapping, but from physical abuse by their partners/husbands, etc. I hate to learn of a young, lovely, wonderful person being kidnapped (potentially into sex slavery). I want to do everything possible to end those responsible for such crimes, and I am not talking about life in prison. I am talking about ending them. I know this is not politically correct (we do not allow cruel and unusual punishments, not do we suspend the criminals rights of due process and habeus corpus), but I think a few lynching of such actors would go a long damn way to stopping them dead in their tracks (I know, I know, The Cartwrights and the Sheriff will not allow it). Maybe a hanging judge like Judge Parker is needed, especially if the criminals are trying to turn this world into their oyster.

Come on, engineers, come up with something, anything. Do we need to pass laws that put up surveillance cameras on every corner (sort of like in Great Britain)? Do police need tools such as silent drones that patrol far overhead day and night, especially in high crime zones such as the one where Zoe Campos was last known located? Pings off cell towers are not enough to solve these cases where there just is not appearing much trace evidence to go off of. I would gladly submit a portion of my privacy, i.e.- my backyard in order to allow greater overall police surveillance of my neighborhood. Zoe went missing not all that far from where I live, and it pisses me off that soulless ones could do that to a sweet sister, daughter of my friends here in Lubbock. It is going to stop, one way or the other.

Even if the cell phone audio/video to the cloud idea would be a user option, and even though it might not have prevented this crime from taking place, it might make a clear path for investigators to pursue. We need to help the police help us, and not everything is about keeping the police out of our business. Trust me, they have plenty to do without wantonly spying on innocent civilians.

Do you have the police department's back, or are you part of the problem, or just sitting on the sidelines while civilization collapses around you? Please take a stand for justice, stand up for what is right, do what is right.

The thing about arresting people for "future crime" is not something we are comfortable with, but how many times does someone have to be convicted of various misdemeanors, and maybe even a felony, before character traits are detected that strongly correlate with violent crime in that person's future? There are such things as "civil commitment", maybe mind re-training boot-camps, although I suspect there are those so insidious that no amount of counseling, boot-camp, vocational training, etc. can sort them out onto a path toward normalcy. Violent gangs are a real problem, drug cartels are a real problem, human traffickers are a real problem, and the abuse of prescription pain killers is a real problem. We as a people must awaken to the threat among us, cry out for justice, cry out for intervention, and take action to ensure these types of crimes become less and less, until every child of God is safe.

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05/02/2017 10:46 AM

You seem to see the world in black and white, where actually there exists only shades of grey, an extremely naive and child-like point of view...You criticize law enforcement and the courts as being failures, when they are human institutions, and incapable of perfection on the grand scale you demand, probably if held to such standards you yourself would be at risk...Your attempt at blaming society, while characterizing yourself as pure, is the earmark of those who are intolerant of others, an extremist point of view....If you want to work in the law enforcement field, then by all means do so, (if you can qualify), but trying to lay a guilt trip on the rest of us for society's ills, is overly idealistic and inappropriate....

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05/02/2017 11:00 AM

...and where precisely, did you get that synthetic bullshine? Every time I hear that old saw about shades of grey, it makes me ask "what is this person about to say next". Pretty much I see excuses for the status quo in the "shades of grey" arguments. This is no time to be resting upon former laurels, but to stand up and fight by helping those on the front line have better tools.

No, I don't see the world in black and white. No, I was not even attempting to criticize law enforcement. They do a magnificent job with the resources at hand, and I was hoping to see (engineers) a community effort to hand them more useful tools.

What guilt trip? And BTW, I never said I was without any fault (pure as you describe). By far, I am not picking the first, or the last stone.

I have plenty of failures I can point to, but I will spare you the details.

BTW I did work as a civilian in law enforcement support for the Texas DPS in the past.

What is up with you lately? Did someone douse your Post Toasties with pee water?

If you are not feeling well, or something I said really tossed your program off it directive, I apologize, but please do let me know what really ticked you off.

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05/02/2017 9:25 AM

Also, cases like the one I reference to make a strong case for not going out with people your parent(s) do not know, and for keeping an up to date diary or journal of contacts, activities, habits, everything. Sure that is private information, but a girl helps not just herself by keeping such a document (in a safe place not on her person).

A person that keeps a completely honest journal (1) is not lying to themselves first of all, (2) is leaving a train of breadcrumbs in case help in location is needed later, and (3) even if help cannot save the person keeping the journal from a horrible fate, it may help stop the perpetrator from even reaching the next victim, and help stop them in their tracks once and for all.

Children should never omit information about their activities from conversation with their parent(s), just be brutally honest about what they intend to do, even if someone gets upset. At least, then the parent has some basis in going forward.

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05/02/2017 12:20 PM

In short, Franklin was not describing some tension between government power and individual liberty. He was describing, rather, effective self-government in the service of security as the very liberty it would be contemptible to trade. Notwithstanding the way the quotation has come down to us, Franklin saw the liberty and security interests of Pennsylvanians as aligned.

That famous quote by Benjamin Franklin that “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” does not mean what it seems to say. Not at all.

This statement was in regards to an argument about whether the Penn family lands were taxable (and to be afforded protection by troops) by the legislature.

Ben Franklin meant this, not that article written by Benjamin Wittes 2011-7-15

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05/04/2017 8:20 AM

''...rare occurrence...''? Really?

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/beta/kidnapping-for-ransom

Two attempts in my hometown (<100,000 population) within the preceding 60 days.

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05/02/2017 12:01 PM

Whatever happened to the James Bond version of the puppy tags we embed in our precious pets?

I recall a pacemaker discussion with a cardiologist friend a few years ago in which the tracking topic arose related to children who have a high potential for being kidnapped (e. g., families of means, such as his brother, in Third World locale), and the potential use of a ten-year embedded GPS transmitter with very long band intermittent ping frequencies that are satellite detectable from all but the deepest caves or a lead-lined safe room?

When the old transmission pellet dies, it stays in for the person's life, and a new one is embedded at another location in the body. Of course, the object's location would have to be such that it could be appropriately shielded against the electronic fouling of whatever diagnostic radio, MRI or other penetrating imaging may occur along the way.

We do not need to beam ourselves up to Scotty... just our personal EPIRB to the time-stamped simultaneous detection by at least three satellites. But, at some point in the evolution of our personal EPIRB's, the real pros in the crime business will have their own scanners for the signal, and it is back to the drawing board, again.

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05/02/2017 12:26 PM

Yes, I think it will be hard to find any technology that could not be hacked or counter-measured, but that is essentially the challenge.

Even if the locator chip were in the arm (somewhere), there is nothing to say, the chip might not be further miniaturized, or made as a thin flexible circuit that would be virtually impossible for the perpetrators to find, if they even knew the victim had one.

I think it would save lives. Especially, if the only ones to have access (for privacy reasons) were the police, and maybe parents of a minor child. Even there, caution is needed, since a deranged parent is also a possible suspect in some instances.

If it was mandatory for those with felony records to have the implant as well, there is another investigatory leg-up in many instances. The only time the police would want or need to access such a device is when the subject is back under suspicion.

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05/02/2017 8:10 PM

Yes, they should also use ping devices in planes like MH370. Oh! Wait, they did! Didn't help.

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05/03/2017 9:07 AM

Last night's episode of NCIS included a reference to a cell phone that automatically uploaded all photographs to the cloud. I think that is almost where I was going with the OP. Strange coincidence? I doubt it.

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05/03/2017 9:20 PM

I expect the amount of traffic would drown out some transmissions, and guess which ones Murphy would drown out? I like the idea of small, local, networks. Cell phones work on this principle. Perhaps each cell tower could receive a separate signal/frequency and store the data for a few days only, at the tower itself. The data only gets accessed in the event of a misper. Again this is similar to the black box pinger in planes. This reduces traffic, storage problems and unauthourised access. I know there is a South African company that provides internet to small communities by running a micro isp in the village and connecting to the world via an accessible vantage point. A similar system could be used as a watch/security net.

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05/04/2017 9:55 AM

Yes, that might work, again there has to be signal, etc. Minimal data is better than no data, but very few low resolution security images end up useful, unless there is a "magic" trick to enhance pixelation of the images.

Not only that, but we would need to put some "traps" on the data, other than Mispers report being filed. Increase the residual time for the images first of all to a week.

Now add in this trap: no activity on subject's personal phone, or phone not moving, or no ping (battery down, or smashed phone), and add a few other traps, such as autoselfie when the phone is opened, and do a general profile match like a fingerprint, so if the image profile has changed, lock deletion, and alert authorities?

Modern phones have GPS (not great??), at least have cell tower triangulation, maybe a compass function, what else can be utilized to diagnose user status?

Of course, I am not sure any of this supplants good old fashioned stay in touch with a safety net like buddy, or family.

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05/02/2017 1:17 PM

A technology meant to help with this problem exists in the Apple watch. It is basically a "panic mode" that will alert authorities of location, etc. I'm not 100% sure how it is activated though.

To expand on this idea, perhaps an application could be developed that uses a safe word/phrase of sorts which will start the device recording GPS location, audio, and video to the cloud. The recording wouldn't be constant, so storage shouldn't be as big of an issue. The word or phrase would be selected by the user, and the new phones do a pretty good job with voice recognition already. Using a subtle code phrase could allow for more recording time without the criminal smashing the phone, etc.

Granted, this is not foolproof. The app would need to be running in the background at all times of potential crime, and the user would need to be able to speak clearly, but between the existing panic mode and this, it would be another step in the right direction.

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05/02/2017 1:54 PM

Now that is certainly one idea, and it can work. Cost?? <$300 what I saw.

Limitation:

SOS mode in Apple watch needs Wifi

without established Wifi connection the wearer is out of luck, so SOS becomes SOL.

Moral: Do not go where angels fear to tread.

Don't get abducted where it is not a hotspot, and/or you cannot remain conscious.

I thought that 5Star might be an answer, but their web site home page clearly states it is not to be thought of as a substitute for 9-1-1. Good news is the new fitness tracker is highly affordable at less than $40 as indicated.

great call fitness tracker

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05/02/2017 2:29 PM

Wow, I didn't realize that about the SOS mode needing wifi. SOL is right! That's a lot of limitations on where to get abducted.

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05/02/2017 2:32 PM

Apparently, we are needing another technical quantum leap, or teaching more common sense and discretion to our children!!!

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