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Today's Ease of Internet Access - Empowering? Dangerous? Neither?

06/20/2017 11:11 AM

It's one of the highlights of modern times: Virtually the entirety of human knowledge available to us basically any time, anywhere, through our smartphones, laptops, tablets, etc. This ease of access to so much knowledge has naturally resulted in the average person becoming a bit more empowered and informed. Most of the time it's in good ways. I'm sure a lot of us have stepped up our cooking game, for example, easily looking up quick and easy but also delicious recipes while simply standing in the kitchen, trying to figure out what to do with all the leftovers. I learned basically the entirety of what I know about home-brewing online. And when I hit a snag on brew day or otherwise wish to step up my game, I can quickly google my question and find a solution. And if your Chevy Cavalier won't start - you know where to find us!

So, many of us maybe have become better cooks. Many have become something of a form of "journalists" by broadcasting on Facebook Live, Instagram Live, Ustream, and other services when something crazy happens in their neighborhood and news channel 10 hasn't gotten there yet. Many feel more confident about attempting repairs on their homes, cars, even electronics because of the wealth of information, guides, and other online support. A few weeks ago, I had no idea how to stain a deck. But then I watched a few youtube videos, read a few paragraphs, and I bought all the right things and my deck looks great! (Kneepads. Kneepads are key.)

Let me ask you, though - should there be a point where we say, "Stop, let's leave that to someone else?" For example, many self diagnose that they are gluten intolerant based on the huge trend/fad of GF diets. Many, I'm sure, have not been to a doctor and actually been diagnosed Celiac - it's just that they read on their cousin's facebook that after cutting wheat out of their diet, they felt great and had more energy! No one in this scenario needs to do this, in fact by making such sweeping, drastic changes in their diet they actually ended up malnourished and now face other problems!

Or how about the abundance of just straight misinformation online? It seems too many are being led astray, quickly willing to believe the fads/trends they read on facebook or non-legit 'alternative medicine' sites because they like what they read there better than what their doctor told them. There was even a blog post here mentioning the use of humanizing Internet connected devices for use "as a nurse, home health aide, or health monitor". This is where I think it gets really dangerous. People should not have in their minds that consulting with Siri can be an acceptable step before going to the hospital. Things like health, diet, medicine, etc - these should not be left to the incredible variances possible within a person's search of google, or Siri's search for you. Find a bad beef stroganoff recipe, you wasted some mushrooms. Find bad advice about a sickness you face, you can get in serious trouble, really quickly.

It's mostly fine to be your own chef, a journalist, a repairman. But I think people are starting to get too comfortable with the idea they can be their own doctor, by the backing of what they find on webMD, or even less respectable places online. (You read WebMD long enough, suddenly you and all your friends have cancer.) I think it's a real danger. Too much misinformation is spread too widely, and people end up making hugely wrong diet, health, and medical decisions based on this. Wrong ideas about fluoride, gluten, GMOs, the list goes on and on. Even the flat-earthers and chem-trail 'truthers' have gotten much more attention and acceptance the more people access the Internet. NASA can't post a single thing on IG without them trashing up the comment feed.

What can be done to help mitigate the non-scientific, straight up wrong information being spread? Can people be helped to sift through this information and be better informed on how to find better information? Or is it a lost cause?

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06/20/2017 11:29 AM

Well, one thing internet access did, is modified Einstein's Six degrees of separation to maybe 2-3 Degrees.

I believe the Six Degrees of separation still applies on a personal Face to Face though.

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06/20/2017 11:35 AM

Ratings....

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06/20/2017 11:52 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reputation_system

..."As New Scientist recently reported, a team of research scientists at Google has published a paper (PDF) explaining the idea of Knowledge-Based Trust (KBT), an alternate way of determining the quality of web pages by looking at how accurate they are.

The quality of web sources has been traditionally evaluated using exogenous signals such as the hyperlink structure of the graph. We propose a new approach that relies on endogenous signals, namely, the correctness of factual information provided by the source. A source that has few false facts is considered to be trustworthy.

The paper goes on to describe how Google could use an extraction process to compare the facts it finds on web pages to facts that are stored in a knowledge base (think Knowledge Graph/Knowledge Vault), and reward pages that are found to be more accurate. In cases where a single web page doesn’t have enough facts, the paper suggests relying on other pages from the same website to determine trustworthiness.

Google has been building a massive database of known facts for years, and in 2012 introduced its Knowledge Graph. That’s the source of those information boxes that show on the right side of Google search results (primarily) for searches involving people, places and known entities.

The authors say their early tests of Knowledge-Based Trust have been promising. “We applied it to 2.8 billion triples extracted from the web, and were thus able to reliably predict the trustworthiness of 119 million web pages and 5.6 million websites.” (Note: The paper uses “triples” to describe the factual elements found and extracted from web pages.)"...

http://searchengineland.com/google-researchers-introduce-system-rank-web-pages-facts-not-links-215835

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06/20/2017 11:35 AM

One thing is certain: the trend curve cannot keep accelerating, as there is a limit to the number of people in the world.

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06/20/2017 11:41 AM

Yeah, but what's the limit?

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06/20/2017 11:44 AM

But the dead are still counted because their social media accounts are still active. Just like voting democrats.

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06/20/2017 11:14 PM

They have unfinished business.....Someone is here warning you not to get political....

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06/21/2017 6:52 AM

yes, its well documented that going against the democratic party is very unhealthy. To the point that,... ones vote will be,... democratic for eternity...

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06/20/2017 11:44 AM

"Stop, let's leave that to someone else?"

Depends upon the intelligence, and 'give a CR4P of that someone else'. I would rather rely on my on brain, making an informed decision, than an uninterested doctor making a profit.

Some people will go for any fad, harmful or not. That is why we have Darwin Awards. To suggest that information to me should be limited because of those morons is ludicrous.

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06/20/2017 12:09 PM

I would rather rely on my on brain, making an informed decision, than an uninterested doctor making a profit

Even though True, I had an experience that I post later here, but,.... An informed decision based on what?

My experience about 12 years ago, I had what the health industry calls an episode,... I had a number of doctors I was seeing, one of them prescribed some prescriptions drugs, I went to see a specialist, and he looked at the prescription and increased the dosage..., AS NEEDED up to three times the prescribed amount.

I had a 60 days check up with my family doctor on this episode of mine, and he had a student Doctor assist him, he of course asked me if that's ok,... I said of course, My family doctor left, and this student doctor was asking questions,...

She asked if I was taking my dosage of medications, I told her yes and told her the updated dosage... She began to scold me for self medicating of which I stopped her right there.

I then interrupted her and said, "You're only here because you need to be here, You don't know me, You don't know my condition, You don't know the situation, your don't even know my name."

She protested, ...

I then asked her what's my name and I reach over and cover my chart with my hand as she looked down at my charts to see what my name is. She was dumbfounded silence. My doctor had since reentered the room, probably because he overheard the conversation.

I then directed my compliant to the soon to be doctor,... I told her, that I don't mind breaking in green horns like your self, but before you start accusing me of 'Self-Medicating' you doctors better get your shit together and begin talking to each other on a shared case.

I then told my doctor a joke... because, that's the kind of guy he was.

I asked him, while I was looking at her... What Do They Call the Person Who Graduates Last and at the bottom of their class in Medical School?

I then answered "a doctor."

I then asked her in a calm and relaxed voice, if she learned anything today? My doctor laughed and replied "Your brutally honest today, aren't you."

That little story, might will be too obtuse for a snow flake, though. but that's the snowflakes problem, not mine.

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06/20/2017 12:45 PM

I agree that the biggest problem is with medicine. My daughter has epilepsy and I belong to a parent support group. I've been thinking of leaving it because many members make their neurologists out to be opponents in their kids' treatments and constantly second-guess them based on a few cursory Google searches they did about treatment. Some even post videos of their kid having a seizure and say "my neurologist says these seizures are [x], but I disagree, can anyone tell me what they really are?" As if a group of laypeople can authoritatively say anything more than "you may want to get a second opinion."

The internet's great for knowledge in general, but I think at some point it needs to be recognized that an individual with 7+ years of specialized medical training has more knowledge than your 30 minutes of Googling, and if they're saying something you don't understand or disagree with that's your issue.

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06/20/2017 12:53 PM

That is difficult. I would always rather have a face to face interaction with the doctor and the patient. Preferable one that has a history between the two. Just remember that all doctors are human: if you feel what they say is incorrect, search out a second opinion. It's not only your right, it's also prudent.

It's interesting that when you see a doctor and tell them your conditions, they'll excuse themselves. What I've heard is that, when they leave you, they actually google (or google-like) your conditions.

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06/20/2017 1:55 PM

Yes, this is exactly my point. People in those FB groups often even say things like, "we have more of a wealth of knowledge and updated studies among us pooled together that your doctor may not be privy to!" It's reasoning like that that gets people seriously hurt.

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06/21/2017 5:56 AM

I have to disagree to a given point. I am not speaking about something like epilepsy or other conditions but general health. In the past i had congestive heart failure a stroke and general heart and health conditions. Going to the doctors they would say take this or that pill,i did and never had an improvement in my health. Never once did they say eat right, work out ,relieve stress.

I studied on the web about health and eating correctly and working out. Many of the thing the doctors were telling me were incorrect and founded on old out of date studies.

At present i take NO medication have a BMI of 22.1 excellent BP and a resting BPM of 64. I run 3 miles a day,lift weights 3 times a week and eat right. I am 68 years old and keep up with the 25 year old crowd at the gym.

Will i live longer, i do not know but i now can live life without getting tired and enjoy things that i could not while i was on medication.

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06/21/2017 8:28 AM

That's true and it depends on the physician. I'm lucky to have a doc who always makes sure I'm trying to get enough sleep, work out, not drinking too much caffeine, etc., in addition to prescribing meds. And I'll bet a lot of the parents in my support group do actually have crappy neurologists, but in that case it seems wiser to go through the effort of finding a new doc rather than taking advice from a group of anonymous laypeople.

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06/21/2017 9:49 PM

What do they call a medical student who finishes at the bottom of his/her class?

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Doctor...

The healthcare system itself is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US...the equivalent of a 747 crashing everyday...Yes I think there is plenty of room for skepticism....

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06/22/2017 9:42 AM

What do they call an Engineer that finishes at the bottom of his/her class?

A sanitation engineer? I have known plenty of them that could beat quite a few licensed engineers. Probably call them Bob, or Lane, because they are bobbing for free apples, and in the soup lane, because they failed to get their State certification passed.

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06/20/2017 1:24 PM

So who cares how many bits of data one can retrieve if you don't understand most of them?

I have a hunch that this is actually a misquote of Thucydides; nonetheless, this concept is at least as old as this over 2400 year old philosopher. Yet, we still confuse access to knowledge with command of knowledge.

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06/20/2017 1:28 PM

access to google, does not an expert make.

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06/20/2017 1:30 PM

The other side of the coin: If you go to a doctor for a digestive disorder, and not so many years ago if you told them you thought you had a gluten allergy (celiac disease), the doctor might laugh (in your face, or behind your back), and diagnose (without actual tests) as intestinal parasites and subject the patient to excruciating treatments for worms, etc. (Flagil?) with no positive effect. If you came back still complaining of the same symptoms (diarrhea mostly), they would prescribe another round of poison.

For those with some common sense and education behind them, doing some of their own research is not a bad idea, and can be a guide to their next visit with physician.

I like the fast and ready information on the internet as much as anyone, but one must know which sources have some verity, and which are just frauds.

If it sounds too good to be true, guess what? It probably is false.

I have also noticed that the search results can be quite different based on how two seemingly identical searches are worded. It pays to search one way, then search again by rephrasing the search terms.

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06/20/2017 1:34 PM

True and good advice. I always felt it best not to rely 100% on others. If you have an ailment, research it and understand what you're dealing with.

I've found that it can visibly shock your physician that you are familiar with the issues.

But first, you have to let your doctor diagnose you.

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Yeah, if you Google "why gluten is poison and kills babies," chances are you're going to find some "eat right, beat cancer!" websites. If you Google "why gluten is fine" you're going to find the opposite.

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06/20/2017 2:17 PM

Those who sternly cling to the opposite of what's been well proven amuse me.

It's part of why I hang out on internet forums, just to see what new half-wit will come along and try to claim they know something is true that's not only to get it ripped from their hands and beaten over the head with it until the see the light or leave.

(BTW, Is lyn still spying on us?)

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Did you know the real cause of atherosclerosis is not cholesterol and fats? It turns out that glucose and insulin are the two most toxic substances normally occurring in the human body. These are the culprits that scar arterial walls, and lead to plaque deposits (in an abortive attempt to heal arterial walls).

Cut off the high carb diet, and have a healthy intake of natural fats (no trans fat) for a healthier cardiovascular system. My blood pressure has gone back to normal level after changing over, and blood glucose is lower in the mornings IF I managed to keep carbs under or at 50 grams the previous day (don't kid yourself, this is a hard thing to do).

I did not come up with this on my own, but a doctor presented the information to me.

Also, while using this diet is important to take a probiotic shake with protein, fats, and nutrients (minerals and vitamins) daily at least once. It seems to help with belly flab, etc.

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This endorsement has been brought to you by the DMM (Dairy Milkers of 'Merica).

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Ya think? At least it sounds that way. How come I have more energy now than I did?

Coconut oil - medium chain fatty acids - these really help create readily available energy for everyday work tasks.

Beer - not recommended, but it is very pleasant at the end of a day.

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Coconut milk is one of the better foods I've found... but I can wait and see what the internet posts next week what the better foods are.

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What works for you, will probably not work for many people. While I'm glad you found an improvement in your diet that helps you, that diet is not for everyone. Also your physician looked at a variety of your attributes before telling you to cut down on your carbohydrate consumption.

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06/20/2017 4:08 PM

This is the danger I'm talking about. Chef, repairman, journalist - great. But not dietician! Unless you are a dietician. Or even better, an actual doctor! When people find a food or even an actual diet that provides great results for them, they are (rightly so to a degree) excited and wish to share it with others. It can quickly divulge, though, into strongly urging others to try it, and make these huge dietary changes, based on their anecdotal evidence.

Everyone's talking about how they "have more energy" and "feel great" after "eliminating gluten". Truth is that a majority of them probably just stopped eating the baconator cheeseburgers for lunch and 5 slices of pizza for dinner out of avoidance of the bun/crust. Everybody has more energy and feels better avoiding the baconator. lol

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06/20/2017 5:16 PM

If anything, it a great substitution for them and they're happy to share their benefits.

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Well if happier, healthier and more energetic is the key to saying something works divorce did that for me better than any diet ever did!

Also unlike a diet change it all gave me more free time and money without having to work more too!

I recommend it to everyone! (unless you're the highly needy codependent personality type.)

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.... divorce ....

Tcmtech just said he lost weight and feels great... highly recommends it,... got it,... pass it on.

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06/20/2017 8:25 PM

Kinda reminds me of a game we played in grade school... everyone in class sat in a circle, and one person whispers a secret to the person next to them, that person keeps passing the secret on to the next person, that person passes it along,... until it comes full circle. And the secret is revealed back to the originator... I was surprised how it changed...

social media is similar.

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06/21/2017 7:27 AM

"Truth is that a majority of them probably just stopped eating the baconator cheeseburgers for lunch and 5 slices of pizza for dinner out of avoidance of the bun/crust. Everybody has more energy and feels better avoiding the baconator."

Not I.

Your statement is just as ill founded in facts as what many proclaim. It's just your opinion not based on facts. I admit that many good things come from someone inadvertently avoiding unhealthful foods in an attempt to avoid the demonized piece of that food and then credit the results to the avoidance of the demonized food. Not very scientific.

I order the baconator and don't eat the bun. I have 4 pieces of bacon, one sausage patty and a protein shake for breakfast, too.

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06/21/2017 8:30 AM

Aye, there's a man that knows real food when he sees it. Scotch eggs all 'round, please! Or Scotch and eggs either.

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06/20/2017 4:54 PM

We will see what my numbers look like during my next upcoming visit to Dr.

All I know, I am loving being able to have bacon when I want it. Fats are OK, but I suspect the nitrites in preserved meats like bacon and ham are not really all that great for a body.

I am even taking a supplement that ups the intake of an amino acid that enhances NO production. That may also have to do with a decrease in blood pressure, since NO is a known vasodilator.

True, there is medical science on one hand, and on the other internet hand, there is to be found shear medical quackery. If it does not make logical biochemical sense, it cannot be true within a 99% certainty (confidence interval). For example, it is known that fats when metabolized do not increase blood sugar one iota. Proteins do (more slowly than carbohydrates), and as to "fast" carbs and "slow" or "good" carbs, there is essentially no such thing. All carbs ramp the blood sugar about the same way, and the sugar level also comes crashing back down, as a result of spiking insulin levels. This also puts a strain on liver processing of glucose into lipids for storage in fat cells. When you eat fat, the body adjusts, acclimatizes, if you will, to burning fat, there is no spiking of levels, and the body simply is able to access long burning energy better, no crash as in a sugary snack.

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06/21/2017 7:16 AM

I've been an advocate of the low carb diet for nearly 20 years now. However, I don't follow it very closely. Chocolate chip cookies and pie seem to be my Achilles heel.

After a rather difficult 2016 (lost my father, marital issues and spending the bulk of 4 months traveling for work), I found myself up 20 pounds and decided to strictly follow a low carb plan outlined by Dr. Michael Eades. Early results have been quite positive following the benefits Eades claims he's seen in most of his patients.

In 2 months:

  • lost 12 pounds,
  • blood pressure went from borderline high to the middle of the normal range
  • cholesterol (which typically has been around 240-250 even before gaining the 20 pounds) is down to 210

I have no strong craving for sweets like I used to. That doesn't mean I don't have them, but they are manageable to the point I don't give in. I am not hungry and I have plenty of energy.

My cholesterol numbers are based off donating blood which provides only the total cholesterol. I have a blood test scheduled Tuesday next week which will give the breakdown of HDL, LDL and triglycerides. The last similar test I had was in January 2016. I will compare those numbers with what is found Tuesday. The expected results would be an increase in HDL and a decrease in triglycerides. More importantly are the ratios of (total cholesterol/HDL) and (total cholesterol/triglycerides).

It's also expected that the type of LDL will change however, most blood tests don't actually measure LDL but compute it from the other measured parameters. Apparently there are several different types of LDL but two major types are small dense ones and larger, fluffier ones. The small dense ones have been associated more with heart disease but the fluffier ones have not.

Low carb diets typically reduce the small/dense LDL particles and increase the larger/fluffier LDL. It's actually possible for total cholesterol to actually go up due to an increase in LDL, but one's lipid profile to be improved (better Tot/HDL and Tot/triglycerides).

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06/20/2017 4:58 PM

That is totally ridiculous, but funny!

Reminds me of a story about how to cook a carp.

  1. Place carp on cedar plank
  2. Place plank with carp in oven at 350 °F for 45 minutes. 60 minutes if you want it to flake off the many small bones.
  3. Remove carp on cedar plank from oven, allow minimal cooling.
  4. Scrape carp into the trash, and eat the cedar plank.
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06/20/2017 3:30 PM

That is what was wrong with todays Medicine... (actually pharmaceutical industry). It addresses the 'fix', not the cure or where the problem actually originates.

Its a double edge sword,

one edge; This is one thing internet access can excel,

The other edge being it can be loaded with scams and fake news.

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06/20/2017 5:31 PM

No. I did not know that. Don't really care either given there is a fair chance our genetics and age are different enough that what works well for you probably would not do the same for me.

That said i have also heard that oxygen is extremely damaging to most every part of our body as well.

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06/20/2017 3:55 PM

Of course not! He's retired!

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06/20/2017 5:14 PM

Here's an update...

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06/20/2017 1:33 PM

I find the whole internet concept highly mixed. I was raised to think for myself and because of that I am always wanting to know new things about whatever it is I can find that has any relation or whatever I may be doing at any time.

Because of that I am also a 'fact checker' in the sense I take a look at all reasonable alternative information I can get as well. The internet benefits people like me well.

Now on the other end there are people, who like my Ex, became if it isn't posted on facebook or whatever social media thing she was into for that month it couldn't be true.

"Facebook Facts" as I came to know them. Things more often than not based on hearsay, speculation and outright stupidity.

"Did you know that if you sprinkle just a tiny bit of arsenic on your banana every morning it will help you lose up to 10% of your body fat every month?" Facebook fact so it's true!

"Or that processed cheese and butter are only one molecule off from plastic?" Facebook fact so it's true!

That was the opposite end of the internet crap i had to deal with at home every now and then. But that was from the same person who scored a 90 a on a online IQ test then got mad at me for not helping her when she found out that a 90 does not put you in the top 10% of the intelligence bell curve.

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06/20/2017 1:38 PM

I have found some procedures on the web, such as trouble shooting, and determined that you need to replace your alternator and its procedures or new brakes pads/rotors to be very helpful.

But of course, I've done it before.

Or even posing a problem on CR4, to get some industry insight/comments on an issue at work.

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06/20/2017 1:53 PM

It's like any other tool, you have to learn how to use it. Like panning for gold, you have to separate the nuggets from the gravel, and knowing how to use it involves knowing which is which.

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06/21/2017 6:55 PM

Definitely a great source of information, but I find that during the past few years now, that information has been accompanied by a price; either in the form of increased advertising or just an outright charge. Some searches in the past have been free, but now becomes hard to find with money charges being required to access that data. Accessing the internet was intended to be free for all, not a money making cow. There needs to be some regulation of the internet to keep people from profiting directly. Advertising is one thing, but charging for an online service, no.

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06/22/2017 9:39 AM

One thing in particular I have noticed is less access (compared to when I was in college and university) to the published literature in the field of chemistry, and in physics.

Elsevier and others now all want a pay-per-view approach to getting the now online journal articles, and unless you have a special privilege membership, we are talking $25-$50 per print per paper. Insanely high money grubbing where the original institution is supported with our tax dollars. I say cut them off at the knees, and see what sprouts up in their place - - probably a bunch of sucker sprouts. (just like with trees).

You have to be a member of faculty or perhaps a Library member (and the Library has paid the really high fee for the journal), or graduate student to have easy access to journal articles. I see this as pure elitism, Anti-American, but definitely capitalistic opportunistic in the worse connotation of the terms. America is for Every-man, not just those with their noses in the clouds, stuffed full of snuff, with their powdered wigs. We dealt will those people when they were Britain once, and just because they are here, should not prevent us demanding full Liberty, and putting a stop once and for all to these Anti-American illegitimate sons of female dogs.

Anyone have an issue with that? Really? You are walking on the fighting side of me.

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06/26/2017 3:29 PM

There are a number of colleges that are putting video courses online for free. It's auditing the courses, no quizzes. The only thing it costs is your time. MIT started it, I believe, and I've taken a couple of their math courses. You can take them at your own pace, and go back and repeat a class if you miss something. I heartily recommend.

https://ocw.mit.edu/about/

https://www.edx.org/

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