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07/07/2017 1:54 PM

They say hindsight is 20/20. Going back to y2k can any of you give an example of something we "should have known?"

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07/07/2017 2:11 PM

Too bad that in 2001 the world didn't send North Korea on a space odyssey.

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07/07/2017 5:42 PM

Why did anyone consider that OT? It may be the most salient topic of all time.

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07/10/2017 3:20 AM

Maybe. It smacks of politics, though, which field falls outside the domain of an Engineering forum to some.

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07/07/2017 2:17 PM

Most of the embedded microcontrollers that they were so worried about doing something when their date went awry are so inaccurate in actually keeping time that it was unlikely anything that happened would actually occur at the stroke of midnight, 1/1/00. Typical microcontrollers may do something based on a 24-hour clock, but usually don't keep track of a date (including leap years, leap seconds, etc.). Since the clock is based on a crystal that is not accurate to NIST standards, if there were a date kept, it could have gone out of whack long before or after Y2K.

I sat outside the electrical room of a major telephone company's regional central office the night of Y2K "just in case" something happened and the switchgear that powers the system went wacky. Suffice to say nothing happened - the lights stayed on, the phones worked, and they all went home breathing a sigh of relief. It was the easiest check of double-time pay I ever made!

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07/07/2017 2:30 PM

Yeah, dumb computers (and their programmers) should NOT use numerical abbreviations as a way to 'save coding', ie: it's 2017, not 17, etc.

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07/08/2017 7:55 AM

In the late 1900's RAM was expensive, non-volatile memory (EPROMS) were expensive, hard drives were expensive. Today these are dirt cheap. I don't think anybody nowadays would worry about saving 2 bytes in storing a date.

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07/07/2017 4:13 PM

Not to buy a new Chevy Cavalier?

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07/07/2017 6:03 PM

We have 21 years until the Unix time() function runs out of seconds! (2038 bug)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

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07/07/2017 6:27 PM

Should have known? Not to succumb to media hype. There were people afraid to use elevators!

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07/08/2017 3:46 AM

And planes were going to fall out of the sky.

But I believe Hewlett-Packard set on a Y2K director to deal with it. That would have been a lucrative post so somebody was taking the threat pretty seriously,

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07/07/2017 10:40 PM

We should have known to use the new cover sheet on our TPS Reports.

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07/07/2017 11:13 PM

Well, it could be said that we never learn.

I think it was the F-22 nav systems that didn't know about the International Date Line and developed some serious navigational issues when they were first deployed to Japan. The aircraft and satellites got seriously out of sync.

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07/08/2017 5:50 AM

Even worse was when an error got the pilots and their oxygen seriously out of sync....IMHO.

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07/08/2017 5:48 AM

Hussein wasn't in al Qaeda.

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07/08/2017 10:57 AM

I for one, should have known not to marry my now ex-wife in 2001, the signs were there, I just wasn't paying attention.

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07/08/2017 9:22 PM

Getting involved in the Mid East was a waste of lives, money and time.

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07/09/2017 3:16 AM

We should have known that the first day of the new century/millennium was in fact 1 Jan 2001.

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07/09/2017 7:12 AM

A lot of old COBOL programmers got called out of retirement and made a few bucks.

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07/09/2017 4:28 PM

Can I make a Trump as president comment?

To soon?

But seriously, that's the thing about hindsight, it is sooooo easy to point out after the fact. Perhaps we should just learn from our mistakes and concentrate on all the things we get right.

Remember the Cuba missile crisis! What about the Black Brant Scare ! Both could have literally, LITERALLY been the end of the world as we know it but it wasn't thanks to both sides having the foresight (if you will) to use logic, common sense and a good dose of humanity and make the right call.

We can make the wrong choices sometimes, that's fine we are human after all, what's important is that we learn from them (which may take a few times). What's important is that we get the big choices right.

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07/10/2017 4:31 PM

what's important is that we learn from them (which may take a few times).

But if an event similar to these actually went the "wrong" way:

Remember the Cuba missile crisis! What about the Black Brant Scare ! Both could have literally, LITERALLY been the end of the world as we know it

then we won't get another chance!

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07/10/2017 1:00 AM

I think we should have known the wars would continue no matter who was elected. Should have known there would still be gasoline powered vehicles dominating the market. Should have known the supreme court would sell us out for the big corporations. Should have known lapel cameras would make a big difference in law enforcement. Should have known the truth would come out about the government spying on everybody. Should have known the government would only get bigger and more powerful. Should have known the 9/11 report would come from the back end of a bull. Should have known whatever the government tells us, that aint it. Should have known the gap between rich and poor would get wider and wider. Should have known banks can commit multiple felonies and not be prosecuted. Should have known the economy would crash and the rich banksters would get a bailout with golden parachutes while everyone else had to pay. Im rambling so I will stop now. I should have known better than to ask the question. I should have known.....

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07/10/2017 3:19 AM

The top standard for visual acuity in the UK is 6/6, which is a metric measure. 20/20 is an imperial measure standard only used the other side of the pond.

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