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New Diesel and Petrol Vehicles to be Banned in the UK from 2040

07/26/2017 9:22 AM
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07/26/2017 10:50 AM

I don't know why they feel they have to force the issue....just build a better product...

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07/26/2017 11:13 AM

They obviously have no confidence that EVs will be able to compete in a free market without government outlawing any competition.

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07/26/2017 11:22 AM

There is a precedent, though.

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07/27/2017 4:11 AM

What, in the same way the oil companies, have bought up and shelved, pretty much every invention, they seen as competition to them.

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07/27/2017 1:19 PM

For example?

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07/26/2017 11:39 AM

Maybe they should outlaw bad engine designs for diesel that do not incorporate hydrogen on demand, that would increase burn efficiency up to 30-35%.

Hydrogen acts in the engine drastically increase the burn velocity during the power stroke, thus keep the flame front caught up with the piston.

This is obviously something to do with the stupid, worthless, feckless Paris Accord Agreement, that actually has nothing to do with pollution, but does rob the common man.

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07/28/2017 12:02 AM

Why give all the stick to diesels?

Petrol engines are fine until you close the throttle then the efficiency flies out the window and that would be any time you are driving on a speed restricted road.

Add to that the use of catalysts which demand stoichiometry to work and you have total inefficiency. Lean burn was a great concept in the 1980's, remember British Leyland lean burn technology as well as Honda's CVCC engine?

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07/26/2017 3:06 PM

the economic disaster that will result will lead to painful political realities, the restrictions will be eased.

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07/26/2017 3:14 PM

Metaphorically speaking, it's too bad those UK/EU poly-ticks can't get their feet up to their heads when they pull those "shoot ourselves in the foot/feet..." antics.

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07/26/2017 4:50 PM

Would be better if they shot themselves in the head instead of the foot !

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07/27/2017 2:35 AM

Smoke and mirrors.. they will be so much of an uproar, and they will then realize the government coffers falls way short of expectations, it will vanish into the black hole of lost causes that has been under "The Cabinet" table in No 10 Downing Street since Harold Wilson's time!
Great idea, maybe..... certainly no traction!

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07/27/2017 4:15 AM

Hands up those who work in the oil/gas industry.

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07/27/2017 4:23 AM

I work in the automotive industry. In effect I subsidise the Oil industry by using their products in my V8 powered Jeep which, incidentally, runs on LPG.

Does that mean I indirectly work in the Oil / Gas industry?

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07/27/2017 4:30 AM

Yep. Put your hand up.

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07/27/2017 4:35 AM

OK

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07/27/2017 4:39 AM

Thank you very much, that's got the ball rolling, we'll just wait for the others.

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07/28/2017 10:27 PM

I'm going to put my foot down on this nonsense . . .

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07/27/2017 6:07 AM

A big concern is the low number of charging points and the cost of installation but that is just the tip of the iceberg. UK transport annually uses 54.2Mtoe (million tons of oil equivalent). That equates to 630346000Mwh of electricity. Divide that by the number of hours per year and you would need to install 70Tw (Terawatts) of distribution capacity if the demand was evenly spread. But the demand will not be evenly spread so assuming a utility factor of 0.33 you need 210Tw of distribution capacity in the form of overhead power lines, underground power lines (15x the cost of overhead line), switching stations, substations, and local distribution to the charging points. The "Western Link" is a £1bn project to connect 2.2Gw of renewable power recently installed in Scotland to the Wirral in North West England. That is about 420km with approximately 90% of the route in a sub-sea cable. One technical hitch in this project has cost £149m in price over runs (to date). The iceberg that is lurking below the UK government's eye line is 100x the capacity of the Western Link and 200x the route length to achieve reasonable distribution across the whole of the UK. At a conservative estimate the distribution infrastructure cost is £8 trillion or 4x the current UK GDP (based on today's cost and not including for inflation). But the UK public does not need to panic at the prospect of finding the electricity distribution cost out of taxes, we don't have anything like that amount of electricity generating capacity.

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07/27/2017 8:50 AM

Very astute and spot on analysis, and why we need to yank power away from elitists, that in the final analysis are totally ignorant of reality.

If not ignorant, then it is one of the worse political conspiracies only rivaled by the power elite (HRC cartel) in bed with Big Pharma to kill all us older generation off.

Beware and be very afraid of elitism, it will be the end of us all. They will do whatever it takes to gain power, money, control, more money, and more power, all the while lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering to control their own destiny, and remove power from the hands of the people. You have been warned.

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07/27/2017 10:08 AM

Yeah! Go Capitalism Whoooohooooo

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07/27/2017 6:39 AM

Another prime example of politicians, making laws concerning things that they really have little understanding of.

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07/27/2017 6:45 AM

Exactly why my post #7 should be applied

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07/27/2017 6:48 AM

I couldn't agree more.

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07/27/2017 10:28 PM

Those 2039 vehicles will command a premium pretty quickly.

Wonder what kind of transferable contracts might become available to secure rights to buy some 2039 model.

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07/31/2017 10:04 PM

Well by that time we might be all be dead. And that is one reason why they are pushing electric cars nowadays.

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08/01/2017 9:28 AM

...to carry around our dead corpses? What is the point of that, you still won't be hungry when you get to McDonald's?

I think electric vehicles are just one more way for government to gain more power and control over the "subjects" "slaves". If they don't like you, they suck all the power back out of your car while parked and plugged in, so after the bank robbery, you can't get away.

Now where does that leave all the criminal element? You tell me...

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08/06/2017 9:50 PM

Well, you have a good point here James.

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08/08/2017 1:36 AM

Just curious to know what would happen to all diesel and petrol vehicles once the banning begins? Also, would the manufacturers be giving discounts if a consumer who happens to own a petrol running vehicle decided to buy a new car?

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08/08/2017 8:59 PM

By the way. Is true that automotive industry will start implementing driverless vehicles by 2020?

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