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Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/03/2017 8:02 AM

how screw position effect the process as i can fill a component with putting screw position at 150mm or same by 10mm ... so how i can determine on which position should be practically and theoretically.

thanks if you insight

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Re: Injection molding process screw position

08/03/2017 8:17 AM

Start by making sure there is an adequate written description of what is wanted. One sentence is never enough, <...practically...> or <...theoretically...>, as demonstrated by the content of the original posting.

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Re: Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/03/2017 8:54 AM

I strongly recommend you to look for the USER MANUAL of the machine you are trying to operate. There are a lot of parameters to set before the first shot.

These parameters also vary depending on the thermoplastic to be injected, the type of mold used, temperature of the mold, etc, etc.

A non appropiate setting may cause injuries to the person operating the machine as well as to bystanders. There is a high risk of also damaging the machine and the mold.

My recommendation is you better keep your fingers off the machine (while they are still attached to the rest of your hand)

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Re: Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/03/2017 8:54 AM

My (imaginary) injection moulding machine has 7(seven) screws, all with Imperial threads, so the positions are all specified in inches.

Seriously, do you think there's only one type, size and make of injection moulding machine in existence? How do you expect us to know anything about your machine (or process) when you've told us nothing in that regard?

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Re: Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/03/2017 9:01 AM

<...there's only one type, size and make of injection moulding machine in existence...> Isn't there, then?

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08/03/2017 9:16 AM

Oh, sorry, yes there is. It has 7 imperial screws .

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08/03/2017 1:58 PM

With 7 Imperials, it is truly a superlative machine, and perfect in measure.

If it had only six, it would not be perfect. It is not complete in that the number of the machine is not 10. With 10 Imperial screws it would be a complete screw up.

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08/03/2017 2:04 PM

I agree with others. You have a lot to learn, before ever turning on the heaters.

I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you.You would be totally useless and make junk, if you don't know what you're doing.

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Google "How to set up an injection molder."

Sweep the floors until you do your homework! Seriously.

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08/03/2017 3:04 PM

..."At some point in just about all of my scientific molding classes, I am bound to write those three words in bold print on the board. My intention is to emphasize the importance of understanding the specific performance and control of the molding machine being used. It’s one thing to understand the daunting concepts of scientific molding, but getting your machine to do exactly what you want and need it to do can be quite another thing. Many molders think they “know their machine,” but in reality do not. They get consumed by the demands of day-to-day production requirements and lose sight of the big picture.

Our industry has a lack of consistency in technical terminology, controller logic, and user interface. Specific machine performance, response, and calibration can be quite different from one machine to another, even if they are identical models from the same supplier. As a result, there is no “one size fits all” approach to applying these advanced processing strategies.

Over the last couple of decades, countless molders have received training in the field of scientific molding. Once these concepts are learned, the molder is responsible for understanding the idiosyncrasies of their particular machine. Only then can the molder apply what they have learned. Making assumptions about machine control, response, and performance can quite often lead to confusion and failure. The experts teach the concepts but the molder is responsible for applying these concepts on their own machine.

Many examples of the “know your machine” concept can be found in the many contributions that John Bozzelli and others have made to the Injection Molding Know How column as well as other technical writings over the years. In my opinion, it all starts with evaluating machine performance. Experts agree that even the best scientific molding strategies will not overcome poor machine performance.

I encourage the readers of this column to review the three-part series Bozzelli wrote on The Basics of Machine Evaluation back in 2010. In these writings, he details several tests that can be performed to evaluate injection control. (See top right for links to these articles.)

Simply put, in order to apply scientific molding successfully, the machine must perform. Here are some things to consider:

•Accuracy and control of screw position (screw drift, shot-size variation, position cutoff consistency, screw-bottom zeroing, etc.): In order to achieve shot-to-shot consistency, injection must start with the same amount of material in the barrel, and transfer to the holding phase must occur at the same position on each and every shot. Another important (and often overlooked) point is screw-bottom zeroing. In order for the injection unit to transfer pressure to the plastic during pack and hold, we must maintain a cushion. If the screw-bottom zeroing is off, the molder may not be maintaining a cushion, resulting in short shots and dimensional variation.

•Load sensitivity: This test qualifies the machine’s ability to maintain consistency in fill time under varying loads (material viscosity variation, thermal cycling, etc.). Think of it like cruise control in your car, which is intended to help your car maintain a consistent speed even when road conditions change. It is very important that the load-sensitivity test be performed at multiple injection-speed settings (I usually test three). Many machines will pass this test at one speed but fail at another. So test and confirm that the machine can accurately maintain injection velocity control at all speeds within the range that you intend to use.

•Non-return valve performance: Each time we begin to inject plastic into the mold, at least a small amount of material leaks past the valve. As the valve (usually a sliding check-ring style) and the barrel start to wear, this leakage increases, as does the variation in leakage. This results in process variation. It is critical that we perform a static or a dynamic test (or both) to monitor the condition of the non-return valve. Excessively worn components must be replaced.

•Injection velocity linearity and accuracy: In this test, the machine’s injection velocity control at various speed settings is evaluated. Note that there are some inaccuracies in how this test is traditionally performed, primarily due to the time that it takes to accelerate the movement of the screw. One easy trick for improving the test accuracy is to use more than 80% of the shot capacity of the machine. If the shot requirement for the mold is too small, we can “cheat” by adding extra decompression, forcing the machine to use more of the shot capacity. Please confirm that the mold can handle the extra air introduced.

It’s also important for the scientific molder to understand how the machine handles deceleration of injection (overshoot). Although a great deal of this overshoot is due to momentum, other factors come into play such as controller speed, scan rates, hydraulic valve response, and drive technology (hydraulic, electric servo, or hybrid). These factors influence how much uncontrolled overshoot occurs at transfer to hold. Generally speaking, all-electric machines have less overshoot than hydraulic machines, although some machine manufacturers offer advanced hydraulic drive technology that helps to minimize this condition.

Evaluating overshoot can be done quite easily by setting the molding machine up to run “fill only” parts (short shots that contain the plastic that is injected into the cavity during first-stage injection only). Once you are producing “fill only” parts, take note of your transfer position and your final screw position. The difference between those two numbers is your overshoot.

•Switchover response: This is perhaps the most subtle and complicated, yet one of the most critical of the machine tests. Problems at switchover are much more common than you may think and can lead to problems with dimensional control, shorts, flash, and other molding defects. In extreme cases this can even lead to tool damage.

•Backpressure control: Backpressure problems often go undetected; in recent months, I have found problems with backpressure control on more than 50% of 20+ machines evaluated. Problems with backpressure can lead to dimensional variation, short shots, flash, black specks, color problems, and several other molded defects. It can also lead to inconsistencies in, or extension of, the cycle time.

The best method to evaluate backpressure control is to use some sort of graphic process-monitoring capability, either within the molding machine controller or with an external device (such as the RJG eDART system). Using the graphic screen, compare the actual backpressure to the set backpressure throughout screw recovery. The greater the discrepancy, the greater the likelihood of problems. This same method can be used to evaluate the accuracy of hold-pressure control.

In cases where graphic process-monitoring capability is not available, a trained eye can detect some backpressure or hold-pressure control problems by watching the pressure gauge or digital pressure display on the controller (although this isn’t very accurate or easy to do).

•Temperature control: Injection molding machines are notorious for temperature-control issues. Part of the problem is the disconnect between the steel temperature that we can control directly and the plastic temperature that we need to control, but this isn’t the only problem. Placement and style of thermocouples and heater bands greatly influence our ability to control temperatures throughout the injection system (barrel, nozzle, hot runner, etc.). In the nozzle area alone, I often find temperature variances of up to 100° F when measuring the temperature of everything from the end cap to the nozzle tip.

•Clamp system: The importance of qualifying performance of the machine does not end with the injection unit. It is critical that the molder also evaluates the clamp system (platen parallelism and deflection, clamp-force control, etc.). The procedure for this evaluation is often included in the machine’s maintenance manual. It is also important to understand the differences in clamping systems (toggle, hydraulic, two-platen, etc.) and how clamp force is influenced. In the case of toggle systems, exact control of clamp force is often very difficult due to the influence of thermal expansion.

•Machine safety systems and equipment: The most critical “know your machine” concept is safety. Far too many molders fail to confirm the proper operation of key safety systems. Additionally, guards are removed or missing, limit switches are bypassed, and older machines are not updated to meet current safety standards. These unsafe practices should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

The “know your machine” concept does start with machine performance, but goes far beyond it. To successfully implement scientific molding, the molder must be knowledgeable in a number of other areas. Thinking and working in plastic pressure is one important skill. In order to do this, the scientific molder must know the intensification ratio on a hydraulic machine. (Intensification ratio is the relationship between hydraulic pressure and plastic pressure.)

The molder must also know how to properly produce a “fill only” sample on a specific machine. In most cases, this is done by leaving the pack and hold time on, but adjusting the pressure setting to 0 psi (or to the minimum setting allowed). The molder must watch the screw position to confirm that the screw does not drift forward during pack and hold. If it does, an alternative method must be used. The most common alternative method is to again adjust the pack and hold pressure to 0 psi and turn the pack and hold timer off. The time taken from pack and hold should be added to the cooling timer and to the screw rotation delay timer. This helps to prevent additional plastic from being extruded into the cavity during screw rotation."...

"These “fill only” short shots compare typical overshoot of an all-electric machine and of a hydraulic machine. Please note how overshoot increases along with injection speed. (Photo: John Bozzelli, Injection Molding Solutions)"

http://www.ptonline.com/columns/know-your-machine

http://www.ptonline.com/zones/browse/know-how-injection-molding/2

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Re: Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/03/2017 4:02 PM

Interesting. Short shot, and mold burn in some nylon parts, as well as Delrin, are immediate reject, and loss of revenue on production time.

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08/04/2017 10:12 AM

Interesting, that's a whole lot of information to receive only a good score of 2.

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08/04/2017 10:28 AM

I´ll bet you that only vey few read the complete post!

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Re: Injection Molding Process Screw Position

08/05/2017 3:17 AM

for more clarity , I am attaching image that shows you 10,15,35 are the screw position which will fill the required material with respected pressure and velocity.Now the question is " how this position(as shown in screen shot of my machine) effect my process.

i am thanking for all your mentioned comment either bad or good.

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