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No Tech Jobs for Engineers in India

10/02/2017 2:28 AM

Bitter truth of Engineering grads in India is that most of them turn to non tech jobs due to scarcity of technical jobs. And many Engineers are turning towards MBA.

My question is why are so many engineers produced in India if we cannot offer them viable careers? Why are we forced to compromise at the end of the day and do a non-technical job?

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Re: No Tech Jobs for Engineers in India

10/02/2017 3:28 AM

The answer is obvious.

There are more engineering students graduating than there are engineering jobs to fill.

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10/02/2017 7:31 AM

Having an engineering degree is one thing, being good at it is a whole different story.

Usually the outstanding ones get the jobs, and the rest are the ones doing a non-technical job, or they leave for new opportunities in foreign countries.

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10/02/2017 8:01 AM

imo, I think its the failure of India's Caste system... and needs to be overhauled.

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10/02/2017 9:04 AM

It almost sounds like you believe the American caste system works so much better.

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10/02/2017 9:18 AM

No unfortunately fortunately, I have no family members in politics, only farmers...

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10/02/2017 1:44 PM

Oh, so now we are officially having the caste system in America? I knew about Eliot Ness and the Untouchables, but I thought that was in a different context...

So what you are saying...if you don't got have money, you ain't are not gonna going to get money.

Seems I already which caste I belong to, but I am trying really hard to beat the system.

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10/02/2017 2:07 PM

You didn't get the memo? I guess that says it all.

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10/02/2017 2:30 PM

In so many words, you and I got the same memo, I think.

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10/02/2017 4:58 PM

In response to multiplying-tuition-costs, when coupled with exponentially-rising-textbook-costs, there may be an (American Economic Caste System) well on it's way...

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10/02/2017 8:27 AM

I'm sure there are countless valid points of view.

I noticed years ago that India contributed a huge amount of high quality, college level educational content to YouTube. It's obvious that India puts a lot of effort and money into making education available. Thank you India, I have watched many of the videos.

The bad news is that having more college level educated people can result in more engineers than jobs. Its a problem, but I'm tempted to call it a good problem.

We trend toward the opposite problem here. We have common core and a big push toward less stress and more fun for kids. It is common to hear that 2+2=4 with old math and 2+2=5 with common core math. I know a number of teachers. The "no child left behind" program has a strong "no child gets ahead" component. We have kids that are great at computer games and texting. Many of them don't even know that STEM stands for science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

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10/03/2017 10:34 AM

I agree with your assessment of modern American education.

Back in the dark ages, we went to school and there was a specific (usually) curriculum pretty well adhered to by teachers. There was always homework to do and if you got into trouble at school, you were in trouble at home when your parents found out.

We learned how to read, write (cursive) do math and that basic education put men on the Moon.

Now, if you get into trouble at school, one of your parents will yell at the teacher for being mean to you.

New math is like learning Chinese.

My daughter teaches grade school and she hates the new math. Five years ago I attended an introduction to that math as we had a kid in fourth grade and they were being switched over. It was ridiculous! Instead of learning simple arithmetic, you were taught to de-construct the numbers, then draw a visual representation of the lowest form of the numbers and them put it back together again.

Granted, computers and smart phones have made things easier, but I doesn't make any sense to me.

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10/03/2017 11:04 AM

Tell me about it. I had a mathematics minor in college, almost double major. Straight A's.

Now I am trying to learn Matlab, and so far, I cannot buy enough time to finish the "Learn Matlab" tutorials, but it really feels like new math. It is a foreign language to me, even though I am not horrible at programing for Arduino, basically C++ programming. It is even "supposed" to be the same language.

I am still learning when to and when not to use [ and ] brackets, what , means, what ; means, what : means, what "end" means, etc.

I am lost in a labyrinth of mathematics that all seem foreign to me, even though I used to be able to deal with Hamiltonian operator, Hermitian operator, multi-dimensional equations of state, and all the rest, including symmetry groups.

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10/03/2017 2:41 PM

Its not really new math its just a way of programming where the concept has been sort of shifted to make it easier to implement (data entry into) a simple software-based environment.

It really feels like a new language and has to sort of be treated as such.

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10/03/2017 3:19 PM

Thank you for the kindly support of an old man, still trying to learn something new.

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10/02/2017 12:53 PM

Bitter truth of Engineering grads in India is that most of them turn to non tech jobs due to scarcity of technical jobs.----

Bitter truth is most of them are not True engineers, they are engineer with piece of paper.

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Too few Tech Jobs for graduating Engineers in India

10/02/2017 3:00 PM

Yea. With so many applying for so few jobs you really have to be something quite special to get a job.

This is not just a problem in India, but seems to be worse than other countries based on numerous previous posts on CR4 out of India. There seems to be a number of reasons but I won't go into that now.

Work experience helps, but even here in NZ I have come across Engineers (some of which were specialised in their fields) who were so clueless that I had to get involved and set them right. A piece of paper alone definitely does not make someone an Engineer.

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10/02/2017 1:20 PM

Ideally, if there is a labor shortage in a certain profession, demand and salaries would be higher leading more people to enter that profession, and conversely, if there was a surplus, salaries would be depressed leading people to enter a different profession. Admittedly, there is significant latency in the feedback loop.

Having said that, rest assured that there are engineers everywhere that are not doing actual design work. Normally, what happens is that the new engineer will not get the interesting technical jobs until he or she has proven him/herself. You basically have to work your way into the good job.

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10/02/2017 1:38 PM

For comparison's sake, in the U. S., I had to work in various levels of engineering technician jobs for 4 & 1/2 years, after graduation, before I got my first ''Junior Civil Engineer'' job...

... and I still regard my technician experience as some of the most valuable work experience that I ever got...

... and I got it because I was willing to go where the technician work was, do what the tecnician work was, and live on what the technician work paid, until I did get an actual engineering-level job title...

... and it made me a better engineer because of it ...

No (Cinder-fella)-story for me...

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10/02/2017 5:04 PM

But. are those Engineer-MBAs getting hired?...

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"But. are those Engineer-MBAs getting hired?..."

Of course they are! Where would Scott Adams get his material if they weren't?

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10/04/2017 8:39 AM

Who is Scott Adams? Mr. Dilbert I suppose...

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10/02/2017 10:44 PM

Started looking into India, and I came across this video.

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10/03/2017 10:59 AM

May God Bless India, as she continues her meteoric rise from British wastage of a tremendous resources, mostly arising from greed and bigotry.

I see a picture in India of what America might have been like if left as a colony, only not as extreme in scope as what was brought about in India. Nevertheless, when loyal to Britain, Indians showed exceptional loyalty and courage in battle in WWII.

Ghandi had the right idea, but there were pernicious forces at work, including the conflict of religious ideas, that led to the splitting of India to Pakistan and India. It should never have happened, and only through a pitiful misunderstanding did it ever.

The Muslim faction was oh so very egotistical in their demands.

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10/04/2017 4:41 PM

Yes, but see what Ghandi said about the Holocaust and the Jews. "They should have offered themselves to the Butcher's knives." ." This said, after the war and the discovery of the Concentration camps.. From the book , " Indian Summer; The Secret History of the End of An Empire".He professed admiration for Hitler and didn't think he was as bad as portrayed.

He also added that England should have surrendered "their beautiful Island to Hitler and Mussolini, " so absolute his advocacy for Non-Violence. More than meets the eye, sometimes..

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10/04/2017 4:54 PM

I guess I slept through that part. It astounds me to think Ghandi would say it.

Apparently, even the most astute can be deceived. Hitler was clearly as bad as viewed by America, even worse. If Hitler was "so great" why did his own Generals attempt to do him in, not just once, but several times...not including all attempts by agents of Britain.

I am sure George Soros appeared to be following Ghandi's advice by turning in his own people in Hungary. How he is not guilty of a war crime, I will never know.

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10/04/2017 5:14 PM

If Hitler was "so great" why did his own Generals attempt to do him in, not just once, but several times...

Well what it really boiled down to was that as time progressed Hitler was making increasingly bad decisions and losing the war. In the end Hitler was one of the Allies biggest assets, his poor decisions and micromanaging helped shorten the war and save lives. His actions on D-Day and his foolish and unnecessary attack on Russia arguably lost Germany the war, where as if his generals had had their way these events may very likely not have happened and the world would be quite a different place.

He accomplished a few other good things, but nothing that remotely approaches overcoming all the terrible things he did for reasons he believed were right and just.

(geez, how did we get on to Hitler and Ghandi again?)

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10/04/2017 5:17 PM

(geez, how did we get on to Hitler and Ghandi again?)

Next will be conservatives...

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10/04/2017 8:01 PM

Godwin's law in action.

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As we speak.

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10/05/2017 10:40 AM

So this thread is dead, right?

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RE: Indian Engineers, Ghandi being Indian...I suppose.

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10/05/2017 4:26 PM

Reportedly, Eisenhower was prepared to take up to 50% causualties on D-Day, and realised that so many (resources) could not be reassembled to try again for two more years, by which time, Russia would be well into (Central Europe), by itself...

Quite a different place, indeed...

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I was really blown away with the Ghandi quotes. Threw some stabil datums right out the window..

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What complete and utter bullcr@p! Here is an excerpt from Ghandi's December 24, 1940 letter to Hitler:

We have no doubt about your bravery or devotion to your fatherland, nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents. But your own writings and pronouncements and those of your friends and admirers leave no room for doubt that many of your acts are monstrous and unbecoming of human dignity, especially in the estimation of men like me who believe in universal friendliness.

While this writing style may seem contradictory or at the very least paradoxical by today's standards, acknowledging your readers perspective before taking it apart was a very common scholarly and legal writing approach of the time. In this letter Ghandi does later acknowledge an earlier appeal for Britain to abandon violent resistance but not to abandon resistance all together. If one selects only key sentence fragments for the stupid lazy impatient readers of today one can believe the very opposite of what the author intended. For a more contemporary explanation of Ghandi's correspondence to Hitler (Hitler never replied) I recommend the article by Nicholas De Zamaróczy.

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10/04/2017 4:29 PM

Please include in the history of India , the inclusion of the Muslims and Pakastani's. A lot more to be learned.

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10/03/2017 8:50 AM

IMHO the present educational systems has turned into a big booming business...as diploma mills becomes rampant everywhere...especially in the 3rd world countries.

And in a profit oriented production the quality almost always goes down...Hence the quality of graduates ultimately do suffer!

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I like to think that diploma mills intuitions will go by the wayside like ITT did.

Tie their profitability to their product, and it will change.

One thing I learned is everyone is entitled to a college education, but not everyone should have a college education.

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Are they all entitled to college education, should some of them applied themselves more before college? Sure, I too, believe in redemption, so let it not be said I would deny them that which is sought, but I would not say they are entitled as a birthright.

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ok, entitled is too strong, I should have said opportunity,... how's that?

A few years back, I took a few night classes at the now defunct ITT Technical Institute... as an example, in our area, the Indians believed in educated all on their reservation. Good intentions.

some of these were in the class. the could not comprehend, no problem solving abilities, grade school writing abilities, even psychological and anger issues to name a few. I like to add that this is across the board to all races.

ITT kept passing these (Indian) students because the tribe had deep wallets and ITT took advantage of this.

I had it out with the administrator because some of the instructors in the 3-4 years stopped passing these students just because on some of the papers the students submitted it was written on a 7th grade level.

One of the students threw a fit in class, stormed out and vandalized the instructors car. he broke the mirrors and wipers off. Then keyed her car.

I talked to the administrator (email for a reason), they said there was nothing they could do. I then told them that's fine, I have a record that this person was reported and your responses in written, then told them now your aware of it and when it escalates its on your shoulders.

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10/03/2017 4:49 PM

Maybe you could have used a better, less confusing term as "Native American", since this thread started out being about India and engineering careers for actual Indians.

Wifey has been telling me that (and I will no doubt be in serious trouble for repeating), that Caucasians were present in North America before the "Native Americans", and apparently were wiped out.

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10/03/2017 5:01 PM

Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America ...

"Across Atlantic Ice", a book by professors Dennis Stanford and Bruce Bradley presenting the case for the trans-Atlantic trek, is to be published next month.

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Very interesting, so Leif Erickson was a bit late....wonder what the name of the actual discoverer of North America was, Groot? Slogg? Colin?

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10/03/2017 5:27 PM

yes,... details it's all in the details.

i was using the native Americans as an example of why not everyone should have a college education, again... they goes across the board not every one should have a college education.

As far as the white man first coming to America... the difference, no one is asking for reparations.

secondly,... look at the second coming of the white man... just picture them as just another tribe, that conquers, stole and raped the women of tribes that were here... they'd fit right in.

Now back in topic, I worked with some engineers from India, I have to admit, they were very intelligent in their field. But if they even once stepped out of their field... that are lost.

while domestic engineers (U.S. engineers ) we were so used to getting responsibility outside their/our realm, basically cross trained, in electrical, chemistry, etc... they/we never would think twice of not attempting something new and challenging, and just do it.

all because the company's here, required it so to speak.

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10/04/2017 8:36 AM

Is the difference due to American hubris or to more the idea that if we don't know something, we can "look it up" and be an "expert" within hours?

The wealth of information out there is truly astounding, and outstanding. In some areas, the research has not been done, or is totally incomplete, and we reside on the frontiers of engineering science. It is a fantastic time to be alive!

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10/04/2017 12:19 PM

"I worked with some engineers from India......once stepped out of their field"

I've worked with engineers (some PhD) from England, China, Japan, Viet Nam and right here in the USA that fit that same category. I had to ride with a Chinese PhD in Montreal who scared the living hell out of me driving. But he knew acoustics.

I also hired a kid that was a virtuoso musician, educated at one of the top music schools in the country, who went back to school and got his ME degree. That kid was one of the very best engineers who've ever worked for me.

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10/04/2017 1:32 PM

At least he could pick up the good vibrations...if any were emanating.

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10/04/2017 3:49 PM

We farmed the land next to a music academy. It was basically a summer camp for students, where they bring in big named talent and played. They had a Jazz semester and then a classical one. The Jazz was cool, the classical people where for a lack of a better word, different.

It was held in the summer in a renovated barn. When this first started out, I was about twelve - fourteen years old, and when I was working the fields, I would stop, for one reason or another can't remember why... probably because there were a few prett girls there playing volley ball on the lawn next to the field I was working. We started talking, and gew of the faculty and instructors came over.

And we talked for some time on a number of occasions. As a teenage, I thought that was pretty cool. But what was more interesting there were about 3 instructors, (professors I think) that all started out going to collage majorimg in Mechanical Engineering, and they switch to music, (2 of which complete their BSME).

since then, I always felt there was a connection between music and math (engineering)

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10/03/2017 5:29 PM

I do too...

What bothers me is the trend in those young people's mind..

I maybe wrong in thinking that a lot of them got mis-oriented /misguided while growing up!

Since most believe that the sooner they can add extensions and more letters onto their names, the easier, and brighter their future is going to be!

It is possible that I'm just being too old ..... fashioned?

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10/03/2017 5:40 PM

I saw a problem back in the 90's, one of this green horns were reading a book about success and getting to the top... it was full of quips, one of the quips was... 'why take the ladder to the top, when you can take the elevator'. Nothing else, just that quip...

I laugh, he was insulted, and he said, someday he was going to be my boss... and now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder what happened to that wonder boy. Ummm

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10/04/2017 8:37 AM

Over-inflated hubris goes before a long fall!

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10/03/2017 10:48 AM

Might there also be a parental component involved? Parents want the prestige of their child being a doctor, lawyer, or engineer without regard/awareness to the current demand for those occupations.

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OK, but my daughter can still ride a horse, and knows how to grow food, and slaughter a hog.

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Of course! Most parents, when asked what their kid does would much rather say, "Oh he/she's a doctor/lawyer, etc than just saying "Oh, he a plumber/truck driver, etc.

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Now that she is settling down to a "normal" life, I could not be more proud of her.

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Parents are that way, universally.

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It's unfortunate that parents, grandparents, et al would rather brag about having an unemployed engineer living in their basement than a gainfully employed plumber off raising a family.

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http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/115687?frmtrk=cr4sd#newcomments

Here's a job in India that needs looked into by an engineer....just sayin'.

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In my opinion today's youth is not focused. after 10+2 they don't know what to do. I don't think anyone parents force to specific things, they only guide their child.I am in contact lots of engineering student from first to final year they don't know what to do. In such condition how they can get the job?

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Good point! All the rest of us can do as we age is become cheerleaders rather than the players, but OMG what an ugly bunch of cheerleaders we would make!!!

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10/05/2017 2:50 PM

Cheerleading is one of the most dangerous sports injury wise, so I don't think that would be a good idea, at our ages we would never get through a full routine without atleast one injury.

Thanks by the way for the mental image of our regular CR4 users formed into a cheerleading pyramid. (and todays joke is....wait for it......)

I think it stands to reason we know which CR4 users would be on the far left and far right of the base.

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Don't quit your day job just yet.

I wouldn't get anywhere near the right side of that pyramid. Too weak and baseless for any real support.

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Lets just say the CR4 cheerleader pyramid is a bit lopsided.

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Now that sounded like"baseless" slander. How dare you demean our stalwart cheerleaders? Not a one of them under 220 lbs. What you got?

I would naturally not expect much any support from you, silly tumbleweed man.

The left side of the pyramid would totally fail to form while digging for imagined dirt on the "Orange One".

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Don't miss the fondue snack fountain over by the beer tap.

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James you not that ugly... ... Lets hear your 'Battle Cry' cheer.

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The true rebel yell, is terrifying, and may not be uttered here. It is only to be used in battle.

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Gud question!!! Some choose engineering as a career by getting influenced by the neighbor's son They don't think what is good for them, they just followed crowed where they met a dead end.

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they just followed the crowded where they met a dead end.

I always felt, if your in a dead end or down, the best way to get out is through education.

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and, my brother, hard labor is not best when digging at the bottom of a deep hole.

It is better to rest a spell, and ponder an inclined path.

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neither is waiting for someone else to deal with the problems you, yourself own.

The only person that looks after number 1, is number 1.

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I see a finger (rather bony one at that) pointing right at me). Why should I have to deal with my problems, while I can co-exist with them for a time?

Talk about rationalization....LOL

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Nothing wrong no with dealing with them for a time being.

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If you love to be a technical guy, I guess you find a way out in India. The best thing to do is apply for a master's degree in some other place and see a lot of windows of opportunity there. Why not work in the middle-east, Canada, Australia or the some other countries where technical jobs is in demand.

There is an exponential growth of population you know that. Whether you accommodate it or not, believe me, a technical guy or an engineer is in demand to cater its needs. Look at the cities they are growing, buildings and infrastructures are blooming almost everywhere.

And engineers are dying younger because of alcohol, drugs, greasy foods and other sexual related problems. They surely need some surplus.

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10/10/2017 9:32 AM

Where do you get such malarkey?

The new generations coming up now, do not need engineers, as their purpose is clearly destruction and the collapse of civilization. Removing statues and/or defacing historical monuments is only a symptom of the problem.

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It is sad but true fact is that standard of engineering education is currently drastically lower down compared to decades earlier and as a result a large number of engineering grads just passed out from colleges ,specially , from many private engineering colleges have technical knowledge not up to the mark and so they find it difficult to get technical jobs.

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Could the reason be because of technology?

I'm sure the colleges 'cover' fundamentals. But with the tools of programs and apps, do these engineers really understand the fundamentals.

I have said this before, 'NASA can train a monkey to become an astronaut, but its still a monkey'.

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That is absolutely a cause for riotous laughter, Mr.
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You got that right about the clueless fresh out of school.

A motion control programmer I work with regularly boasts about his doctoral degree in robotics. He was failing by many months at getting a device to work at the speeds needed for an experiment. As a final desperate act management asked somebody who knew nothing about the programming of this motion controller, me, to look into the problem. The first questions I asked were not about the communication, address or the self tuning procedure of the driver. My first questions were about the mechanical load and the electric motor selected. To my shock the programmer didn't know the location nor magnitude of the center of mass. The programmer also insisted that friction did not exist at all. I quickly determined that the stepping motor selected was barely sufficient to crawl with the loads it was fighting. No amount of programming or motion control theory can help.

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OMG,... that sounds so familiar...

I was called in to trouble shoot a piece of equipment. A cheese lane diverting line... (orientate 2-5 pound blocks of cheese either in single rows, or double rows for packaging)

I looked at the machine, and they had a monstrosity of mechanical devices amounting to about 800 lbs. mounted on a lightweight 2"x2"x 11 ga 304 SS frame.

and it was suppose to move the mass of the monstrosity of mechanical devices its self 14"-16" in under a second.

The company had $750,000.00 into it already, to try to get it to work (on a quoted $250,000, with only 10% down)

I gave them (2) recommendations,

  1. kill the project as it is
  2. or start over from scratch using a serial robot similar to the picture below mounted on a $15,000.00-$20,000.00 conveyor, the robot, it's mounting and its programing would have been $125,000 - $150,000
  3. Put the company up for sale (liquidating assets), because this wasn't the only project and they still had some cash the bank.
  4. Declare Bankruptcy.

They choose 1, 3 and 4. They were able to sell off the controls for $0.25 to the dollar... which I told them they were lucky.

They then asked me to look at an exact weight cheese cutter. Another engineering abortion.

they had a few projects, it was disgusting.

The Engineer that engineered this graduated with a BSME from Michigan Tech. And he wasn't fresh out of college either. He had about 10 years of experience.

Was able to generate some new work... about $400,000.00 worth, to sweeten the pot.

But inevitable the company folded, and the little good will it had left the new WIP's and equipment.

The owner asked me to stay on as part of the good will for the deal to go through.

I did stay on to carry out the projects to the end, which was about 10 months.

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I gave them (2) (4) recommendations,

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Cheese alignment issues? Really? Sounds like they needed mechanical Ex-Lax.

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No, too much mass on the equipment for the required speed.

Everything was undersized, cylinders right down to the foundations.

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Perhaps, you got the wrong question. You should have asked him about Java.

Masteral and doctoral degrees are like two-piece. It all depends on who's wearing it.

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WTF?

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I totally agree. WTFWT?

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NASA can train a monkey to be an astronaut, but can they train an astronaut to be a monkey? If it eats bananas, does that make a monkey out of a man/woman?

I say it can't be done. People can be made fools of, and that is what the universities are doing -"forcing", or rather enticing people to pay exorbitant funds to get paper degrees that relatively mean little about the efficacy of the intellect toward working at a particular task.

Self-delusion is a completely different matter. One can be sophomoric and have a breadth of superficial knowledge, and still be unfit to the task at hand. Someone who barely passed basic algebra cannot be expected to instantly set in solving partial differential equations. Although having MatLab might assist them, if they can read elsewhere about the principle methods involving in arriving at solutions.

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NASA can train a monkey to be an astronaut, but can they train an astronaut to be a monkey?

Plenty of monkeys in politics... but lets not get into politics ok...

People can be made fools of, and that is what the universities are doing -"forcing", or rather enticing people to pay exorbitant funds to get paper degrees that relatively mean little about the efficacy of the intellect toward working at a particular task.

When education was made profitable, that was fueled by student loans, was the beginning of the end for quality education from for-profit colleges. Fortunately, there were a few students that made the most of the education that was being offered.

Self-delusion is a completely different matter.

Here's one, Kennedy-Western, back in the 90's when I was looking to get that piece of paper, I wasn't impressed by them, but then they advertised that they were 'affiliated with LSU, I looked into it further, only to feel that it was all a ruse. And it was, to escape from government regulators from shutting them down, it kept changing there names and they moved to a state with little or no regulations on diploma mills.

Unfortunately these diploma mills, made it easy to get a diploma (with easily obtainable government student loans), but the so-called education they received was very expensive and the snowflakes receive this education did absolutely no due diligence on investigation on the sustainability of their degree, only to cry and blame others for their own irresponsibility and financial distress.

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Again I really did not want to respond but here goes.

I worked with Hindu engineers for around 10 years here in America.

What I saw was a consistent desire to please their superiors and even falsify reports and results to achieve their superiors praise. No matter what the cost, for immediate praise.

For the most part they had no concern for the end customer product or results

, immediate praise and recognition was the utmost factor.

I can only attribute this to an integrated cast system which may work in India but does not work in America.

My CEO asked me to find the bottom line root cause for poor performance.

My report included quotes from Darwin and specifically adaptation.

If a species cannot adapt to a changing or different environment they are doomed to failure.

Now do not get me wrong. If as an American I was to buy an Indian company that sold to Hindus and ran it on American principals then I would probably fail.

END: You have to adapt to the market you are selling to.

As an add on, I saw Hindu engineers who could quote specifications word for word but had no idea what the intent was.

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