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October Snowfall Record Breaks

10/04/2017 9:06 AM

http://www.wkow.com/story/36517656/2017/10/04/record-breaking-snow-in-montana

as predicted yet another snowfall record going back to 1898 has been broken and it isn't even Winter yet!

sorry carbon fans but this is just the beginning of the Big Chill. put that in your pipe and smoke it

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10/04/2017 9:11 AM

Heck, I drove over snow in the last week of August through the southern part of Wyoming while returning to Salt Lake City once. Not that record setting amount, but enough to be really pesky. I think I was on I-80 west.

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10/04/2017 9:30 AM

Extreme weather events are an indicator of climate change.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/extreme-weather-climate-change.html#.WdThecn6tow

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10/04/2017 10:13 AM

That is clearly your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but I do not see any hard evidence to support this claim, just a panel assigning "likelihood".

I feel it is "likely" these "likelihood" assignments are based on flawed data, out-righted falsified data, and scurrilous intentions from some international committee with an agenda to gain more and more control over places they have no business monkeying with.

Just my opinion. I would not call this science, more like religious reporting or politics.

Seems that extreme weather events are more an indicator of some folks having a propaganda conference than anything else.

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10/04/2017 11:04 AM

I have an opinion about Fredski and the rest of you climate deniers., too.

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10/04/2017 11:44 AM

Who is denying there is climate?

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10/04/2017 11:53 AM

No thanks. You are perfectly capable of making a fool of yourself without my help.

By all means, carry on, and enjoy.

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10/04/2017 10:19 AM

Apparently, some of these "scientists" (I use the term loosely) at the international conference, absolutely cannot count, or their counter trips multiple times per event.

Nicely done, sir!

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10/04/2017 11:51 AM

I suspect the drought conditions in the Southeast are also pretty much alleviated now or getting close, given recent rainfall.

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10/04/2017 11:06 AM

I've lived in the mountains of Montana and Wyoming most of my life.

I can distinctly recall at least three occasions of snow on the Fourth of July. I can also recall several occasions of playing with a new basketball in the driveway (outside) or riding a new bike on a warm and sunny Christmas day. These memories are scattered amongst the last 50 years or so.

Local weather anomalies, all.

In Montana, if you don't like the current weather, just wait about 15 minutes.
In Montana, there are two seasons (not the usual four): Our seasons are called winter, and road construction.

As an aside, Great Falls Montana owns a claim to one of the earliest film documented UFO sightings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_UFO_incident
What shall we make of this? Simply coincidence? Methinks not.

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10/04/2017 1:27 PM

"...winter and road construction". Sounds balmy.

So was the filmed UFO a documented hoax or a true mystery?

Seems a bit sketchy to me, but why would aliens go to Montana, when New Mexico is a known tourist trap for aliens (Roswell)?

Have you ever been for a ride?

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10/04/2017 1:21 PM

Hawaii is a 'single point in time'?

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10/04/2017 1:32 PM

Do try to keep up!

Hawaiian Snow Storm

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10/04/2017 1:37 PM

OK, but that is only on top of a pretty tall mountain, as I recall, so your reference is a cheap shot?

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10/04/2017 3:02 PM

No! Your reply IS a cheap shot! The original post was a cheap shot. Did you read it? Did you notice who posted it?

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10/04/2017 4:06 PM

Hey it is only a cheap shot if no one was looking, or had seen it before.

Surely a smart guy like you could have seen this coming.

I really do not feel up to arguing with you today, brother.

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10/04/2017 4:12 PM

Oh, Lyn, I'm not your enemy, though you seem determined to place me in that role. I have no desire to misunderstand or misrepresent the fundamentals just to 'keep up' with some frantic narrative.

Hawaii is not a 'specific point in time.' Not even a certain snowstorm qualifies as a specific point in time.

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10/04/2017 1:29 PM

But is the world getting heavier every year?

Can you answer that simple question yes?

Is the sun nearing solar minimum - and please don't tell me the sun has nothing to do with weather and the climate.

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10/04/2017 4:22 PM

I realize the question wasn't directed at me, but that hasn't really been an impediment in the past....

I'd say the Earth is losing mass over time. I think as the world's thorium and uranium slim down to lead, their excess, cast to space, exceeds the extra mass of space solids caught in the gravity well, over say, any given recent year long period.

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10/04/2017 4:28 PM

Interesting. Would you say planetary spin therefore increases over time?

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10/04/2017 4:51 PM

No. Mass gains and losses aren't dominant for changes in rotation. The tides are transferring energy to the Moon, widening its orbit and lengthening the Earth's day.

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10/04/2017 4:28 PM

It's about 0.000000000000001% less mass every year.

No wait! Maybe that record snowfall in Montana has made the world heaver?

You'd better ask the OP.

There just HAS to be something in that Texas water that makes you all.......................................different.

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10/04/2017 4:37 PM

I see your tongue protruding from your cheek, old tumbleweed.

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10/04/2017 3:28 PM

It feels warm outside.

The 10 Hottest Years on Record | Climate Central

NOAA and NASA jointly released their global temperature data, making it official: 2015 was the hottest year on record (since 1880). The previous hottest year was 2014, and the last time back-to-back hottest years occurred were 2006-07. In fact, the top 10 hottest years have all happened since 1998.

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10/04/2017 4:12 PM

More like official hogwash. It has not been really hot since the dust bowl, and you of all people (you old tumbleweed), should know it.

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Lyn, just for the record I'm still reserving judgement.

You seem very certain of your understanding though, so let me pick your brain. How much compensation/modeling goes into the decision of which year is hotter than another? I mean, there isn't just one world thermometer, and the thermometers that were around in 1880, if they are still used aren't the only ones in use today.

I'm all for a more accurate picture, but for comparison sake, how do the temperatures measures at just the locations measured all the way back to 1880 compare to recent years?

This isn't a set up. I don't feel like I could be a certain as you seem to be without having a decent understanding of the modeling, such that answering a question like this would be more than just a WAG.

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Remember all the claims that hurricane Maria was the most powerful hurricane ever recorded and that this was due to warming of the seas? It wasn't. Not by size. Not by low pressure. Not by sustained wind. Not by gusts.

Hurricane stats are very simple compared to determining a single world temperature.

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10/04/2017 4:51 PM

...but Maria was by...media. It appears that those with agenda, will stop at nothing to "chicken little" the uninformed public into believing that these days are the worst days.

I say these days are dark, only if people's really bad behavior makes these days dark.

Who wants to live in a world, where one could go to jail for cooking a steak over wood?

Even with all the world's population, the entire mass of humanity, all our goods, our waste, and our fuel does not really compare with the scale of our immense, and immensely generous planet. Farmers in the United States continue to produce more and more on less land with less water than ever before. Life is so easy in 2017 as compared to 1717, 1817, or even 1917.

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10/04/2017 4:58 PM

Please feel free to reserve judgment for the next 100 years, if you choose.

Perhaps we can revisit the issue then.

I believe that the climate scientists who have spent their whole lives learning about, and studying, climates are infinitely more qualified to make those judgments and predictions than I. I can't speak to your qualifications, or lack of.

I don't know who made the claims about Maria, I did not hear such claims. I recall hearing it was somewhere around the 10th most intense hurricane in Atlantic history. Can you give some citations on your hurricane claims?

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If you really missed the hype and do want to understand what was presented, just search youtube for 'most powerful hurricane Maria Irma'. There are numerous hits first for Irma being the most powerful ever and then Maria. These are major news channels. It would be difficult not to stumble on several. Even when it isn't directly in the title, it is what the newscasters repeat.

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10/04/2017 6:20 PM

Thank you Fredski.

Look Lyn, you don't have to besmirch your good internet persona by visiting the likes of Youtube to seach for the broadcasts in question.....just follow Fredski's link above and it is neatly compiled for you already,

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OMG!!! Now I am insulted!

Anthony Watts - SourceWatch

Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1]

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10/05/2017 5:47 AM

Why would linking to major news outlets proclaiming these storms were the strongest on record require university qualification?

What type of degree is required to create a list of links?

Are you really refusing to use the links to verify the point you doubted, merely because whoever runs the page is not a meteorologist?

You do realize that your refusal to look and as well as your claims that anything there is unworthy of review, is a perfect example of the logical fallacy, argumentum ad hominem, regardless of how sincerely you might have felt insulted.

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10/05/2017 10:07 AM

I would add only that, the normal course of communicating in "science speak" is to use as much plain conversational English ( or German, French, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, etc.) to get the point across to the audience, while not diluting the content down so low that colleagues cannot view the data as a reasonable person and draw their own inferences from it, and if the data is worthy, general agreement of what the data is "telling us" results.

Science is not supposed to be "cloak and dagger". Apparently, being a reasonable person reviewing actual publicly available data is insufficient. One has to have chalk in one hand, eraser in the other hand, and erase the actual state of affairs in order to replace it with "corrected" data for this or that mysterious adjustment to the sensor bank to "allow" the "actual" data (which is now the non-actual) to prevail and support the pet theory of the day.

Back when I was in University research (Fundamental Basic Research), this sort of thing was illegal, frowned upon, grounds for dismissal from the program, and possibly a good sound spanking. There are arenas in research where faked results will result in people being killed for no good reason. We called it "pencil titrating".

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That is foolish and you know it!

Did you notice where his funding comes from.

FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Scientists mapping Greenland have produced some surprising - and worrying - results

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Any time I hear the word "leak", I suspect subversive liberal activity.

Sorry, but I am hard-wired that way. Why don't you credit your sources for the information you are so quick to spurt out?

Have you ever vetted your sources? Really? Just because they carry pomp and circumstance, with letters, does not make them bear real authority, any more than you do.

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I should be and probably am the first to point a potential significant mathematics error in putting a trend line on Excel charts (or any other) where year number zero is the intercept. Perhaps MatLab or other programming math language corrects for the time axis in a better way.

Compute the inverse to the trend line for total number of tropical storms per year, and see where it take us: y= 0.0416 x + 6.011 R2 = 0.2274 (extremely poor correlation coefficient usually results to such "linear" trends that extend "off the page", out of range of any data.) x = 0 implies that the trend would be for 6.011 tropical storms in year 0. Is the NHC actually using 1851 as year zero, or did they just encode the years as numbers (and form the trend line with zero year as zero).

x = (y-6.011)/0.0416), in 1851, this line has a y value of ~6, so this implies the x axis is indeed near zero, somehow. I suspect the slope value of the trend line in actual time elapsed since 1851 is not inaccurate, but it makes one want to take a hard look at the chart with a slightly jaundiced eye.

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in the closing days of this past summer I predicted this coming winter we would experience record cold and record snowfalls. all of this was and is based on the output of the sun. we've seen summer/August snow in Northern Calif that closed multiple passes. the Arctic ice is growing at record levels as measured by US satellites. now I posted this thread that broke a record going back to the 1898. I see plenty of evidence of cooling that is unusual. So If we witness rivers and harbors freezing up this Winter that are typically Ice free through Winter you'll know that big ball of fire in the sky is completely responsible not that Idling 57 Chevy

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Well, some of it. I don't watch TV, so it I want the news of what CNN Fox NBC and the other assorted TLAs are preaching to the masses, youtube is the most convenient place to review it all.

So.....are you just going throw out that half assed attempt at deligitimization by association with Youtube....or are you actually going to check what you seemed interested to find out just moments ago?

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Ludricrous! Faked NOAA data clearly matched all the other data on temperature, therefore, the whole lot is fake.

The sealevel chart shows zero at the top of the vertical axis, and 10 at the bottom (in mm), so surely they left off the minus sign on the axis.

I think there are charlatans in the wood work, and they are entrenched where the money is. Follow the money, and you will easily find the worms.

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Since you seem to have drawn your own conclusion and seem to be satisfied with it, perhaps you would be willing to offer your perspective on the following questions I asked about earlier....

"...You seem very certain of your understanding though, so let me pick your brain. How much compensation/modeling goes into the decision of which year is hotter than another? I mean, there isn't just one world thermometer, and the thermometers that were around in 1880, if they are still used aren't the only ones in use today.

I'm all for a more accurate picture, but for comparison sake, how do the temperatures measures at just the locations measured all the way back to 1880 compare to recent years? ..."

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10/05/2017 5:41 PM

You can't be serious! That is the MOST RIDICULOUS thing you have ever posted with a straight face!

If this idiot is all you can come up with, you are surly a quack worshiper!

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American

I give up! You have demonstrated that you can't fix stupid.

Now we can all rest easy, because the truth will now be revealed by your new messiah.

Please carry on with this if it makes you feel good. I would never dispute a "man of science" such as yourself.

Have at it.

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10/05/2017 5:46 PM

truth hurts huh?

in that one room schoolhouse you attended I'm sure they went over the Dustbowl of the 1930's. there are endless resources even a closed mind can reference............I suggest before your next tirade to re educate yourself on the history of the 1930's and the mass migration of the period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave

2016 wasn't close to the hottest the 1930's were far hotter.

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10/05/2017 9:13 PM

I'll lead you to water, but I can't make you drink....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

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10/06/2017 3:13 PM

You would force your brothers head down into that swill?

If this is climate change where I live, I will take the moisture, and say "The devil take Al Gore, and whoever follows him in deception."

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10/06/2017 9:47 PM

Unless you believe that the Earth is just 6,000 years old, instead of 4 billion years old, even you have to admit that these weather events are in no way significant in geologic terms.

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10/10/2017 11:27 AM

There are certain anomalies with radioactive sphere or ring rock dating.

I am not up on the subject enough to make a coherent presentation on it, but you can look it up. Having said this, I find nothing in first two verses of the Holy Bible that contradict the Earth being millions (billions) of years old. Read those first two verses again, very slowly, deliberately, and see what you see.

I am done with this matter. It is cold (43 F) this morning in Lubbock, about normal for Middle October.

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