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Air Pollution and Greenhouse Costs of Oil Transport

10/15/2017 1:02 PM

This is an interesting ditty I ran across the other day.

It the real story of fossil fuel (oil) pollution.

Air Pollution and Greenhouse Costs of Oil Transport

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10/15/2017 1:14 PM

Hey it's all the treehuggers that are against the pipelines....you can't have your cake and eat it too.....

Opposition to pipeline construction

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10/15/2017 1:38 PM

Today's trees are the oil of the far, far, far, far, far, far distant future.

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10/15/2017 2:10 PM

So, what's wrong with being a tree hugger?

Here's what a quiet neighborhood looks like, after the spill.

Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon Mobil and US Secretary of State nominee, [now confirmed] testified that “when these things [oil spills] happen, we are not well-equipped to deal with them.” Over the last 20 years nothing has changed. The industry and even the government has substantially invested in new technologies to drill in deeper water and deeper into the Earth, but little has been invested in safety or oil spill response and clean-up.

The trees will always lose, just like the American Indian.

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10/15/2017 2:43 PM

I've got your cleanup right here....

..."there are 422 trees for every person on Earth."...

..."Each year, some 1.6 billion seedlings are planted in the U.S.--more than 5 new trees a year for each American. The forest industry plants more than 43% of the 1.6 billion seedlings are planted annually in the U.S.; 40% are planted by nonindustrial private landowners; and 16% by government.Jan 11, 2016"...

So not so bad after all....

https://www.bugwood.org/intensive/forest_tree_planting.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/09/02/scientists-discover-that-the-world-contains-dramatically-more-trees-than-previously-thought/?utm_term=.c6d9e924b5a3

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10/15/2017 11:09 PM

Yes, but, the real truth lies here:

"However, in no way do the researchers consider this good news. The study also finds that there are 46 percent fewer trees on Earth than there were before humans started the lengthy, but recently accelerating, process of deforestation."

“Since the spread of human influence, we’ve reduced the number of trees almost by half, which is an astronomical thing.”

"Trees pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere as they grow, and cutting or burning them down releases that carbon again. So that means that deforestation is making global warming worse — and it also means that if we were living on an Earth with close to 6 trillion trees, rather than 3 trillion, climate change would be less severe.

In fact, the paper estimates that humans and other causes, such as wildfires and pest outbreaks, are responsible for the loss of 15.3 billion trees each year — although the authors said at a press conference that perhaps 5 billion of those may grow back each year, so the net loss is more like 10 billion annually."

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10/15/2017 11:29 PM

So the rest of the world needs to catch up with the US and practice sustainable tree farming methods....we can't do everything for everybody without their help...

..."Carbon dioxide is a primary building material for plant tissue and is required to make plants grow fast and strong, so presumably higher levels of CO2 in the air as a result of burning fossil fuels would make forests grow faster. Duke University did a study where they dosed a loblolly pine plantation with elevated levels of CO2.[14] The studies showed that the pines did indeed grow faster and stronger. They were also less prone to damage during ice storms, which is a factor that limits loblolly growth farther north. The forest did relatively better during dry years."...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_farm

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10/16/2017 2:30 PM

Lyn,

As a start, I suggest you go totally paperless, starting with your toilet paper, then fake newspapers, wipe your mouth with your hands, then onto your pants, because we don't want you wasting water, either ....There are more trees in the US now, then there were 100 years ago. Thank you, CO2 ! (Source: Food and Agriculture Organization).

Maybe you could plant a few trees, yourself..? Maybe go to Brazil and lecture THEM, on Forestry, or get a new job fighting those pesky wildfires..or...help with population control..?

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10/16/2017 3:54 PM

You comments are rude and disgusting!

There must be other ways to make your point than stooping to such vulgar things.

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10/16/2017 4:41 PM

What are your solutions? Not problems..Solutions..

Go paperless ? Replant more trees? Wood pellets for biomass fuels in Great Britain? Windmills , whose construction creates more pollution from the production of 250 tons of concrete needed for the base alone, carbon cooking and resins for the blades? Not to mention the towers? I don't think they create those things with solar panels.

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10/16/2017 6:24 PM

And what about all the energy to produce the copper?

A Vesta V80, 1.8 MW, contains an estimated 6,600 - 7,700 pounds of copper!

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10/16/2017 7:15 PM

Yes but the copper windings are recyclable once the generators reach their end of life.

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10/18/2017 6:18 PM

Granted - Cu is one of the most recyclable and recycled metals.

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10/15/2017 4:54 PM

Oh that's heart breaking. Oil just doesn't wash off.

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it keeps the dust down

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10/15/2017 5:34 PM

OT?

I fart in your general direction!

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It was more likely a cough or sneeze. It just seemed like fart because of your heads location at the time.

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This smells suspiciously like burning tires.

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10/16/2017 10:04 AM

I saw no alleged tires, and I say that oil spills are truly a sign of negligence, even the BP incident, mistakes were made before they ever started drilling on that rig.

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10/16/2017 12:41 AM

Geeze Lyn, comparing the loss of several hundred or maybe several thousand trees to the genocide of millions of native American human beings,,

is kinda going way over the top, don't ya think ? Making a statement like that, somebody might think that you don't have much of an education.

Maybe we ought to get a Native American to weigh in on the statement, " The trees will always lose, just like the American Indian " .

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The Seminoles don't seem to be losing.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Tribe_of_Florida

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10/16/2017 9:23 AM

Selling cigarettes and running gambling casinos?

Another tone deaf response!

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10/16/2017 11:52 AM

They are also not on the whiny Libs favorites list because they don't give a sh.. about your politically correct BS.

Before Every home Game.

Can you say Tomahawk Chop anyone?

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"loss of several hundred or maybe several thousand trees" is ridiculous, uninformed and tone deaf!

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10/16/2017 10:01 AM

Apparently, that spill is not in Texas, The Railroad Commission makes the rules here, and they are tighter than your hat band.

We don't tolerate sloppy operations like that in Texas, at least, not for long.

Some older, smaller units might have been given exemptions at some point, but I think those might be some of the highest risk units for spills-less output, less surveillance and maintenance.

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when facts are not available just make some up

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10/16/2017 1:01 PM

I think that is what I was doing, but the scenery looks like no place in Texas.

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10/16/2017 10:18 AM

I suggest that the results would have been the same even in Texas.

This is Mayflower Ark.

The clean-up may have been better, maybe.....................

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No, Arkansas had been infected by various scuz buckets a long time ago. The same rules apply now.

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Andrew is rolling over in his grave knowing his money is being squandered.

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10/16/2017 9:49 AM

All I read is we shall not pollute our oil while we transport it, as we will require it clean when we use it.

Anyone reads it differently?

Then how?

Oh, I read the article. We must be running out of arguments when we have to get this down the line.

Meanwhile we burn more coal so the internet server of globalspec can run hot to discuss the issue.

We should also discuss how much steel we require in the iron ore mines to get what we want etc...

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10/16/2017 10:26 AM

The hits just keep coming.

Pipeline break releases 9,350 barrels of oil in Gulf off Louisiana.

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10/16/2017 11:14 AM

Until crude oil runs into the holes where these goof ball's heads are sticking, they won't really care.

I'm dealing with tailings runoff from a mine upstream from my Arkansas property. Most of the silt/sand/silica slime has settled to the bottom by the time the creek runs through my property.

When the yearly floods come all the crap runs down to the south fork of the Saline river, to the Ouachita and finally ends up at the bottom of some downstream lake.

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10/16/2017 1:05 PM

Did you inherit that property? I hope it is not near Carlisle. The man who highway robbed and murdered by great-grandfather, I show him there practicing medicine and playing in real estate after the Civil War. He snuck back into Texas, and excaped the indictment in Texas on him that was still open. Buried in 1924 in Kerr County.

The cowardly, and greedy Major William J. Alexander, a name that resides in infamy.

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Thank you for the heads-up.

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Glad to be of some use, other than a chair weight.

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You repeatedly insult me and then you ask me a personal question and give me a back handed insult here too?

Can you guess my response, if I were to afford you that courtesy?

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I have never insulted you that you did not return the compliment.

I was just going to say, if that was your great-great-grandfather, I am sorry for you.

I was told (by the highest authority), that I need to forgive that man, because he may have reformed his ways later in his life, and stupid, evil things happen in war, that no man may rightfully explain. I have no quarrel with his descendants.

It is none of my business where your holdings are, sorry if I pressed one of your buttons.

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You are aware that oil seeps are naturally occurring phenomena, and that our extraction of crude from offshore drilling may actually have the effect of curtailing these seeps somewhat....and that the oil really does no harm in the long run...in fact it may be beneficial to the environment...

..."There is effectively an oil spill every day at Coal Oil Point (COP), the natural seeps off Santa Barbara where 20 to 25 tons of oil have leaked from the seafloor each day for the last several hundred thousand years."...

https://www.livescience.com/5422-natural-oil-spills-surprising-amount-seeps-sea.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090513130944.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep

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I have run the Channel out there, for over30 years, in my boat. On top of the oil seepage, there are methane plumes that make anchoring in spots, undoable. The Coastal Geologic maps show the major seepages, from Rincon Point to Pt. Conception. In 1951, an Oil Executive told the City of Santa Barbara that the oil was coming from the subsurface pressure exerted by the shallow field. He also advised them to start and continue pumping that oil to reduce the pressure.., thereby relieving the pressure on the seeps. When met with derision, he calmly explained that it wasn't his fault that the city decided to keep building infrastructure on top of an Oil field. Now they are tearing down the Derricks. They are also going to refuse a rebuild permit for the last LNG plant on the coast and are proposing to go "All Green" for electricity generation, for the area from Port Huenueme, Ventura, to Santa Barbara, even tho they do not have ANY plans on how to do it. Elon Musk and Tom Steyer have been lobbying the rubber stamp, Jerry Brown, addled politicians down here.

My thought is that Musk is trying to generate business for First Solar and his battery plant business, as they will remove the only back up power generation we have, the La Puente plant. Where are they even going to find the space for all the panels and windmills ? Off shore Santa Barbara? Something tells me Oprah woun't like looking at those monstrocities. These two men will end up running all of the Energy policy in California, if they don't get stopped. We are now an oil starved, Green Sanctuary State.

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10/16/2017 1:03 PM

Are you referring the rig fire out in Lake Ponchatrain this morning?

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What?! No, this one is about 40 miles offshore from Venice, LA. Now researching rig fire in the lake....

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10/20/2017 2:31 PM

We need more of this.

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You gotta be kidding me! Tell me there really is no such product as that!

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10/21/2017 1:08 PM

You never heard of it?! It's Druidia's biggest export. (see 'Spaceballs')

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10/30/2017 9:40 AM

I should think that gulping that canned air, could cause belching, so very unhealthy.

It might lead to flatulence as well.

Of course, that might increase sales.

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10/23/2017 2:53 PM

Yea, someone also posted about a unicorn fart in a bag product a while ago on CR4. Nice pink packaging and artwork all over it, and yes its just a compressed air bagging machine bag with really nice artwork, nothing more.

Really the same thing here, just a marketing gimmick to make people smile, not to be taken seriously.

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