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Amazon Key ... Good Idea?

10/27/2017 6:49 AM

Good idea? What do others think?

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10/27/2017 7:17 AM

Hay you, with the empty van backed up to my home, COME ON IN.

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10/27/2017 7:19 AM

Not just No, but H3LL NO.

If I lived in an area where I worried about packages being stolen from my front porch, I'd get a mailbox at the UPS Store that has a physical street address. I've used them in the past, and they are very convenient and aren't expensive.

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10/27/2017 7:26 AM

I think Amazon has the right idea.

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10/27/2017 7:45 AM

No way.

Too many things can go wrong with this Idea. The added liability of having God knows who, to have access to your front door, is a scary thought. What if you have a pet? Delivery person gets bit or scratched? Or accidently lets your pet out?

I just think this is a bad idea.

I just have all my Amazon packages delivered to work. I don't have to worry about them being left on my deck, nor do I have to go anywhere to pick them up. Easy, safe, secure.

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10/27/2017 9:21 AM

There may be a scenario where this is a good idea but I cannot think of a single one. A secured lock box outside for the few individuals or businesses that might need this service sounds like a much better idea.

My problem with doorstep deliveries is my doorbell works but the deliverers don't use it.

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10/27/2017 4:51 PM

I had that but a little sign "RING BELL" (with an arrow pointing to the bell push) seems to have done the trick.
If you live in a tough area, it may even need a smiley face on it

Meanwhile, back at the original question:-
What as F*£&ing stupid idea....! I'm sure most van drivers are of the highest moral stan....... oh forget it.
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10/27/2017 9:46 AM

No way! I'm home most of the time anyway.

But, when Amazon begins delivering your prescription drugs to your door, this service may become more popular.

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10/27/2017 10:37 AM

I get my medications from Express Scripts via mail, but I have a locking mailbox so no worries there.

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10/27/2017 11:11 AM

So you do.

But, your health care provider contracts with the lowest bidder for those services. Usually once every year, or two. That could change at any time.

The market is contracting. CVS just bought Aetna insurance. Amazon just bought Whole Foods. Amazon will go where the the profits lead them. I doubt I'll ever be taking less medicine than I do today. Maybe you, too. More of our disposable income will go for drugs, especially after the new administration guts the present program and kicks millions of payers off the present system and puts them back in the ER. Trust me, we will all be paying more, not less, for drugs in the future. $$$$

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10/27/2017 11:49 AM

I would not doubt that, as of right now my out of pocket expense for the 8 medications I take daily is $0.00. Can't pay any less than that.

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10/27/2017 12:24 PM

Somebody, somewhere is paying for it.

Sometimes, the drug companies discount, or even give free of charge their drugs to certain people.

Sometimes it's the group purchasing power of your insurer and sometimes it's the healthy members of your group that pick up the slack with their premiums.

Due to the artificial instability caused by we-know-who refusing to honor an existing agreement, instead of phasing it out, the price of health care has already begun to rise unnecessarily.

It doesn't seem there's any place for gentle nudging of markets in another direction, there's only decapitation and chaos. No effort was made in the last eight years at any course corrections.

Gee, do you suppose the real problem could be the astronomical prices big pharma demands for all these new drugs? They spend a ton more money on marketing drugs (and bribing Congress) than developing new drugs. How much profit do they really need to be viable?

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10/27/2017 11:22 AM

I think this is a good idea for some situations....Allows verification of delivery by both parties...Handy for having repairmen or others including emergency services, gain access without the hassle of key or your presence necessary...A lot of people already have comparable systems like this installed...in some cases it's a lifesaver...People that are afraid somebody is going to hack into their homes don't understand how the system works, I mean do you think a thief wants to notify you that they are breaking into your house....and then leave photographic evidence of the crime? It would be a lot easier and safer to just go around the back and force a window wouldn't it?

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10/28/2017 8:34 PM

The man in the photo is using a "master key", and just because he's wearing a mask doesn't mean he's the Lone Ranger or Batman!

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10/30/2017 12:19 PM

So then you install the security camera where it records all access from the back side of the house as well as the front, and sides.

I still think click-clack works well as a deterrent, and also the sign on the fence that informs passersby that they might be taking their lives into their own hands by trespassing.

This could be presented as a means of reducing (eventually) the number of Darwin Award recipients per year.

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10/31/2017 1:14 PM

However, one of the factors for earning a Darwin Award is Excellence (aka Astoundingly Stupid Judgement). Foolish but common activities, like smoking in bed, are excluded from consideration.

So, trespassing on the property of a shotgun owner would not qualify. Now, if this were the 50th person trespassing, walking on the mound of the 49 others who got shotgunned before him that morning, who he SAW get shotgunned right before his eyes, and claiming "If I'm not touching the ground it's technically not trespassing," THAT might count as astoundingly stupid judgement. maybe.

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10/31/2017 1:25 PM

It all comes back to the little sign on the front inner fence gate (yes it is a nested iron works fence). Unless you are delivering a package, are law enforcement, or have a giant cardboard check with her name on it (notice I said her name, not mine), then you ain't getting in...unless you have an appointment, relatives included, some relatives especially.

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10/31/2017 1:35 PM

I'm not saying they're not foolish, but Darwin awards tend to be the type of foolishness that would not feel out of place if preceded by the phrase "Hold my beer and watch THIS."

Trespassing into shotgun range is simply too common and ordinary. Now if they trespassed into an animal pen for an impromptu night of bull riding, and ended up trampled to death, THAT would seem like a Darwin Award candidate...

...especially if they got trampled to death in a sheep pen. (Now THERE'S your astoundingly bad judgement.)

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10/31/2017 1:41 PM

You really have to watch out for those sheep.

Bulls not so much. I had a sheep rancher tell me that sheep are the only animal on earth that in southwest Texas seem to look for a place to fall over on their back, and cannot get up. A sheepherder spends as much time righting fallen sheep, as searching for lost sheep. He never has to count sheep at night.

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10/27/2017 1:02 PM

This appears to be a perfect hacker target.

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10/27/2017 1:52 PM

My doors are unlocked, the UPS and FEDEX and US Mail service all come into the "mud room, or garage, and leave packages. When I order through AMAZON I get a notice when it ships, when it will be delivered and after it's delivered. They can see and hear the dogs making a racket when they come. I don't think any of them would dare step into the house itself.

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10/30/2017 6:52 PM

That's funny. A former college roommate of mine moved to Bar Mills, Maine many years ago, and when he closed on the house they bought, he asked for the keys.

The owners didn't have any. Nobody in the town ever locked their house. Ever. Everyone knows everyone else, and knows whether they are across town or across the country on vacation.

Makes you long "for the good old days."

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10/30/2017 7:31 PM

Those days are alive and well in smalltown USA.

When we go the the "little house", 50 miles from one of Laura Ingals Wilders' houses in Walnut Grove in SW Minn, so maned by my wife, we never lock the doors until we leave. Population, 650.

The neighbors all have keys to the house and barn just in case and everybody knows everybody else and their business.

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10/31/2017 1:24 PM

"The neighbors all have keys to the house and barn just in case and everybody knows everybody else and their business."

And there's the fly in the ointment. what if somebody disapproves of somebody else's business? After all, what two consenting adults choose to do in their own bedroom(1) is just between them and whatever clergy they choose to confess/brag to. Just because Nosey Parker next door soesn't like to think of those sort of things being shoved into that sort of opening doesn't make it something that needs to be spread around town(2).

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  1. Or hay loft, or coffee table(3), I'm not here to judge.
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  3. When the guests aren't around, and when the curtains are drawn, of course.
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10/31/2017 1:38 PM

That entire comment is bordering on being toxic just from the innuendo.

Maybe it is not what is seen going on, but more the crescendo of audible symphony (or cacophony) that is so "stimulating" to the neighbors, or they just have suggestible minds.

As to my neighbors, it is not so much the noise, it is the smell of burning rubber I object to.

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10/31/2017 1:59 PM

I apologize if I took the mental imagery too far. Today at work I have been spending way too much time solving "friendship problems" and I think I ended up venting my spleen creatively in the wrong direction. I'm an Engineer, I barely understand/have my own emotions, why am I the one having to sooth over other people's emotions? That job should fall to HR, or purple ponies.

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10/31/2017 2:08 PM

I'm afraid I don't follow your line of reasoning here, and don't think I'd agree with it even if it was clearer.

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10/31/2017 2:15 PM

He has just admitted to a venting of spleen, so emotionally not at his peak. You and I both probably can identify with not wanting to assuage the emotions of co-workers.

Fortunately, most everyone else I work with is professional in their behavior, it is just me I need to watch out for.

I hope it is warmer in Arizona (if you are there today), than it is in Texas. Nasty, drizzly, windy morning today, but clearing off now.

Wifey was pretty sick last week in hospital, and I don't see her being totally out of the woods now, enough though she is home, resting.

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10/31/2017 8:03 PM

All the best to the wifey!

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11/02/2017 9:10 AM

Thanks, Casper71. Hopefully, she begins an upward trajectory (health-wise) now, and comes back to enjoying life better.

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What I was saying, in an overly-graphic way, was that us city-folk value privacy. When you bring people together past a certain population density and keep them there, everyone starts to go just a little crazy, and we find ways to deal with the craziness. Let's say, for example, that we all would deal with the stress of city life by wandering around in our own houses in bathrobes. It's nobody's business but our own what color the bathrobe is, and we respect each other's privacy by not asking about someone else's bathrobe. In rural areas you have physical distance between people, in the cities, we substitute emotional distance for physical.

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10/31/2017 4:47 PM

Yeah, but that physical distance is offset by hospitality, and neighbors helping neighbors in the country, (and in certain cities).

I found a bit of both in big cities, (even NYC), and way out in the sticks. There are some folks out in the sticks you really don't want to know, just as there are in the city.

You can call me Hillbilly, or Cavbilly, I don't care (my great-grandfather was in the 30th Texas Cavalry during the war of northern aggression (Civil War to you).

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10/27/2017 2:07 PM

It can be a good idea in some situations, but like anything, things can go wrong. I am fortunate like many others that I live in a rural area and 1/4 mile off the road plus there is always someone at home.

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10/27/2017 2:52 PM

Next... Amazon will be asking for burglar alarm dis-arm codes. Nope...

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10/27/2017 4:38 PM

AMAZON KEY = hackers "key" to property theft by internet spying.

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10/28/2017 3:57 AM

I know of no reason that Amazon would deserve such trust--and a number of reasons otherwise. Those who have followed Amazon Discussions to a significant extent may know about the corruption there.

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10/28/2017 11:14 AM

The idea itself is a good one. However, the application is tricky. You don't have to permit access to your whole house/property/assets.

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10/28/2017 10:19 PM

Wow !

What a wonderful idea, now after the delivery person drops off the package, I can say he left the door open,

then I can make a claim for a stolen package.

I get a refund & I get to keep the stuff.

This is almost we good as the legal robbery politicians get away with.

I think I will have Amazon send me q box of uranium right now.

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10/28/2017 10:38 PM

I don't think you'd get away with it. If you try it, smile!

The site says:

  • Secure access. The In-Home Kit features the Amazon Cloud Cam (Key Edition) indoor security camera and an Amazon Key-compatible smart lock.
  • Real-time notifications. We’ll send notifications the morning of delivery, just before, and right after. Watch your delivery happening live or view a video clip of it later.
  • Stop making spare keys. Give family and friends temporary, recurring, or permanent access. Or provide one-time access for your electrician or dog walker. You’re in control—just schedule the date and time window.
  • Check in on your front door 24/7. The Amazon Key In-Home Kit includes an Amazon Cloud Cam (Key Edition) indoor security camera with 1080p Full HD, night vision, and more—plus an Amazon Key-compatible smart lock for secure access control.
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10/28/2017 11:04 PM

Hackers love a good challenge.

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10/29/2017 3:28 PM

No. Far to easy to abuse, creates more problems than it solves.

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10/30/2017 11:36 AM

Yeah, this seems like a bit much. I'm ok with them having a key to a lockbox outside my house, but I'm not interested in letting them enter my house.

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Re: Amazon Key ... Good Idea?

10/30/2017 12:04 PM

Now that Amazon has purchased Whole Foods, will they next want to stock our refrigerators for us?

Will we need to leave a cold one for the delivery person?

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Re: Amazon Key ... Good Idea?

10/30/2017 12:14 PM

That is OK with me, if the UPS drivers are comfortable with my wife making that famous click-clack sound on the shotgun...

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