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Would it be Possible to Train Cetaceans to Help Look for "Lost" Equipment?

11/22/2017 7:52 AM

I'm thinking about flight MH370, and, the Argentine submarine currently lost in the South Atlantic.

Cetaceans are very intelligent and can communicate over huge distances, so, I'm speculating that it might be possible for a few trained animals to just ask: "Hey you guys, seen anything odd in the last couple of days?"

We use dogs on land to help with search and rescue etc. Why not dolphins in the seas?

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11/22/2017 8:04 AM

A U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program dolphin named KDog, wearing a locating pinger, performed mine clearance work in the Persian Gulf during the Iraq War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dolphin

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11/22/2017 12:02 PM

Gotta love that. Flipper got promoted.

I think we can train the ones that we have "captive", but what happens when released to the wild population? Do they come back every time they want a special snack?

Will they really go out there in others pods, and teach the others to find debris? Will they play "hand-off" with the debris? How would a wild dolphin know how to find the drop off location (for SEAUPS) and get a special treat?

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11/22/2017 9:22 AM

Yes we should contact Dr Dolittle right away....

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11/22/2017 12:05 PM

Loose translation: will you goof-ball humans stop getting lost under here, let me show you where she is, and I will return her for a special snack!!

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11/22/2017 10:55 AM

Old Cetacean, "Hey you guys, seen anything odd in the last couple of days?"

Juvenile Cetacean, "Oh, dude! I saw a chick with the biggest set of flippers I've ever seen, just yesterday."

................................................................I guess that's in poor taste, considering the current scandals?

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11/22/2017 11:58 AM

Eeeeeeeiiikkyeyyyeyyeyeyey

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11/22/2017 12:07 PM

That is more scary than clowns.

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11/22/2017 12:06 PM

So flippers might turn them over and such, but I did not know flippers turned them on.

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11/22/2017 11:55 AM

There's evidence that cetaceans have comparable intelligence to humans. True, they don't build machines, but perhaps that's our bias. They live in the water and maybe have all they need or want.

We occupy the same planet, yet we cannot communicate with them. I think that speaks to the futility of establishing communications with extraterrestrial species over some kind of "radio link".

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11/22/2017 12:08 PM

Are you sure we cannot communicate with them. I used to speak "flipponese".

I talk to my dogs, and they only understand me better than my wife, but none of them will fetch a wrench or a screwdriver, or a vodka martini or beer as directed.

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11/22/2017 12:15 PM

Maybe we could make smart sharks, like they did in "Deep Blue Sea"...?

What could go wrong?

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11/22/2017 12:21 PM

I see real problems being chewed on at the UPS drop-off.

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11/22/2017 7:54 PM

Dolphins aren't the only cetaceans in the sea. I did a bit of searching on research related to what humans have done to communicate with whales, but didn't find any evidence.

That may be another avenue of research.

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11/23/2017 5:33 PM

You can't see this and not realize they are intelligent!

"Cetaceans, such as beluga whales, dolphins and humpback whales, blow bubble rings. Dolphins sometimes engage in complex play behaviours, creating bubble rings on purpose, seemingly for amusement.[13] There are two main methods of bubble ring production: rapid puffing of a burst of air into the water and allowing it to rise to the surface, forming a ring; or creating a toroidal vortex with their flukes and injecting a bubble into the helical vortex currents thus formed. The dolphin will often then examine its creation visually and with sonar. They will sometimes play with the bubbles, distorting the bubble rings, breaking smaller bubble rings off of the original or splitting the original ring into two separate rings using their beak. They also appear to enjoy biting the vortex-rings they've created, so that they burst into many separate normal bubbles and then rise quickly to the surface. Dolphins also have the ability to form bubble rings with their flukes by using the reservoir of air at the surface.[14] "

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Beluga whales blowing bubble rings

The bubble ring travels in the same direction its innermost side rotates

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11/23/2017 8:57 PM

The dolphin blowing the bubble could be a caption this entry.....You can see after he blows the ring bubble that he says something to his companion who then says something back and then he bites it....it's like he's showing off or something....very human like behavior....

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11/24/2017 5:43 AM

Thanks to everyone who joined in.

I went to one of those dolphin shows at Loro park in Tenerife a couple of years ago. Some of the things they had trained the dolphins to do were unbelievable, both: from the point of view unbelievable physical skill (and strength), and, because of the difficulty of getting them to understand what was required.

I also heard a story recently about training a dolphin to wear a hat (for a commercial or something). It took several hours teaching the "top" dolphin, but, when the others were reintroduced to the training pool they could all do it straight away. Clearly this was not a trick which required a lot of physical skill; it was as if the one trained just said communicated to the others "They just want us to put this stupid thing on our head for a while; I have no idea why, but, anything to humour them huh?"

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