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11/25/2017 3:57 PM

I have been on this forum for many years now and my biggest problem has been trying to decipher the language used. I'm not speaking of the language spoken by our foreign members, but of the English speaking members. Aside from misspellings, which are excusable when the wrong key is struck, the structure of sentences can be so jumbled that it becomes difficult to comprehend what the write is trying to express. This is especially noticeable when it is a college educated person trying to ask a question or receive advice. There doesn't appear to have any solution other than to go back to school. It would be nice if English speaking people could express themselves in a way that everyone could understand. It's not only on forums like this one where language is poorly used. I can find it in newspapers, on TV and in government documents. Correct language is very important as that is how we communicate with each other. I'm here criticizing others and I know my English is not perfect, but I try to make myself understood the best I can. If I can't spell a word, I look it up. Please don't take this personal. Please try to keep the English language the world's great language it is.

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Europe has dialects and so do the "English-speaking" countries.

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A dialect is one thing. Poor sentence structure is something else that an English speaking person should know. I learned it in school 70+ years ago. I guess they don't teach English in school anymore. English has become a bastardized language. Good language skills are a sign of good education. Some of us take pride in our language. Poor language reflects poor upbringing. Those who speak and their every other word is f**k this and f**k that is a good example of poor education. People who talk like that set a poor example to younger people.My brother-in-law, age 56 talks like that and around my younger family members. I called him out on that this Thanksgiving and he got mad at me and stormed out of the house and went home trailing epitaphs behind him. There needs to be a standard of reasonable and appropriate language. Am I the only one who adheres to this? Sorry for the rant.

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11/25/2017 10:12 PM

Vulgarity is an issue on it's own. Saying "h-e-double toothpicks" was the way we said "hell" when I was a kid. All other words were off limits.

It sounds like your b.i.l. is a little too progressive.

Sorry he didn't take your cue to curtail the verbal acne. "Everyone knows and hears all the words all the time on TV!?" I'll bet he said that.

..if that's his argument.. look out. Because TV's got more than swear words these days.

..I come from a family with plenty of truckers and a touch of southern pride. Colorful, but not like a truck stop or boat yard.

Age, education and upbringing can yield results that may vary.

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11/25/2017 11:24 PM

Ronseto: I worked at a foundry several years ago, not for them but in their facility, and even the females used the f-word as a universal adjective. Yep, language skills are not so hot! I spot lots of language problems; among them is the "misplaced only," and the use of an apostrophe to form plurals. Not to mention the shortened spellings that come from texting. A universal command for all of us is to read your stuff--spell check can't catch it all.

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Epitaphs ≠ epithets.

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You beat me to it! It made me smile, I'm still trying to picture what "trailing epitaphs behind him" would have been like.

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Lots of gravestones all in a row, since an epitaph is generally considered to be the inscription written on a tombstone.

I work with language every day since I do technical translation. I make errors, like nearly everyone else. Some writers are very good. Most people do not know how to write English because English is very complicated. Writing simple declarative sentences that have meaning is one of the most challenging tasks that anyone who has to write for a living faces. It has become clear to me that it is much easier to criticise the weaknesses and faults of others than to look at our own. This is an engineering forum, which has helped me on many occasions to understand how to phrase certain ideas in technical terms. I am not an engineer. However, it is my job to make an engineering translation appear as if it had been written in English, rather than as translation. Most folks who write to this forum are, lately, non-native speakers and it is easy to discern if you know the language. They need no excuses. Their writing in a foreign language to obtain information on complicated topics is already commendable. Folks who speak, read and write in English and who criticise their peers for their language and not the content are just blowing steam. I try to read this forum daily because it is amusing. This is besides the fact that I can learn from it. Have a great holiday season to all of you.

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Their writing in a foreign language to obtain.......

I'm surprised no one picked you up on this faux pas. Particularly given your job. Or should that be you're job .

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"Their writing in a foreign language to obtain information on complicated topics is already commendable."

I don't believe that was/is a faux pas!

As I read it, the subject of the sentence is all of this: (Their writing in a foreign language to obtain information on complicated topics). The rest of the sentence fine.

There are other wordings that might be preferable in one way or another, such as:

"Their taking the trouble to write in a foreign language to obtain information on complicated topics is already commendable."

or, to use the word(s) I suspect you thought of:

"They're writing in a foreign language to obtain information on complicated topics, and that by itself is already commendable."

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Agreed.

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You're seeing the word "writing" as a noun. I can now see this as well. I originally saw it as a verb. Perhaps substituting the word "prose" for writing would be better. As in "Their prose is in a language foreign to them....."

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If they would put their posts into verse that would be really something!

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The big problem's TLAs or acronyms.

They're much worse than the other sins.

If you can't be bothered to write it all out.

At the end of the day you'll still be in doubt.

And the thread will languish like other CRIMs.

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Doesn't scan too well, but amusing .

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Thanks! I definitely miss MASU!

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Strongly agree! The first time a TLA(three letter acronym) is used it should be defined as different fields use the same TLA for wildly different things.

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True, but for ALL acronyms, not just those with three letters.

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Correct. To add a note: A gerund is a word in the form of a present participle verb, but used as a noun; e.g., "The Taming of the Shrew."

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11/30/2017 10:48 PM

Proper usage.

Read the whole sentence.

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Alternate usage. See my post #38. Using the word writing as a noun is possibly more commonplace in the U.S. I would perhaps talk about a person's 'writings' but i have never talked about a person's writing except to refer to the style, e.g. his writing looks like a cockroach dipped its legs in ink and crawled across the page. Otherwise i would refer to his article, pamphlet, opus, book, essay, or, as in this case, his post.

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I guess it is like a millstone round the neck - only this time it is a gravestone!

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And another thought - it shouldn't be epitaphs or epithets, but expletives.

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I don't know about others, but I agree with you; I tend to view the language errors, etc. as indications of their upbringing and lack of education. 70 years ago even the uneducated masses spoke a gentler form of English.

Hopefully though it's just laziness on their part [but I doubt it]

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How about spoken English? One of my pet hates is the use of haitch for aitch. Even those who aren't too particular about sounding their aitches - 'orse, 'ouse, 'ope etc, often manage to say haitch. Does this happen states-side?

I used to work in water treatment where pH came up a great deal. It made me wince seeing the effort some colleagues put into saying pee-haitch!

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When I worked in Waste Water Treatment it was a common standard to say pH as the 2 letters sound and everyone knew what was being discussed without question.

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indeed. Every area of engineering and many other occupations do have their own abbreviations or terminology. Unfortunately,, those not in any said field may be left wondering. Any else one out there know what "dunnage" is? If you do, I know what field you are working in. Even when you wiki or goggle the word, it does not come up with what I would classify it as. You will get a few hits on google but wiki is rather weak on it.

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My use of "dunnage" is dimensional lumber used in the shipping and trucking industry! I know there are dozens if not hundreds of words that have slipped into obscurity unless you're in one of the industries that still use that particular word!

Here is from Merriam Webster

Definition of dunnage

1: loose materials used to support and protect cargo in a ship's hold; also : padding in a shipping container 2: baggage

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That is exactly what I expected someone to find. In my case, something totally different adopted by automotive industry, various types of plastic parts used for holding class A parts from stamping/welding to assembly.

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I used to buy Styrofoam beads. They were shipped in gaylords.

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Are those the cardboard barrels?

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We got ours in very large corrugated cardboard boxes. Maybe 3x3x3. Some with pallets attached for handling.

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Standard gaylords are 45" X 48" x 48" tall, attached to a wood pallet.

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Except those that are 48 x 40 x 36" Double Wall Gaylord Box with Lid, and

48" x 48" x 48" Triple Wall Gaylord Cartons.

I never realized that there was a "standard" size.

  • Gaylord (container), a genericized term for a bulk box, with a pallet for the base, and corrugated cardboard for the walls
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And the same abbreviations or acronyms can mean very different things to those in different fields.

For example, PVC means one thing to medical personnel, and something very different to chemists.

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But did they say pee-aitch (correct) or pee-haitch (wrong and harder to say, that's why I winced, out of sympathy!)? Either way I could tell what was meant OK, that wasn't the problem.

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I thought he meant that they said fff, as in fffoto or fffarmacy.

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That crossed my mind but it seemed a bit odd. They would say "The fff of this sample is 7.5"? Perhaps OMac will enlighten us.

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Not sure about "haitch" being wrong.

I would say that it is a common issue in Australia and the haitch pronunciation was taught in the Catholic schools.

Coming from New Zealand, where the Catholic influence is a lot less, we used to find it really grating. I'm over it now.

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That's something else Catholics have to answer for .

Many years ago at uni I had an Ozzie lecturer who never sounded his aitches, except to say haitch.

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It is good to rant every now and then. I understand where you are coming from on this issue. Agreed that English as a "second language" people may have some difficulty, but, those with English as their "mother" tongue, another story. There are times when I wince while reading a post, and sometimes I even get a good chuckle. While my education isn't quite as old as yours, the English language and composition were a part of it, a part which was, and still is, very important. If one cannot express themselves correctly, shame on them. Take a little time to learn.

As for the "teaching" these days, go to the thread on cursive, "new math" or any other of similar kin.

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11/27/2017 10:52 AM

"If one cannot express oneself correctly"

OR

"If they cannot express themselves correctly"

Shame on you

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Looks like I may be succumbing to modern day English, you know, the bastardized version.

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I thought Americans usually said "If one cannot express himself correctly", perhaps somebody will comment.

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Just trying to be "politically" correct, leaving all genders out.

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Just trying to be "politically" correct,

maybe that's an issue all by itself.

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Ah, yes, didn't think of that.

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You can take a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead.

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Oh, yeah. Animals have trouble communicating. At least this one is getting somewhere.

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Ask that feline if it saw anything weird the last couple of days?

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He's blogging about the 'potential of hydrogen' of cat drinking water and it's effect on hair sheen....fluff piece...

Professor VonDykitty will be giving a lecture at Kathouse Hall tues. on the Vegan cat diet and the effect on mouse populations....

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Its, not it's.

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Try not to crittersize this cat when it has a longbow in it's paws. Those plaques on it's collar may indicate the number of kills it has achieved.

English is a language that lends itself to being played with.

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it's ≠ its.

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A lot of the 'credit' goes to the various varieties of 'texting' with character limits and thumb typing.

https://www.lettercount.com/

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11/25/2017 6:50 PM

Yes it becomes difficult understanding what the write is trying to express.

.. I've had no prob understand anything from anyone. Either I'm gifted, grateful, or the source of all problems.

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11/25/2017 10:29 PM

"it becomes difficult to comprehend what the write is trying to express.". Does the phrase, "Physician heal thyself" mean anything to you?

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11/25/2017 10:32 PM

"There doesn't appear to have any solution other than to go back to school".

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11/25/2017 11:44 PM

DUDE !

It's all bitchin'... Surfs up, pants down, and bottles lookin' at the sky ...

What's not to like???

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11/28/2017 12:20 PM

So pitted....

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11/25/2017 11:45 PM

I definitely agree with your concept, but did you read your own text after pressing the "Preview" button? (eg. 'write' instead of 'writer', '...have a solution...'. instead of '...be a solution...')

I'm such a terrible typist that I must read the preview, commonly returning to correct errors, and frequently going back to clarify a point or two. This time I only had to back to add the close parenthesis...

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11/30/2017 9:18 AM

Much the same as me. I type and check. I can spell but with double vision I see two lots of keyboard and hands - displaced by about 1/4" - and so easy to misskey and make typing errors - and equally easy to miss them on screen when reading what I have written - or more correctly I think my brain 'reads' what I thought I had written and not the words actually on screen.

I use the spell checker at the end of the letter and go back to correct the spelling errors - which sometimes (having lost the train of thought) inadvertently get replaced by one of the wrong grammar. That only become obvious when published.

Typos or not, I try to write good English, such as I use 'do not' instead of 'don't', but on less formal occasions such as this chat room it sometimes comes over a bit more chatty if I don't use 'do not'.

My biggest problem is 'tampering' with what I have written. Quite often I end up rearranging sentences to present my thoughts in a more logical sequence to get my message across to the reader, as well as using the correct words (hint), spelling and grammar. The prime purpose of the letter.

Changing everything is something I could never do in the old days of the typewriter - and reading copies of old letters it seems I didn't need to change anything.

It's a habit I wish I could leave it well alone.

Oh yes! and on completion, and picking up errors on 'preview', it is so easy to hit the 'submit' key by mistake.

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11/30/2017 10:07 AM

I just have to comment about contractions. In speech, it's easy to miss the n't. A lot of times, the n't is so subtle that it gets missed. But in writing, it's easier to notice it. So usually, I use the word "not" instead of contractions when it's important to not miss it, or when contrasting it with something else (to emphasize the contrast).

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11/30/2017 10:37 AM

Dennis R. Levesque, in Afrikaans they make sure that you get the message, I will not talk to you is translated as "Ek sal nie met jou praat nie" with the clasic double "not". I will not with you talk not. And worst of all we have no tenses and everybody "is" no am, are, is. Translation becomes a major action. Best is to be proficiant enough to think and write in English, and that is a tall order.

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11/30/2017 11:02 AM

It's in these cases where grammar and punctuation become critical, especially in technical work. "I will not with you talk not" is a double negative (positive). The only way to ensure proper interpretation, is to either insert a comma (...with you talk, not), a period (...with you talk. Not). or a another complete sentence (I will not with you talk. No I will not). If the language itself is inadequate, then maybe the language itself needs to evolve. If sentence construction is inadequate, then maybe it just won't work as-is (regardless of what language it is).

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11/30/2017 12:08 PM

While a double negative is indeed normally considered a positive in English (following mathematical logic), that is NOT the case in many other languages.

For example, in Spanish, "No necesito nada." is a standard way of saying the equivalent of "I don't need anything.". The literal translation is closer to "I don't need nothing."

To a person whose only language is Engish, and especially to one trained in mathematical logic, if you don't need nothing, then you do need something. Many other languages do NOT follow that logic.

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11/26/2017 12:12 AM

its all double dutch to me!!

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11/26/2017 1:54 AM

There doesn't appear to be any solution. have/be

Please don't take this personally. personal/personally

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Rosento, all the contributors that write here in English are not First language English speakers and there is no way for you to know when they are and when they are not. Technically your judgement is wrong because it stand on a false perception. It is my 3rd language. This site is not an English test but an Engineering community that communicate in the English language as the most common means of communication to accomodate a broader segment of the world population.

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11/30/2017 5:40 PM

My gripe is not with the person who's first language is not English, but with the person who's first language is English.

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11/26/2017 10:22 AM

After working with people from Asia, Australia, and Europe, I like to know first where they are writing from, then their position in the company.

After knowing this information, I can put in my "translation" software in my brain and fill in words that are missing, misspelled, and grammar errors. Helps to keep an open mind, and realized that not all people are taught "standard" English, and are also thinking in their native tongue first, then translating it into English.

As for the native people who use profanity as punctuation, we had a man in our army barracks who used it as an accent. We tape recorded him and played it back to him, he didn't realize how often he punctuated his speech. He was fairly intelligent, and worked hard to remove the offensive words as he talked. Too many men and women think that profanity indicates maturity these days.

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11/26/2017 10:23 AM

It's simply part evolution and part laziness.

Profanity is the crutch of a conversational cripple.

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11/26/2017 10:30 AM

English is the language I learned from birth but never got higher than "C" grades. The one year of Spanish I took in high school was the only class I failed to complete, always had problems with spelling in both languages. My skills lend far more towards the "visual". I can see things in my mind far better than my ability to verbalize what I'm seeing to others. While I'm not an engineer by education, I enjoyed many an opportunity in my past working years collaborating with engineering. The fun part was I could look at mechanical drawings and see not what was on the document but what the engineer intended. This led to interesting gatherings on the manufacturing floor with the engineers and drafters sorting out what was wrong, often drawings that were drawn wrong.

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11/26/2017 11:08 AM

I can "see" how an automotive differential works in my mind, but explaining how it works to someone else would be difficult.

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Without some form of illustration, it would be nearly impossible, and would take an awful lot of words.

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Or the ability to read minds.

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11/26/2017 6:00 PM

I had fun with engineers approaching to ask questions. Often I would answer the question before it was asked. My followup was, Yes, I read minds. I also read mindless which around here is much more useful"!

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11/26/2017 2:19 PM

Imagine you have a horse and buggy..

but without the horse.

Instead you have a buggy with a curiously driven central drive shaft that must somehow turn individually mounted and spoked rear wheels.

what's next?

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"Curiously driven?" In other words, "a miracle happens" and the wheels go round.

Explain how a single drive shaft can turn two wheels at once, as if they are mechanically locked, and yet allow disengagement when turning corners so one doesn't drag and, more importantly, explain how these seeming connected wheels can accommodate two different sized tires or allow one tire to remain totally stationary while the other tire spins in the mud.

Next, we'll delve into limited slip and full locking rear ends.

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11/26/2017 3:53 PM

....at the end of the drive shaft there is a small wheel with protruding spokes around the perimeter. ... mmm?

I saw it posted here not long ago..

Details are sketchy

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11/26/2017 1:15 PM

When one is frustrated, one tends to just blurt out information, and the information can come out in pieces and parts over several posts, this is very common and I believe it is just the nature of the beast, so to speak....Frustration tends to limit the normal amount of patience one would take in composing a communication....I feel another contributing factor is that a lot of people are daily readers and have a familiarity of association with members here and tend not to be so formal as the situation would normally dictate...While bad grammar does grate the nerve, it must be taken in context if one is to be a successful communicator....In the xx number of years I've been posting I believe communication skills have improved overall, but we get a new batch to beat into submission every year....it is a thankless task, that never quite reaches its goal.... ∴ go in peace† ∴

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11/26/2017 6:19 PM

I'm with you on the profanity. I have called people out for it with good results in years past. If they get mad and leave, the problem is solved. As for poor English, gentle correction is sometimes warranted. On this forum, no one can shoot you with a gun for it. But my usual approach is to respond using the correct spelling or correct word, and using no criticism.

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Yes. It is a bit irritating to me when someone comes in with subjective criticism about the choice of word, or spelling and grammar which might be 100% correct, but makes no difference to my understanding of the accuracy of the message.

I didn't have any trouble with 'epitaph' - I thought it was quite good - especially in a comment on the 'correctness of communicating things to people.

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11/27/2017 1:32 AM

Crimony, ronseto!

Truly, I have a difficult time seeing the problem. I can easily discern what posters are trying to say in about 95% of posts.

Even with crappy spelling and punctuation like posts made by posters like phoenix911 (much of which in his case is due to using a mobile device), I can still understand what he is saying, and I have given up on trying to correct him. He has my respect.

You might think of modifying your own writing by breaking up your one paragraph here into several one or two line paragraphs. It makes it more readable.

I just don't see this issue as important enough to start a thread on, IMHO.

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Criminy.

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11/27/2017 11:02 PM

I believe that good spelling is obtained mostly through reading - seeing words over and over again. Phonetics plays a part also, as does etymology.

In my defense, I have seen that word precicely once - in a Far Side cartoon . It was spelled the way I spelled it in the post you replied to.

That being said, thanks for the correction - now, I don't have to take the name of my God in vain again!

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11/28/2017 7:18 AM

depends on the environment...

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My late father used to say "Crimey" as an expression of surprise - a combination of crikey and blimey.

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precicely--Interesting spelling for precisely!

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Man - this is a free-for-all now!

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As long as there's no acrimony, we're OK!

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11/30/2017 6:33 PM

I too can understand what the 95% of the posters are saying. It's the other 5% that I have a problem with. I agree with you about breaking up my paragraphs. Is this an issue important enough to post a thread about? Probably not as it will probably fall on deaf ears by some, but not on all ears. But, it has to be said as silence on a topic such as English tends to condone it's misuse.

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......its misuse (not it's).

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Yes, the days of good English has went......

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Fortunately, we have some members here that take the time and point out the grammatical errors and misspellings...

The reason, I believe or for the most part,... is a hurried reply. The alternative is just plane, plain laziness. But its more likely both.

But for most,... it all comes down to just getting the basic essence of their argument across. And leave it that most members can extrapolate it at its intended meaning. Still a bad habit.

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But its it's more likely both. (short for it is)

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Thanks,... I did come to an opinion on the reason why it is,... This is based on my experience.

I used to keep a very detailed log that comprised of notes during the day... almost a to do list. These notes were hand written and truncated. This wasn't the start for me, what I believed started the down fall.

It was the integration of 'Spell Check' in our word processors and the subsequence dependency of it. And what I feel is the natural tendency of always taking the easy way (lazy).

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I don't know whether Spellcheck would pick it up, as its for "of it" is OK. Grammar check ought to.

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