Revolutionary New Technology Or The S.O.S.

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GENIE™ (Generating Electricity by Nondestructive Interference of Energy)

Lots of pages, pdf files, video, etc.

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Wow!!! Now that's big news!!!

edit the link, remove the /pdf = it works

Thanks, aurizon!

mumbo jumbo zero point energy, casimir effect, yada yada yada.

Hey Stirling Stan. I found the patent application, Solid State electrical generator, to rid myself of the mystery. It's actually rather interesting. Also, easy to design around the claims. The initial attempt is to overcome the counter emf (and thus mechanical resistance) of generating power by moving the flux of permanent magnets with a lesser input of alternating current. But more interesting to me is a different question that arises. If you bend the flux of a permanent magnet with an electro-magnet and then shut off the power to it, at what speed does the pm flux arrive at its natural state while sweeping a coil of wire?

REALLY GOOD QUESTION!!!

Can you post a ling to that document or do you have it to share?

You can go to the USPTO website, search under "public pair", for the document number 11/336,337. Inventor's name is Gunderson.

Is that in some way related to US200613971, also by Gunderson? That one appears to be a magnetic transformer coupling to varying external magnetic fields, incorporating fixed permanent magnets, with optional resonance. At second sight (no, I'm not talking about psychics) it doesn't look a particularly effective way of doing the job - but that is not necessary to obtain a patent*. No indication is given of how you might obtain efficient coupling to any sensible source of electromagnetic energy.

*The patent office would, however, have thrown out any reference to using 'zero point energy'

Poor designs that do very little if anything.

In this case, at the speed of decaying magnetic flux of the electromagnet.

If you ask what is the propagation speed of a magnetic wave, than the answer is c for vacuum.

Stirling Stan,

I went to MPI's web site and browsed around. I found some "Poor Science" in their claims. For example:

"Magnetic Power, Inc. (MPI) has successfully tested a proof-of-concept prototype for a new kind of electrical power generator, based upon physical principles allowing for operation at greater than 100 percent efficiency."

Now that statement as we all know is more than 100% BS

"Magnetic Power Modules are being designed that operate continuously, without fuel, extracting electricity by converting an abundant, renewable energy source that exists everywhere in the universe."

There is nothing that exists "everywhere in the universe". Not gravity which is what they are hinting at.

Mark Goldes had another BS company;

Room Temperature Superconductors Inc.

Where he said they were going to make polymer based super conductors. Never happened!

His Research Scientist is named as Lee Felsenstein. Mr Felsenstein has been around Silicon Valley ever since graduating from University of California at Berzkley with a BSEE. His reputation is that of a "Self Promoting Dilettante".

Neither of the principals in MPI can be considered scientists and they both have rather vague backgrounds and no history of developing any products.

So given this, my vote would be to put this into the "SCAM File".

Oh, dear! Doesn't this sound familar... I will give them a few points for web site design.

At least "Orbo" had pretty pictures to look at. he.. he...

My own thought experiments in this regard tell me that it is analogous to a spring and that it takes as much energy to offset the spring as you get back when you remove the offsetting force. I wish I could see how that were wrong because of course I wish to be the richest man in the world but I just can't see a way around it and it would explain why they don't have a greater than unity device. Basically what you get is a relaxation oscillator. I don't see them removing the resistance that must occur when power is taken out of the system.

While they haven't reached over-unity, they compare their device to one that was successful - the transistor! By comparison, and siting a precedent they must be correct!!! And while they haven't reach over-unity yet, they're sure to do so, with this reasoning!

I don't know about you, but my Piggy bank is getting cracked tonight!!!

Hey the can claim to have a successful marketing effort. I'm with Bill Hicks on the marketing thing: "I you are in marketing....kill yourself. You are Satan's little helpers, scourge of the earth."

Commercial realm: marketing

Industrial/Government: public relations

Military: perception management (and the most accurate descriptor)

For more interesting information on public relations, check out George Creel on Wiki

You can learn about how to "engineer consent" from the "bewildered herd".

Remember the original question Guys that you were asked to answer which was:-

"Is this solid science or mumbo/jumbo?"

Let me say that it is not solid science, so in fact it is Mumbo Jumbo!!!

How can you be so sure that it isn't jumbo/mumbo!!!

I am sure that it is mumbo jumbo.....did you not read my other post carefully enough?

What about gumbo? Yum!!!

...of course, I forgot Gumbo!! Silly me!!

Thanks for reminding me.

Oh the promise of free energy, it is a common theme.

I think, unlike them, I'm going to let "incomplete theory" stop me from getting excited. Mess marketing may not give us the best, but at least it gives us very little, From Teslas' alternating current vs Edison's use of DC thanks to marketing mainly about those nasty EMF's, to Betamax, Apple computers, DVD +/-, MFM vs RLL, ZIP vs Syquest, Windows vs OS2. Who cares which is better, just who can convince the dolts to invest the money.

Here, the biggest over-unity production they are expecting is in the collection end of the marketing. Marketing is Job One against the masses.

Rich

I am inclined to agree with Andy Germany.

In that video, Lee dissociates himself from that small group working on the generator and say: "They say..." whatever.

I'm with the majority.

So far as I understand, quantum-mechanical "zero point energy" is defined as the "lowest possible energy that a quantum-mechanical system can possess". If you remove this energy, the energy of the original system would become lower - which means it wasn't the "lowest possible" in the first instance. Therefore, either the articles do not mean "zero point energy" as usually defined by quantum physicists, or it's mojbu mbouj**.
*= confused mumbo jumbo

I couldn't find an alternative technical description that made any sense to me. What did make sense were postings from the "Aesop Institute & Magnetic Power Inc" last year asking for "funding to bridge a temporary gap".

I'm not able to judge for certain if these people actually have something but are not in a position to talk about it yet, or if they are deluded, or if this is a scam. However, I would definitely need to see the colour of their physics before showing them the colour of my money.

Fyz

I'll 2nd, 3rd & 4th that.

I don't pretend to know everything ............ ok ok .... maybe i do, but I'm thinking it leans toward bull#@!*. But i will hold my final opinion for future information. Gravity keeps things down only until something comes along to lift them up.

Why don't you all stop wasting your employer's time and get back to work.

I am an extraterrestrial. Monitoring the activities of humans is my job.

It's because secretly we are all French!

Sounds a bit like "Creamed chipped beef on toast" to me.

Cryptic humor, gotta love it!

Couldn't agree more.

I am leaving this Blog after this post.

I am amazed that:-

a) so many people get taken in with this stuff (....there is one born every minute?)

b) that the "perpetrators" cannot make a better case for their scams..

I guess that there are enough a) as above, for them not to want to bother too much for the b) above.......!!!!

If I was a criminal, I reckon I could do a better job.....as anyone on CR4 could also do....

This perhaps best describes that is is in fact "mumbo-jumbo"

Excerpted from their own site!

"Magnetic Power, Inc. (MPI) has successfully tested a proof-of-concept prototype for a new kind of electrical power generator, based upon physical principles allowing for operation at greater than 100 percent efficiency. While the efficiency of this prototype is low, its performance under load indicates that the mechanism in operation is insensitive to loading and power output may thus be improved to exceed breakeven."

In other words: We think it can work but if we rip off enough people by getting them to believe it actually works then we'll be rich enough to not give a hoot anymore.

http://www.lhup.edu/%7EDSIMANEK/museum/unwork.htm

I must admit it is a nice looking technical website, but the free energy information given really doesn't seem to be enough to suck the average Joe-Six Tooth in (a bit too complex, not NEARLY enough pretty pictures, etc). Its almost like it is aimed at a different target market . Anyway, finding a qwerk (or possible qwerk) in a law or reaction is a LOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG way from actually producing something useful. The information on the site doesn't exactly inspire me either), mentions of free energy, magnet generators they design and (will sell soon) that REALLY DO WORK, and the good old "zero point energy" and free energy from somewhere (but not here). <shakes head>

I still like Steorn. Got to love the fairly unique way they handled it. Pity about the demonstrations (but hey, what did you expect). I would have thought that they would have come up with some better excuses before hand on why the prototypes failed shortly after they were started.

TANSTAAFL!