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100HZ signal production

10/20/2007 10:51 AM

One electromotor serviceman who worked in a small workshop needed an ac power supply with 100HZ frequency.

He knew that in synchronous generator, if the magnetic flux of the field system is distributed perfectly sinusoidal around the air gap, then e.m.f generated in each full-pitched armature coil will be sinusoidal completely.

He had an old and small 50HZ generator. He decided to use it for 100HZ signal producing.

For this purpose, he changed standard distributed windings of armature that located in stator slots. Also he connected one electronically mid-pass filter which tuned with 100HZ frequency in generator output.

The output voltage of generator was not sinusoidal and it is distorted by new space flux distortion. He had a lot of harmonics in output stage of generator, but he never observed 100HZ signal in filter output.

He more and more tried and changed the stator winding distribution frequently, but he couldn't to produce purposed signal.

Why? Why couldn't he?

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MSJ

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/20/2007 11:39 PM

I would have varnished the stator with high strength with epoxy, cured it, changed the beariings to high speed bearings abd operated it at twice the speed.

It will then make 100Hz sine wave AC if it made 50Hz sinewave before.

The epoxy and balance is to keep wire in slots at high speed. the new bearings, same, for highs peed.

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/23/2007 6:55 AM

Perhaps, but why the technique of serviceman is not correct?


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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/23/2007 7:14 AM

The machine was designed to run at a certain speed and make 50Hz power. Trying to maintain that speed and doubling the number of poles the stator or rotor has might not work. This is a complex task and he may have done it wrong

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/21/2007 12:04 PM

Is the generator single or three phase?

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/22/2007 8:05 AM

Three phase

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/24/2007 4:07 PM

My reply:
Other than pure sine wave have harmonics; but keep in mind it depends that Even or Odd
harmonics are in the distorted wave-form
Square & Triangular waveforms have only one of the even or odd harmonics, I donot remember. Fourier Analysis can reveal it.
So filter may pass such harmonics if those are there in waveform.

However by doubling the speed of course will produce 100 Hz if the machine can withstand such speed.

Not the speed & Bearings may help to withstand but only for TEST-RUN & Structure may give-up at that speed.

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/27/2007 11:37 AM

Thank you very much DEAR HAAGEE ,we can add as follows:

According to electromagnetic laws, the curl of electrical field (E) must be zero, for the circulation is zero, and the curl of magnetic field (H) is not zero, however; its circulation per unit area is the current density by Ampere's circuital law.Therefor in all magnetic systems, if some magnetic flux lines export from a surface of one volume of space, then same flux lines import to that volume via its other surfaces.

It means, for mathematic function of magnetic flux we can write: f(-x) = f(x) that named odd function.

Also according to Fourier analysis, each periodical odd function can be written with the sum of odd harmonic elements. So the serviceman can never produce even harmonic flux ( 100HZ,200HZ,…) in generator gap.

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Re: 100HZ signal production

10/29/2007 8:38 AM

quote " It means, for mathematic function of magnetic flux we can write: f(-x) = f(x) that named odd function." quote

That sentence shall be corrected as follows:

It means, for mathematic function of magnetic flux we can write: f(-x) = - f(x) that named odd function. Also because of core symmetrical construction, the flux function can be written by f ( x ) = f ( L – x ) where 2L is the function period.

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