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What is the required straightness of an ice skate blade?

01/29/2008 1:16 PM

I have a pair of ladies figure skates, entry level.

Does anybody know the straightness requirement for the blade? I know I can take the skate to a shop and ask but I am more interested in the number (i.e. blade shall be flat within 1mm ).

I have noticed that the blade is attached to the boot with rivets at the front. The blade is attached to the heel of the boot with screws. Why the different types of attachment hardware?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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01/29/2008 3:32 PM

I don't know...
But I'd guess if it looks straight when you peer down it, that's fine. 1mm would be a huge error. The human eye is remarkably accurate and was doubtless good enough for the people who first made skates, arrows and the myriad of other devices than man has made.
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01/29/2008 3:59 PM

Because they can get the necessary tooling in to the shoe to attach the blades with rivets in the front. Rivets would have more holding force through the sole then short screws into it. Plus no skater wants screws sticking into their foot. The heel is thick enough to hold the screws and more of a problem to run rivets all the way through.

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01/30/2008 10:06 AM

Great answer Ozzb. Also a great signature. I might steel it.

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01/29/2008 4:47 PM

I heard a story over the weekend about prehistoric ice skating on the frozen lakes of northern Europe. They just used animal horns that they stood on - and they pushed themselves along with a stick, gondolier-like. So, I'm guessing that absolute straightness is not a requirement.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18447880

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01/29/2008 11:26 PM

Thin soles, rivets. Thick, resilient heels, screws. Simple.

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01/29/2008 11:28 PM

Are you talking about the blade? or the blade edges?

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01/30/2008 1:56 AM

Hi Rick

If I remember correctly my Ice Hockey blades were not straight at all. They had a slight curve to them and honing them before a match was a very caring procedure. We all had our own style so a number was never asked for. I suppose every body has a different point of pressure on ice. Can't prove my point were I am but if I would put on some boots again I would have a close look at the blade. Ky.

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01/30/2008 8:34 AM

I love the simple and straight forward answers. Thanks to everyone who replied.

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01/30/2008 9:21 AM

I do not do much ice skating so I cannot answer aboout the blade, but I am a roller skater and do my own plate to boot mounting. Rivets are used in the front of the sole because they are cheap. If you want a quality mounting, there are special flat head screws designed specially for this purpose which should be available at any roller or ice rink. The head of the screw sinks into the sole, and causes no discomfort. As for the heel, if a wood type screw has been used to go diectly into the heel material, this is also the cheap way. The quality way is to drill all the way through the heel and use a longer version of the special screws to secure the plate. On the plate side use a nut with a star washer to prevent the nut from comming off. After mounting I grind the end of the screw flush with the nut. Some people just clip the screw off with a pair of daigonal snips, but this leaves a sharp edge to get cut on and makes it hard to remove the nut if I want to change boots.

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01/31/2008 8:33 PM

An ice skate figure blade needs to be flat within about 0.2mm,as the grinding machine which creates the hollow ground edge must keep the hollow central on the blade. Rumour has it that Torville and Dean (famous British ice dancers) could tell if the edges of the blade height differed by more than 0.002mm. I'll not bore you with how the sharpening is done.(Thesis on request).

On the ice the blade flexes considerably but as only a small part is in contact with the ice due to the 'rocker' you never feel this.

Screws are used in skates heels as the heel is very thick and unsuitable for rivets,you would need rivets 30mm long.Rivets are used as others have said for the sole where the material is only about 8mm thick.Rivets are more reliable than screws as they don't drop out when the screw or sole rots,but don't allow any adjustment of the blade position.

Don't be misled into thinking you need super skates,the boots are often not flexible enough for the skater not trying dirty great jumps,and restrict the slight flexing needed to perform most manoeuvres.

Better skates use screws throughout to secure blade to boot.Fitting blades is done using only three screws in the slotted blade holes,and adjusting the position until the skater is comfortable skating a straight line.When the position is optimised the rest of the screws are put in the countersunk holes. Frankly it doesn't make all that much difference but the skater benefits from the feeling that they are adjusted just for them. The blade usually ends up along the centre line of sole and heel anyway, and you get used to the position during the breaking in process of the boots.

I hope you enjoy your skating.

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01/31/2008 11:38 PM

Great answer! Are you an ice skater? I have roller skated most of my life including dance and some other artistic forms. Having moved from California to the frozen Northeast, I find myself with the opportunity to skate on ponds on occasion. I tried sharpening some skates with a die grinder using a 1/4dia spherical mounted stone. From your information I can see that this will not be good enough. Any suggestions for a simple aparatus that a guy with a machine shop at his disposal could make? I have some ideas, but there is nothing like doing it right the first time.

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02/01/2008 6:10 AM

Hi,yes I did a bit of ice and roller dance.Despite modern technology the best skate sharpeners are very simple.

A flat piece of gauge plate about 800 x 300 min 6mm thick mounted on a base to prevent flexing and ground flat to about .025mm. A big surface plate would be even better if you've got one. A pink or white aloxite wheel 150mm diam 10mm thick on a vertical spindle or a bench grinder suitably modified mounted rigidly on the plate back edge centrally the wheel edge being around 100 mm above the surface plate.A diamond wheel dresser mounted on a pivot to create a convex surface on the wheel of 6mm radius,but preferably adjustable.

A jig consisting of a piece of gauge plate 250 x 150 mm,an upright web of 100mm or so a horizontal flat plate 100 x 20 and a matching top plate with screws to attach.

The skate is clamped between the top plates,the screws having various positions to clear the blade pillars on different skates,so the blade is perfectly parrallel to the surface plate,and the centre of the blade exactly on the centre of the grinder wheel.Commercial machines have a sort of vertical cross slide on which the grinder spindle is mounted to facilitate centring on different thicknesses of blades.

The jig is offered to the wheel with a left right motion just to kiss the blade at left centre and right,to confirm that the wheel and blade centre are coincident.If the 'witness' marks are not right you must shim the blade to correct.Graphite powder on the surface plate will give a velvety feel to the sliding motion.

You then proceed with a left right motion along the whole length of the blade starting at the back end and lifting off just before the toe rake,taking only a few tenths off each pass until the new edge is complete,more art than science.The profile or rocker is maintained visually by following the edge where the plating stops!!The blade must not colour as it is carbon steel and any heat will ruin the hardness.The edge is hardened for about 5mm by flame and quench.

There are tables for different radii of hollow for weight and discipline,down to flat for ice hockey goalies.

I could bore for Scotland on this subject as I have made and repaired machines and tried all sorts of different radii myself but no special sharpening could make me a really good skater.

Instructors can demonstrate jumps and moves on chipped battered blades that resemble the animal bones referred to,you will know that the shore hardness choice can give you a better feel but its really down to sheer ability.When youve got the best tackle perfectly adjusted then you have no excuses and its really only your effort that

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I'll take and send a photo of a sharpening machine,a pictures worth a thousand words.

Happy skating.

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02/01/2008 6:14 AM

Instructors can demonstrate jumps and moves on chipped battered blades that resemble the animal bones referred to,

Ain't that the truth... There is a huge industry selling new expesive golf clubs to guys who just can't tell the difference...whereas Tiger W could doubtless play fine with a couple of battered old clubs from the last century.

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02/01/2008 9:07 AM

I must say I am quite impressed with the depth of knowledge with regard to this subject. Thanks for the input. It has been very helpful.

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02/02/2008 1:17 AM

Go to the local rink (recommended) or sporting goods shop, spend a few dollars and get them sharpened on a purpose-built machine. You will then have a chance to get a good look at the set-up, as well as know how it feels to skate on a properly sharpened blade. If you are an occasional skater, that plus the occasional application of a (manual) skate sharpening stone may be all you need for years.

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02/02/2008 4:20 PM

That would be a great solution if it were only for myself. I live in a rural area with lots of ponds and lakes and lots of friends who skate on them. We're talking piles of skates here. If I can build a simple machine, which I have the capability of doing, I will share it with others. The nearest ice rink is about an hour and a half away. On a pond it is easy to find yourself skating over a rock and wiping out the edge of the skate.

For me that is an issue beccause as an expert roller skater who occasionaly ice skates, I have a tendency to try things that maybe I shouldn't as a beginner on ice.

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02/03/2008 4:38 PM

Hi Garyceng,photos of blade sharpeners as promised.

No photo of the skate holder for the red machine.

Best regrinds,Oldeng.

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