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Unsung Heroes of Science: Who Would You Want to Meet?

02/05/2008 2:01 PM

Hi folk, thought this exercise would drum up some good banter amongst the visitors of CR4.

Who, from the past or present, world of science ( in a as broad as necessary interpretation) would you like to meet and why?

I would like to point out we all like to talk to Albert for all sorts of reasons, all perfectly valid and correct, but I was hoping to keep this thread reserved for the less likely of nominees and would urge people to come up with unsung heroes or forgotten contributors of science.

I will start and would like to meet Augusta Ada Byron.

The reason is that this lady contributed to the development of the analytical engine in a way that would probably have stalled the entire process if she were prevented from having done so.

She wrote the very first computer program 150 years before computers were invented. The analytical engine was, undoubtedly, the worlds first attempt to automate repetitive tasks even if it did not fully work. Ada's work however was largely unrecognised until later,100 years after her death in 1852, she got the recognition for her work and the world came to know this truly intelligent and imaginative lady for the scientist she was. the first computer programming language, ADA, was named after her in recognition of her work. She was a true visionary especially when you realise that woman were not supposed to engage in these pursuits which were solely reserved for men. Her background and highly influential contacts made it possible for her to break the mould.

One question I would have liked to have asked her is what she thought this machine would have done for the industrial revolution and its pace? Given that the revolution already completely changed the way we lived, what would a computer have done for the people living then and how does she think this could have affected our progress. This has always been an interest of mine anyway as some people argue the Victorians must have had help in some form or another as the sheer bulk of the calculation needed for some of the inventions were simply too much for the time frame in which they were performed. I am not clever enough to argue either way but it just stuck in my mind ever since.

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02/05/2008 2:44 PM

Well electricty changed the world, and I for one as a turbomachinery engineer would love to go back in time and meet Charles Parsons...

"Sir Charles Algernon Parsons, O.M. (13 June 1854 – 11 February 1931) was a British engineer, best known for his invention of the steam turbine. He worked as an engineer on dynamo and turbine design, and power generation, with great influence on the naval and electrical engineering fields. He also developed optical equipment, for searchlights and telescopes.

Born in London, he was the youngest son of the famous Irish astronomer William Parsons, 3rd Earl of Rosse and photographic pioneer Mary Fields Rosse. He attended Trinity College, Dublin and St. John's College, Cambridge, graduating from the latter in 1877 with a first-class honours degree in mathematics. He then joined the Newcastle-based engineering firm of W.G. Armstrong as an apprentice, an unusual step for the son of an earl; then moved to Kitsons in Yorkshire where he worked on rocket powered torpedoes; and then in 1884 moved to Clarke, Chapman and Co., ship engine manufacturers near Newcastle, where he was head of their electrical equipment development. He developed a turbine engine there in 1884 and immediately utilised the new engine to drive an electrical generator, which he also designed.

In 1889, he founded C. A. Parsons and Company in Newcastle to produce steam turbines to his design. In 1894 he regained certain patent rights from the Clarke, Chapman company. He subsequently founded the Parsons Marine Steam Turbine Company in Newcastle." From Wikipedia

I wonder if he had any idea what eletricty would mean to the world...

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02/05/2008 2:56 PM

All people of that standing and inteligence have their reasons to build what they build or invent. I am sure he knew exactly what it would mean for the world.

I am not so sure if any of these people we will come up with fully understood what their invention or discoveries would mean in the long run to let's say, warfare.

We always have had a tendency to utilise something good for something very bad. The fact that war always increases the rate at which inventions are made proofs we are flawed by design.

Good choice, I heard a story about the turbine inventing days whereby in oone of the initial tests the turbine was gathering speed and kept going and going and going until all personel fled the factory except for Mr Parsons. He knew it would settle at whatever high RPM and stabilise. I would have loved that thrill of a first ride, must have been exiting.

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02/05/2008 4:50 PM

FYI - Some of science's unsung heroes are profiled in CR4's "Great Engineers and Scientists" blog. Personally, I'd like to meet Frank J. Sprague, the father of electric traction, and ask him if he's dissapointed with our relative lack of progress when it comes to electric cars.

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02/06/2008 3:02 AM

Darwin. No contest. Went against his own personnel belief's, and turned the world the right way up!

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02/06/2008 1:39 PM

Oe word says it all

Tesla

Edison was a plodding hack compared to ikola Tesla

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02/06/2008 1:51 PM

It would with out a doubt be Nicola Tesla born 1856 and was demonstrating radio control in 1895. As you can see my avatar is the Wardenclyffe tower. I am a firm believer that the Tunguska accident was caused by the "dooms day machine" or the Wardencliffe tower. He spanked Edison, and made Westinghouse a millionaire. Most if the electrical devices in use today are based on his work, from a gas discharge bulb to our cell phones( operational in 1899). I am sure the "father of lighting" could be a great asset, again, with our technology we have now, and he could remain in the private sector (not government controlled) we could all have electric cars and and wireless power to our homes.I am not sure if I have the space to even begin a discussion on the free etheric power that he had began to harness. I think a good two day interview would to the trick!

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02/06/2008 2:21 PM

I was going to say Tesla but I'll throw in Wallace Carothers. His influence on polymer science cannot be over-stated.

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02/06/2008 2:32 PM

I just thought of another, George Washington Carver. being from the south myself I must give credit where credit is due.105 food recipes from peanuts, plus the over 100 items for industrial use ( not to mention gasoline) all from peanuts. I had to do a report back in high school on him and truly could not learn enough about him.

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02/06/2008 3:48 PM

Hi Gang!

I would like to go back and meet Murphy...and KILL him!

OK That's just a joke. My real choice would be Leonardo Da Vinci.

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02/08/2008 3:07 AM

I vote for Leonardo too.

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02/06/2008 3:54 PM

Nikola Tesla, hands down. I would love to pick his brain about the unified theory he had supposedly worked out, and also find out about his electric car apparatus.

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02/06/2008 6:10 PM

Richard Feynman! Brilliant scientist, original thinker, inspiring teacher, manic jokester. He was unendingly curious, cracked safes, played bongo drums, collected stamps, partied hard. I'm seriously upset that I shared the planet with the man for decades and never met him. Excellent reading: Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman by Feynman, Leighton, & Hutchings.

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02/06/2008 8:21 PM

Buckminster Fuller, Bucky, Dymaxion car

The links explain his importance to modern design, engineering & math better than I could ever hope to.

He foresaw the need to treat the planet in engineering terms as a system.

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02/06/2008 11:16 PM

Tesla for sure, (we share the same birthday) but I would want to be his manager. Knowing what I now know he would never have died in poverty. Edison and Westinghouse may have though. The temptation to buy penny stocks would be overwhelming.

All of the mentioned would be great. Albert would not like my bringing up entanglement.

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02/07/2008 5:01 PM

GOOD DAY

The person I would love to meet is Mr. Spock. I purchased the first pc sold in this town a Commodor VIC20 back in 1980. There were no preprogramed systems like we have today with Microsoft Pcs, everything had to be written by hand in "basic". I learned to write programs and had the language memorized and was working on a "LOGIC" program when all other pc's were being introduced. I actually gave my little VIC20 away because I never thought computers would catch on.

I love logical thinking because it is so non-abstract, cut to the chase black and white type thinking. Where are all the great thinkers of today?

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02/07/2008 6:36 PM

Scary but I think I agree. I have learned everything I know from actually doing it. Wow!! I'm scared to say anything else. How weird is that.

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02/08/2008 4:51 PM

I think gabrielle emilie du chatelet would be interesting to be acquainted with. Smart, wealthy, slutty and hot on a level that occurs maybe once inevery 1,000,000,000 women. An amplified verion of the best combination of Britney Spears, Paris Hilton and Marie Curie. She is the first documented to recognize E~mv2.

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02/10/2008 5:21 AM

I agreed with you wholehartedly untill you compared her to Britney?????


Sorry but you can only feel sorry for her and after that maybe laugh a lot

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02/11/2008 11:47 AM

I am sure you could come up with some others for comparison, I just utilized the two semi attractive (not uber attractive) women i saw in the news who have alot of papparazzi notability. Britney has some nice sexy physical attributes that would improve Paris, nose, ass, physical conditioning, musculature, etc.. Neither Paris or Britney has any mental/psychological attributes that are worth anything. This would all rely on Marie Curie. Plus, she had a certain level of fame or note-worthiness during her life. She wasn't like a super model, just apparently very sexy and good looking, any females too attractive would be a little over the top for comparison.

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02/09/2008 10:04 PM

I'm amazed! Not an Einstein, an Oppenheimer, a Planck, a Direc, a Feynman, or a Teller in the group?

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02/09/2008 10:38 PM

See the question for Albert, and #11 for Feynman.

I'd like to take Einstein a TI 85 solar calculator. and like I said ask him about entanglement.

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02/10/2008 5:14 AM

That is a good idea and it is a valid question, what would he have done with a modern calculator?

No end to the speculations as to what he would have found out I guess.

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02/10/2008 5:12 AM

I was hoping for unsung heroes so we could all broaden our horizons a bit.

No point getting stuck at Einstein, we know he was brilliant and nobody will deny that. He got the recognition for it and the whole world knows about him and his work. What I would have liked here was if people knew about some obscure scientist that remained largely unknown and maybe not recognised for his or her work so that we all could find out about this and learn.

Sorry but I am no "cliche" man I am afraid so I like to hear about the underdogs of science

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02/10/2008 6:09 AM

Sorry! Unsung heroes? professor Magnus Pike! Taught a whole load of kids to appreciate science!

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02/10/2008 6:32 AM

Yes, YES... that is the spirit.

He most definetely sounds like my kind of guy. Thanks

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02/11/2008 9:55 AM

Sometimes we cannot see the forest for the trees . Those of us in the USA at one time or another has picked up book or a T.V. show of Mr. Wizard. Don Herbert, he kinda taught us all the "cool" part of science. How boring was it in middle school and the first part of high school in science class. But Mr. Herbert made it cool, we were able to use some of his experiments in our class. that made it fun. I am sure when everyone reflects they will see at one point or another they tried something that he did in a book or on T.V.I hope this stirs memories for all.

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02/11/2008 12:46 PM

I will start from the bottom and work up.

"The plumber prrotects the health of the world." With that note, first on my list is the inventor Sir Thomas Crapper. Imagine any large city without flush toilets. I need to say no more.

Second on my list is Dr. John Gorrie, inventor of mechanical ice making for the purpose of air conditioning in the 1840's.

Third on the list is the Wright Brothers for there contributions to flying.

There are many other fasinating heroes of science and technology I would love to have a conversation with. We all " . . . stand on the shoulders of giants."

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02/12/2008 10:32 AM

I will start from the bottom and work up.

Oooooh! You are awful! But I like you!

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02/13/2008 1:10 AM

Yes my humor is pretty BAD. So is my breath.

If you can't laugh at yourself and share some humor, life is too dull. So share a chuckle with the advice.

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02/12/2008 3:03 PM

Good to hear from you, Ried. Thomas Crapper was featured, in a roundabout way, in a recent story about World Toilet Day.

The Wright Brothers received an overly short biography here, but the ensuing discussion about who "invented" manned flight helped to make up for that shortcoming.

I had not heard of Dr. John Gorrie, but will profile him in the "Great Engineers and Scientists" blog. I don't want push that blog in a way that detracts from the conversation here, but we will do our best to profile all of the "unsung heroes of science" that CR4ers identify.

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02/12/2008 10:37 AM
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02/12/2008 1:12 PM

Hey, I like that guy! 'Specially as I nearly ran him over last year! He's a big bikelist, on a cycling holiday in my stamping ground, unfortunately, those roads happen to be my favorite's!

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02/12/2008 2:41 PM

You can STILL meet him you know, he ain't dead yet. You better be quick though as I think plbmack is after him

Good choice as he is a very interesting man with a real personality as well.

Another from our time and still kicking is Sir Robert Winston. I would love to have lunch with him but I better prepare some talking material before hand.

A real hero to me is not that obscure but I would definitely want to meet up with him (and his widow) is Carl Sagan. This man is the reason I look up at the sky each night and just wonder......

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02/12/2008 3:03 PM

How about our own Jorrie & Mac, they've been having the most wonderful exchange for days

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02/12/2008 3:32 PM

We can all learn from Jorrie, and I don't just mean in the most obvious way.

Has anybody ever met anybody anywhere who was this polite and precise about every aspect of his conversations? The man deserves a medal for that alone and I mean that whole heartedly.

Here we have an original poster who:

1) always answers politely and to the point.

2) gives corrections without ever making it sound like you were wrong.

3) reads all the other posts.

4) puts his hands up when found wrong (which is not often)

5) freely gives advise and keeps doing that.

Probably some more could be added but there is really no need. The man reinvented forum rules if ever there where any.

Jorrie, hat off to you my friend.

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02/13/2008 7:42 PM

Hear, hear!!

And besides all that, his stuff is beautifully written. I hereby declare today, Feb 13th, to be International Jorrie Day!

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